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Primo Carnera
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erics44
I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently
but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?
I don't think so
fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.
man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox
mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close
the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants
in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
erics44
I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently
but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?
I don't think so
fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.
man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox
mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close
the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants
in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough
Wow.
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TitoFan
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erics44
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
erics44
I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently
but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?
I don't think so
fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.
man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox
mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close
the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants
in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough
Wow.
not agree?
would tito have beaten lennox lewis?
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erics44
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TitoFan
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erics44
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
erics44
I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently
but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?
I don't think so
fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.
man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox
mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close
the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants
in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough
Wow.
not agree?
would tito have beaten lennox lewis?
No. Just like Ricky Hatton wouldn't have beaten John Ruiz.
But ok.... "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers."
With your ironclad argument, you've nailed the case shut. :vd:
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TitoFan
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erics44
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
erics44
I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently
but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?
I don't think so
fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.
man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox
mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close
the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants
in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough
Wow.
not agree?
would tito have beaten lennox lewis?
No. Just like Ricky Hatton wouldn't have beaten John Ruiz.
But ok....
"the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers."
With your ironclad argument, you've nailed the case shut. :vd:
I don't see anything coming back
tito wouldn't be in the top 100 heavies yet he was elite at his weight
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dark lord al
id have to say ward.
^^ pk?
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erics44
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TitoFan
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erics44
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TitoFan
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erics44
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
erics44
I see what you are saying, kov could well be the best result out of all results recently
but is beating kov twice in the last 6 years enough to make ward lb4lb, particularly when both fights were in America with 3 American judges and an American ref?
I don't think so
fair enough , but we've gone from recent to "the last 6 Years". and like I said , who is your no.1 ?
personally I think p4p is a meaningless load of horseshit that people can rate depending on what they give priority to. there are way too many different parameters to be able to say for definite. so it will always be debated.
man, I am absolutely in agreement the lb4lb stuff is bollox
mainly because you can have one fella seen as the best boxer in the world when in reality hes not even close
the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants
in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough
Wow.
not agree?
would tito have beaten lennox lewis?
No. Just like Ricky Hatton wouldn't have beaten John Ruiz.
But ok....
"the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers."
With your ironclad argument, you've nailed the case shut. :vd:
I don't see anything coming back
tito wouldn't be in the top 100 heavies yet he was elite at his weight
Hence the p4p arguments. :)
Look... the average fan gravitates a bit toward the bigger guys. But it doesn't make them "better boxers". Matter of fact, many times it's quite the opposite. Big guys know they can usually end fights with one punch. As a result, many heavyweights rely on headhunting, instead of mastering the sweet science. You look at some of these little guys and, while some like Chocolatito pack a pretty good punch, they have to be sharp boxers and combine speed with precise combinations. So to hear that "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers", it's just ludicrous. If pressed to choose, I'd say the opposite is true.
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depends how you define "better boxer"
I mean it in the way who wins is the better boxer
lb4lb is nonsense, its a way of shoe horning one fighter in as the best boxer in the world when in reality it couldn't be further from the facts
Chocolatito is a fantastic boxer, value for money, entertaining, etc etc
no where near the best boxer in the world as he wouldn't be in the top 100 middleweights
put 11 under 10 stone footballers against 11 over 10 stone footballers and the heavier team would win more often than not, which is the best team?
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Re: Ward/Kovalev 2...who wins?
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erics44
the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers, no other sport has a handicap dependent on the physicalities of the participants
in other sports, if youre not big enough youre not good enough
Which is exactly why P4P exists. Tito couldn't beat Lennox, however, if they were equal size he maybe would slaughter him, maybe not, but at an equal starting point they are both great fighters.
Could Tito beat a decent standard heavyweight though? Yes. We have evidence throughout history of naturally smaller fighters outclassing bigger ones.
Could you, Eric, beat a decent heavyweight? No. You can box but don't possess the mental/physical ability to offset a naturally bigger stronger mans advantage.
