General Election 2015

[Gandalf]

If Danny Alexander and many of the Scottish Lib Dems go, I don't see why Ed Balls can't be chucked out. The man's a tool.

He is a tool. Another Bilderberg politician working for globalists rather than the interests of working people. Nasty careerist slob.

[walrus]

Not involved in British politics but I will back whoever Miles is against.

[ryanman]

If Danny Alexander and many of the Scottish Lib Dems go, I don't see why Ed Balls can't be chucked out. The man's a tool.

He is a tool. Another Bilderberg politician working for globalists rather than the interests of working people. Nasty careerist slob.

Balls or Alexander?

[Gandalf]

Fair enough, Walrus. However, I don't think this election is a time for jokes. This is potentially very serious for British people. If this goes to form, then more young people will have to flee their country or else stay in servitude in workhouses. From afar it looks almost Dickensian in its wickedness.

[walrus]

Fair enough, Walrus. However, I don't think this election is a time for jokes. This is potentially very serious for British people. If this goes to form, then more young people will have to flee their country or else stay in servitude in workhouses. From afar it looks almost Dickensian in its wickedness.

Miles, you should know by now, all elections are jokes. The winners are determined by the elite long before the votes are counted.

[ryanman]

Fair enough, Walrus. However, I don't think this election is a time for jokes. This is potentially very serious for British people. If this goes to form, then more young people will have to flee their country or else stay in servitude in workhouses. From afar it looks almost Dickensian in its wickedness.

This is a nightmare Miles.

I know you can't forgive Labour but I tell you these provisional results are horrifying. I think I need to leave.

[Gandalf]

Fair enough, Walrus. However, I don't think this election is a time for jokes. This is potentially very serious for British people. If this goes to form, then more young people will have to flee their country or else stay in servitude in workhouses. From afar it looks almost Dickensian in its wickedness.

Miles, you should know by now, all elections are jokes. The winners are determined by the elite long before the votes are counted.

Yes, that's true. Also with the FPTP system, any real hope of change is unlikely. It is rigged that way and people are conned into believing their vote matters. I know that, I know swing seats are the only real element and money will typically take care of them.

Sure, but it is depressing having to sit here watching the duplicitous BBC rolling out the likes of Mandelson and listen to trolls like Nick Robinson. Yes, it is all planned and Labour did it to themselves on purpose and big business and criminal banks run things.

Yes, elections are a fraud and that is why we shouldn't respect them. Faced with two evils, faith in humanity is gone when you see so many voting for such a cruel and despicable party like the Tories. Like I say, how could you vote Labour? How could you? These Tory people must be dead inside and Labour voters must be doing it as what else can they do? Green is moral, but a wasted vote. UKIP is an alternative, but the same backers.

5 years of Tory's. Can you imagine what they are going to try and do in those first few years? Revolution is simply not going to happen with Sun readers and people so desperate they just need to pay the bills. It's horrible to think about. I grew up a scallywag, but there were no food banks. WTF is a food bank? Isn't that for disaster zones or something? 100, 000 kids homeless and no council housing remaining. WTF?

Then there are all those overseas who want to be rid of British multinationals pillaging their resources. It's not just the Brits, it's the world that is in a lot of peril. I honestly think that system is evil in so many ways and unfortunately it is looking like nothing can resist it. The people actively endorse it. I don't know what to say about that.

[Gandalf]

Fair enough, Walrus. However, I don't think this election is a time for jokes. This is potentially very serious for British people. If this goes to form, then more young people will have to flee their country or else stay in servitude in workhouses. From afar it looks almost Dickensian in its wickedness.

This is a nightmare Miles.

I know you can't forgive Labour but I tell you these provisional results are horrifying. I think I need to leave.

I'm sorry, Ryan. I'm sitting here watching it unfold and there is an ache in my heart and a little tear in my eye too. I haven't cut it or anything, but just one of those little watery things. Teer, rather than tair. Yes, this is gutting stuff, I don't think I understand people or politics at all going on all this. Scotland is awake, but the English are such a let down. FPTP needs to be abolished ASAP. Votes are being lost in this system, others have lost faith, and the rest are voting Tory! AAARGHHHH!

I know I am Mr cynical, but there is a massive part of me that wants to see the revolution, the change, the awakening, but is it even out there and does it stand a chance after 5 more years of the Tories? I don't know if there is anymore. The referendum gave the Scots hope. What hope do the English have, they have either sold out or seemingly given up. All I can say is 'fuck' which I have said a lot these last 24 hours. Fuck.

[superheavyrhun]

Paranoid claptrap @walrus. That's the kind of silly talk that Miles usually finds himself embroiled in. The main problem that we have is that there isn't enough of a politically interested population to provide an alternative to that elite. Far too many people who would rather have a barbecue than make that 200 yard walk to the polling station.

Must agree with Ryan though, this is not looking at all pretty for Labour, and we're edging close to a Tory majority which would be an absolute disaster for the country.

[Gandalf]

I think there is some truth to it though, Rhun. The media and politics and banking works hand in hand and we know who pulls the strings in those areas. It's no secret that Cameron and Blair were essentially cloned from similar DNA or that Clinton's and Bush's are the American dynasty. This stuff is reality and results prove it again and again now. The money men are deciding these elections and FPTP in the UK makes it easy for them.

Labour hasn't even tried to win this election! Look at their policies. This simply isn't even a Labour Party it just isn't. It was just hoped people could buy a little more time instead of the impending doom that will be the Tories, but even that hasn't worked. The Murdoch's, the HSBC's, the housing mythers, they have it in a bag. The elite and powerful are far more powerful than we want to acknowledge and of course they are against Mr Minimum Wage and his once every half a decade vote. He knows neither party will raise him or give him a home or give him a chance to have a family. He doesn't stand a chance. Why should he care? Is it the workhouse next? Where does it end?

[walrus]

Paranoid claptrap @walrus. That's the kind of silly talk that Miles usually finds himself embroiled in. The main problem that we have is that there isn't enough of a politically interested population to provide an alternative to that elite. Far too many people who would rather have a barbecue than make that 200 yard walk to the polling station.

Must agree with Ryan though, this is not looking at all pretty for Labour, and we're edging close to a Tory majority which would be an absolute disaster for the country.

Yes, I was half goading Miles but there is some truth in my assertions

[ryanman]

I think both Miles and Rhun have made very salient points.

I am utterly devastated tonight.

This Labour is not my Labour but fuck I at least wanted to see some movement towards a fair and equitable society but it has got worse.

[superheavyrhun]

Ed Miliband came into the leadership of the Labour Party on the back of a hefty trade union vote, but have we seen the genuine socialist policies that would really get the trade unions on board? No. The fact is, it isn't money men and shady deals that keep Labour shimmying in the middle of the road, its an attempt to draw the middle ground voters, and it clearly hasn't worked.

[superheavyrhun]

I started hitting the beers hard after that exit poll, it just seemed to be so at odds with what I want to happen that I can't see an ending I'm going to enjoy in this evening.

[Gandalf]

Yes, it is much worse than I could have imagined. I thought at least the SNP would be enough to force Milliband to behave a little better and that Labour would have more seats. But this is just too much. Like Ryan, I don't think I can sit through several hours of this moaning and using an inordinate number of expletives. It's not healthy. I am distressed about it, obviously not so much for myself, but because I know plenty of people living through that system and it just isn't right. People shouldn't be faced with suck it up or leave as an option. I think this result is essentially more of that. People have done nothing wrong, it is the system that is wrong. I need a walk, the BBC is suffocating me.