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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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ross
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smashup
@
ross produce the evidence or i'll ban you
Piss off crybaby.
Ban yourself for altering my post;D
Nobody has altered any of your posts @ross
Any evidence of your claims or are you gonna remain an annoying troll?
Apart from you...
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smashup
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ross
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erics44
never left Oz doesn't really matter, most of the fighters in the top 10 in the UK at all weights have never left England
Who do you want him to fight? Saunders, GGG, Canelo, Jacobs? any of those realistic?
I think its a wise move all in all and a half decent test up in weight
Yah he obviously has a bit of power too this Quinlan. He wiped out Geale.
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ross ...... he hardly hit him then pushed him over ;D
What the fuck! How and why is @
smashup editing other people's posts to add his own rubbish?
Ill answer the question though. Take a look at how he responded from that "push" when he tried getting up. He was wiped out!
Whoops! Out of practise, hit edit instead of quote button, it's clearly not rubbish, Geale is a spineless fighter and that's been proven before, no way that "half punch" had that effect on him and then yes he was pushed in the face then fell over, i've seen it a number of times....it's pathetic ;D
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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ross
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smashup
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ross
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smashup
@
ross produce the evidence or i'll ban you
Piss off crybaby.
Ban yourself for altering my post;D
Nobody has altered any of your posts @ross
Any evidence of your claims or are you gonna remain an annoying troll?
Apart from you...
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smashup
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ross
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ross
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erics44
never left Oz doesn't really matter, most of the fighters in the top 10 in the UK at all weights have never left England
Who do you want him to fight? Saunders, GGG, Canelo, Jacobs? any of those realistic?
I think its a wise move all in all and a half decent test up in weight
Yah he obviously has a bit of power too this Quinlan. He wiped out Geale.
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ross ...... he hardly hit him then pushed him over ;D
What the fuck! How and why is @
smashup editing other people's posts to add his own rubbish?
Ill answer the question though. Take a look at how he responded from that "push" when he tried getting up. He was wiped out!
Whoops! Out of practise, hit edit instead of quote button, it's clearly not rubbish, Geale is a spineless fighter and that's been proven before, no way that "half punch" had that effect on him and then yes he was pushed in the face then fell over, i've seen it a number of times....it's pathetic ;D
ah so providing evidence of things isn't actually beneath you
could you please also provide the video evidence of Haye pushing off on his injured leg to try and land that massive hayemaker that you was talking about.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
Did you not actually watch the fight? Every right hand he threw required his weight being pushed off his right foot. It's hard to describe to those that havent boxed competitively and you can all try and give me shit for saying that but unless you've tried to throw right hands in a bout you won't know how it feels to go through the mechanics. Maybe someone else who's boxed could comment? But in my opinion which is based on experience and the fact Haye wouldn't have had the use of his right calfs there is no way he could have balance to punch let alone push off with force to throw a right hand.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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ross
Did you not actually watch the fight? Every right hand he threw required his weight being pushed off his right foot. It's hard to describe to those that havent boxed competitively and you can all try and give me shit for saying that but unless you've tried to throw right hands in a bout you won't know how it feels to go through the mechanics. Maybe someone else who's boxed could comment? But in my opinion which is based on experience and the fact Haye wouldn't have had the use of his right calfs there is no way he could have balance to punch let alone push off with force to throw a right hand.
Ok @ross we get it, you've boxed. But so what? You were shit! Then they didn't want you as a ref. Why? Cos you knew fuck all about boxing. So you became a judge, and guess what ? You were shit!!!
Why the fuck would anyone bother listening to a word you say about the sport, you clueless fucking idiot.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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ross
Did you not actually watch the fight? Every right hand he threw required his weight being pushed off his right foot. It's hard to describe to those that havent boxed competitively and you can all try and give me shit for saying that but unless you've tried to throw right hands in a bout you won't know how it feels to go through the mechanics. Maybe someone else who's boxed could comment? But in my opinion which is based on experience and the fact Haye wouldn't have had the use of his right calfs there is no way he could have balance to punch let alone push off with force to throw a right hand.