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lb4lb shouldn't be confused with which are the best boxers
and I'm about 14 stone myself now so you never know were the extra chub would take me ;D
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@erics44
The popular thing to say nowadays is that p4p is nonsense, and everyone just rolls with it. It's true that opinions on p4p lists vary wildly, and arguments are tough to defend because we're talking about hypothetical things. But as Fenster said... you take an accomplished small fighter and blow him up to heavyweight with all his physical gifts. Or.... you take a heavyweight and shrink him down to middle or welter. That's the whole intent of p4p comparisons. You take an ATG welter like Sugar Ray Leonard, and put him in with a huge heavyweight. You think Leonard has any chance? Outweighed by more than 50 pounds? Outreached by close to a foot? A punch that lands anywhere on Leonard's anatomy is going to send him reeling. Does that make Leonard an inferior boxer?
Think about it.
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nonsense is a bit harsh, you are right, it has its purpose
but it doesn't determine who are the best boxers
say the top 30 heavies would beat GGG, considering his size and weight if GGG was to come 30th in HW competition that would be an amazing achievement, but it still only makes him, at the most, 30th best boxer in the world
if there was a under 10 stone rugby league and one team dominated by miles
and there was an over 10 stone rugby league that was a lot closer
that doesn't mean the under 10 stone team is the best team
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erics44
nonsense is a bit harsh, you are right, it has its purpose
but it doesn't determine who are the best boxers
say the top 30 heavies would beat GGG, considering his size and weight if GGG was to come 30th in HW competition that would be an amazing achievement, but it still only makes him, at the most, 30th best boxer in the world
if there was a under 10 stone rugby league and one team dominated by miles
and there was an over 10 stone rugby league that was a lot closer
that doesn't mean the under 10 stone team is the best team
So you are saying it is a complement when McEnroe says Serena Williams would not be able to beat the 700th seed man in tennis because that is an achievement?
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Master
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erics44
nonsense is a bit harsh, you are right, it has its purpose
but it doesn't determine who are the best boxers
say the top 30 heavies would beat GGG, considering his size and weight if GGG was to come 30th in HW competition that would be an amazing achievement, but it still only makes him, at the most, 30th best boxer in the world
if there was a under 10 stone rugby league and one team dominated by miles
and there was an over 10 stone rugby league that was a lot closer
that doesn't mean the under 10 stone team is the best team
So you are saying it is a complement when McEnroe says Serena Williams would not be able to beat the 700th seed man in tennis because that is an achievement?
ha, I wouldn't say a compliment but its a similar situation
lb4lb (in comparison with her competition) Serena is probably better than any man
but in reality she would probly be 700th at best if she played the men
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erics44
lb4lb shouldn't be confused with which are the best boxers
and I'm about 14 stone myself now so you never know were the extra chub would take me ;D
What do you think pound for pound means?
Do you think it means Choco could give Wlad a fight? ;D
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erics44
lb4lb shouldn't be confused with which are the best boxers
and I'm about 14 stone myself now so you never know were the extra chub would take me ;D
What do you think pound for pound means?
Do you think it means Choco could give Wlad a fight? ;D
nope, that's my point
people are talking about certain boxers being the "best boxer in the world" because they are lb4lb
but they aren't they best boxers in the world
not by a long shot
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erics44
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Fenster
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erics44
lb4lb shouldn't be confused with which are the best boxers
and I'm about 14 stone myself now so you never know were the extra chub would take me ;D
What do you think pound for pound means?
Do you think it means Choco could give Wlad a fight? ;D
nope, that's my point
people are talking about certain boxers being the "best boxer in the world" because they are lb4lb
but they aren't they best boxers in the world
not by a long shot
Is it that difficult to understand that being a good boxer has nothing to do with size?
Your original statement was that "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers."
We've already shown you instances where that's simply not true.
Skill is skill. Size is size. One is independent of the other.
Leonard was one of the best boxers in history. Better than probably most if not all of the heavyweights in history.
Yet he wouldn't stand a chance in the ring against a decent heavyweight, even one who's not a good boxer.
I'm puzzled as to what the confusion still is.
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Because thinking bigger means better is absurd. Let's look at Kovalev considering joining Virgil Hunter
https://youtu.be/SCjpridYNMI
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Interesting. I could see it happening. Kovalev definitely needs a change of scenery and hunter is a good trainer. It may help him bounce back a bit faster.
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TitoFan
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erics44
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Fenster
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erics44
lb4lb shouldn't be confused with which are the best boxers
and I'm about 14 stone myself now so you never know were the extra chub would take me ;D
What do you think pound for pound means?
Do you think it means Choco could give Wlad a fight? ;D
nope, that's my point
people are talking about certain boxers being the "best boxer in the world" because they are lb4lb
but they aren't they best boxers in the world
not by a long shot
Is it that difficult to understand that being a good boxer has nothing to do with size?
Your original statement was that "the best boxers in the world are the bigger boxers."
We've already shown you instances where that's simply not true.
Skill is skill. Size is size. One is independent of the other.
Leonard was one of the best boxers in history. Better than probably most if not all of the heavyweights in history.
Yet he wouldn't stand a chance in the ring against a decent heavyweight, even one who's not a good boxer.
I'm puzzled as to what the confusion still is.
if one cricket team would beat another cricket team every time they played them then would they be better at cricket?
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great picture
and really great response, insightful
anyway, which cricket team is better, the one that won every time or the one that lost?
even if the one that lost had more skilful cricketers?
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No, hey.... you win the argument.
Nikolai Valuev was a better boxer than Sugar Ray Leonard because he's bigger.
Leonard certainly would've never beaten him in the ring, so Valuev is the better boxer.
Oh, you liked my picture?
Here's another one.
http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i...c3e3d61d_z.jpg
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TitoFan
No, hey.... you win the argument.
Nikolai Valuev was a better boxer than Sugar Ray Leonard because he's bigger.
Leonard certainly would've never beaten him in the ring, so Valuev is the better boxer.
Oh, you liked my picture?
Here's another one.
http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i...c3e3d61d_z.jpg
another really really good picture
you are really really good at pictures
its a good point you make tho, comparing leonard and valuev
its a shame isn't it that leonard wouldn't have beaten valuev, everybody loves skill, itd be nice if skill in every sport would prevail
sometimes tho its just brute strength
if it was just down to skill then we could see women playing men at a level in tennis
kids playing professional football
that sort of thing :)
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You are a numpty eric44.
They have age, weight and gender categories reason but that does not mean you can not appreciate Serena Williams, GGG and under 21 football.
Much better than watching Valuev v Ruiz box one another.
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Master
You are a numpty eric44.
They have age, weight and gender categories reason but that does not mean you can not appreciate Serena Williams, GGG and under 21 football.
Much better than watching Valuev v Ruiz box one another.
I fully appreciate it
I prefer women's tennis by miles
doesn't mean I think they are better at tennis tho, in fact I agree with JM, Williams probably wouldn't be in the top 700 men
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lb4lb tho, Williams is probably the best tennis player in the world
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I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.
If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success
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Ron Swanson
I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.
If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success
I don't think moving down in weight is relevant to the conversation
moving up and becoming HW champ would be
really think Leonard would beat Valuev?
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erics44
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Ron Swanson
I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.
If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success
I don't think moving down in weight is relevant to the conversation
moving up and becoming HW champ would be
really think Leonard would beat Valuev?
I don't think he'd do a bit of damage to him. But yes, I think he could move for 12 rounds and when he gets to his right pop in for a shot or 2 before escaping. Do that 3 or 4 times a round and win the rounds and thus the fight.
So you admit fighters have had far more success moving up in weight than down. Good, because the numbers show that comparison is not remotely close. I think it is relevant because if bigger guys are truly better the numbers would be even.
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Ron Swanson
I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.
If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success
Sasquatch would have 36 minutes in which to simply swing those long tree trunks of his, and land anywhere on Leonard. Head, body, arms, whatever.
Put them in a small ring, and Leonard stands little to no chance.
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I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.
If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success
Sasquatch would have 36 minutes in which to simply swing those long tree trunks of his, and land anywhere on Leonard. Head, body, arms, whatever.
Put them in a small ring, and Leonard stands little to no chance.
So not only are we handicapping Leonard on size we are handicapping him with a small ring too? Any other handicaps the big guy needs?
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Ron Swanson
I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.
If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success
Sasquatch would have 36 minutes in which to simply swing those long tree trunks of his, and land anywhere on Leonard. Head, body, arms, whatever.
Put them in a small ring, and Leonard stands little to no chance.
So not only are we handicapping Leonard on size we are handicapping him with a small ring too? Any other handicaps the big guy needs?