People can do all kinds of things with a serious injury. My wife had a similar injury to what Haye had. I told her to go to the hospital and sort it out, but she thought she knew better and limped around for a few days, went to work, and tried to continue as normal. Ended up needing a pretty big operation to fix it up. Just an ordinary person. Someone like Haye, an athlete, buzzing on adrenaline and in the midst of a fight would have been able to do what he did. He did it and the evidence is out there showing the injury was genuine. You sound like a plonker talking like you are here. 'You guys don't know boxing blah, blah, blah'. Plenty of us have been around people who have had similar injuries and seen exactly what they can or can't do. Haye was throwing punches, but he wasn't generating the same kind of leverage at all. I'm not sure he was 100% to begin with.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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Gandalf
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ross
Did you not actually watch the fight? Every right hand he threw required his weight being pushed off his right foot. It's hard to describe to those that havent boxed competitively and you can all try and give me shit for saying that but unless you've tried to throw right hands in a bout you won't know how it feels to go through the mechanics. Maybe someone else who's boxed could comment? But in my opinion which is based on experience and the fact Haye wouldn't have had the use of his right calfs there is no way he could have balance to punch let alone push off with force to throw a right hand.
People can do all kinds of things with a serious injury. My wife had a similar injury to what Haye had. I told her to go to the hospital and sort it out, but she thought she knew better and limped around for a few days, went to work, and tried to continue as normal. Ended up needing a pretty big operation to fix it up. Just an ordinary person. Someone like Haye, an athlete, buzzing on adrenaline and in the midst of a fight would have been able to do what he did. He did it and the evidence is out there showing the injury was genuine. You sound like a plonker talking like you are here. 'You guys don't know boxing blah, blah, blah'. Plenty of us have been around people who have had similar injuries and seen exactly what they can or can't do. Haye was throwing punches, but he wasn't generating the same kind of leverage at all. I'm not sure he was 100% to begin with.
Jesus Christ... Do you not understand the mechanics of the Achilles? It attaches the calf to the foot. It attaches one end to the skeleton. Without that the calf muscle is only attached one end and not functioning. Yes someone could hobble around but your trying to say what you your wife does at work is akin to boxing? She's throwing her weight round on either foot trying to punch someone in the head? Give over... Some just like to argue here for the sake of it. Also, this photo evidence, take another look and where in that photo does it prove its Haye? The girl who posted it on Twitter was called out on it as in where did that photo come from because she never even said where she got it from. Doesn't even actually say it's from or of Haye, so technically she's not lying and she is where that picture originated from. Haye was also asked and he never responded either. Some people are so gullible. The week leading up to the fight Haye goes out of his way to have a photo in Munich with a surgeon, why not here? If your going to have a photo taken of your surgery to prove it happened why not get your face in the pic, anything other than just a random none identifyable pic of surgery. Why not a statement from the surgeon? Nothing... Put him on Jeremy Kyle with a lie detector;D
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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Primo Carnera
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ross
Did you not actually watch the fight? Every right hand he threw required his weight being pushed off his right foot. It's hard to describe to those that havent boxed competitively and you can all try and give me shit for saying that but unless you've tried to throw right hands in a bout you won't know how it feels to go through the mechanics. Maybe someone else who's boxed could comment? But in my opinion which is based on experience and the fact Haye wouldn't have had the use of his right calfs there is no way he could have balance to punch let alone push off with force to throw a right hand.
Ok @
ross we get it, you've boxed. But so what? You were shit! Then they didn't want you as a ref. Why? Cos you knew fuck all about boxing. So you became a judge, and guess what ? You were shit!!!
Why the fuck would anyone bother listening to a word you say about the sport, you clueless fucking idiot.
Feeble response from someone too gutless to fight:cool:
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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ross
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ross
Did you not actually watch the fight? Every right hand he threw required his weight being pushed off his right foot. It's hard to describe to those that havent boxed competitively and you can all try and give me shit for saying that but unless you've tried to throw right hands in a bout you won't know how it feels to go through the mechanics. Maybe someone else who's boxed could comment? But in my opinion which is based on experience and the fact Haye wouldn't have had the use of his right calfs there is no way he could have balance to punch let alone push off with force to throw a right hand.