Ok.... put them on a football field for all I care. For Leonard to win, he has to land something. To land something, he has to come within reach of Sasquatch. Unless Leonard's allowed to throw stuff, which I guess he wouldn't be. Point is..... Valuev would win..... thereby "proving" eric's "brilliant" point that bigger boxers are the better boxers.
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TitoFan
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Ron Swanson
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TitoFan
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Ron Swanson
I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.
If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success
Sasquatch would have 36 minutes in which to simply swing those long tree trunks of his, and land anywhere on Leonard. Head, body, arms, whatever.
Put them in a small ring, and Leonard stands little to no chance.
So not only are we handicapping Leonard on size we are handicapping him with a small ring too? Any other handicaps the big guy needs?
Ok.... put them on a football field for all I care. For Leonard to win, he has to land something. To land something, he has to come within reach of Sasquatch. Unless Leonard's allowed to throw stuff, which I guess he wouldn't be. Point is..... Valuev would win..... thereby "proving" eric's "brilliant" point that bigger boxers are the better boxers.
Valuev is slow as dirt. Move left, when Valuev adjusts move right. Now he can't punch. Get in and get out. His slow feet and slow punches would give Leonard time. Rinse and repeat.
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Ron Swanson
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Ron Swanson
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I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.
If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success
Sasquatch would have 36 minutes in which to simply swing those long tree trunks of his, and land anywhere on Leonard. Head, body, arms, whatever.
Put them in a small ring, and Leonard stands little to no chance.
So not only are we handicapping Leonard on size we are handicapping him with a small ring too? Any other handicaps the big guy needs?
Ok.... put them on a football field for all I care. For Leonard to win, he has to land something. To land something, he has to come within reach of Sasquatch. Unless Leonard's allowed to throw stuff, which I guess he wouldn't be. Point is..... Valuev would win..... thereby "proving" eric's "brilliant" point that bigger boxers are the better boxers.
Valuev is slow as dirt. Move left, when Valuev adjusts move right. Now he can't punch. Get in and get out. His slow feet and slow punches would give Leonard time. Rinse and repeat.
Sort of like a hummingbird and a grizzly? Like that you mean?
What's the point here?
Remove Sasquatch is he's too slow for you, and substitute any other mediocre heavyweight against Leonard.
Leonard will still be 20 times the boxer the heavyweight is, but will lose..... thus appearing to prove Eric's asinine point about bigger boxers being better boxers.
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You guys are still arguing this point? Obviously bigger fighters would beat smaller fighters (to an extent anyways). That's why there are weight classes.
It's like in basketball. If you are semi athletic and are at least 7 feet tall you will probably get into the NBA even though some guy who is 5 feet tall is way more skilled.
In boxing, that's why we have p4p lists. Obviously chocolatito wouldn't beat Joshua even though he is way more skilled. That's why chocolatito is p4p ranked higher. He is more skilled. That's how boxing has worked for over 100 years. We just accept it. That is also why HWs tend to become more popular because they really end up being the fighters that could beat anybody else in the world because of their size.
With all that said, I enjoy watching smaller weights a lot more than bigger ones. IMO boxing is best from about lightweight to middleweight.
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You guys are still arguing this point? Obviously bigger fighters would beat smaller fighters (to an extent anyways). That's why there are weight classes.
It's like in basketball. If you are semi athletic and are at least 7 feet tall you will probably get into the NBA even though some guy who is 5 feet tall is way more skilled.
In boxing, that's why we have p4p lists. Obviously chocolatito wouldn't beat Joshua even though he is way more skilled. That's why chocolatito is p4p ranked higher. He is more skilled. That's how boxing has worked for over 100 years. We just accept it. That is also why HWs tend to become more popular because they really end up being the fighters that could beat anybody else in the world because of their size.
With all that said, I enjoy watching smaller weights a lot more than bigger ones. IMO boxing is best from about lightweight to middleweight.
I'm not the one who doesn't grasp the p4p concept. ;) ;)
But maybe your use of Chocolatito with Joshua will work better at illustrating the point than my use of Leonard vs. Valuev. ;)
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I agree with @Ron Swanson, Leonard would beat Valuev, absolutely no problem.
@erics44, wtf is going on in that head of yours?😂😂