People can do all kinds of things with a serious injury. My wife had a similar injury to what Haye had. I told her to go to the hospital and sort it out, but she thought she knew better and limped around for a few days, went to work, and tried to continue as normal. Ended up needing a pretty big operation to fix it up. Just an ordinary person. Someone like Haye, an athlete, buzzing on adrenaline and in the midst of a fight would have been able to do what he did. He did it and the evidence is out there showing the injury was genuine. You sound like a plonker talking like you are here. 'You guys don't know boxing blah, blah, blah'. Plenty of us have been around people who have had similar injuries and seen exactly what they can or can't do. Haye was throwing punches, but he wasn't generating the same kind of leverage at all. I'm not sure he was 100% to begin with.
Jesus Christ... Do you not understand the mechanics of the Achilles? It attaches the calf to the foot. It attaches one end to the skeleton. Without that the calf muscle is only attached one end and not functioning. Yes someone could hobble around but your trying to say what you your wife does at work is akin to boxing? She's throwing her weight round on either foot trying to punch someone in the head? Give over... Some just like to argue here for the sake of it. Also, this photo evidence, take another look and where in that photo does it prove its Haye? The girl who posted it on Twitter was called out on it as in where did that photo come from because she never even said where she got it from. Doesn't even actually say it's from or of Haye, so technically she's not lying and she is where that picture originated from. Haye was also asked and he never responded either. Some people are so gullible. The week leading up to the fight Haye goes out of his way to have a photo in Munich with a surgeon, why not here? If your going to have a photo taken of your surgery to prove it happened why not get your face in the pic, anything other than just a random none identifyable pic of surgery. Why not a statement from the surgeon? Nothing... Put him on Jeremy Kyle with a lie detector;D
Maybe my memory is failing me, but she was hobbling around pretty well and refused to go to hospital thinking it would heal. I told her she was bonkers and to get it checked pronto. Turned out I was right, it was pretty serious. You can walk around for days with such an injury and be an ordinary person. David Haye by contrast is clearly an athlete and a man that in the heat of battle felt he would land a lucky punch and weather it for 20 minutes. That he was standing upright and winging punches with no proper leverage is perfectly feasible.
You have taken to this conspiracy lark every single time so your credibility is wearing thin. You can see in the fight exactly where it tears, you can't act that Ross. Haye was not out of breath, he has injured and it seems only you cannot see it. People have provided evidence, they have cited examples, they have shown anectdotal evidence, but you won't see any of it. That's your call, but you look a bit silly on this one.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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ross
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smashup
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ross
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smashup
@
ross produce the evidence or i'll ban you
Piss off crybaby.
Ban yourself for altering my post;D
Nobody has altered any of your posts @ross
Any evidence of your claims or are you gonna remain an annoying troll?
Apart from you...
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smashup
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ross
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erics44
never left Oz doesn't really matter, most of the fighters in the top 10 in the UK at all weights have never left England
Who do you want him to fight? Saunders, GGG, Canelo, Jacobs? any of those realistic?
I think its a wise move all in all and a half decent test up in weight
Yah he obviously has a bit of power too this Quinlan. He wiped out Geale.
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ross ...... he hardly hit him then pushed him over ;D
What the fuck! How and why is @
smashup editing other people's posts to add his own rubbish?
Ill answer the question though. Take a look at how he responded from that "push" when he tried getting up. He was wiped out!
Whoops! Out of practise, hit edit instead of quote button, it's clearly not rubbish, Geale is a spineless fighter and that's been proven before, no way that "half punch" had that effect on him and then yes he was pushed in the face then fell over, i've seen it a number of times....it's pathetic ;D
Like i said nobody has altered anything you posted
Have a nice break @ross :)
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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Primo Carnera
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ross
Did you not actually watch the fight? Every right hand he threw required his weight being pushed off his right foot. It's hard to describe to those that havent boxed competitively and you can all try and give me shit for saying that but unless you've tried to throw right hands in a bout you won't know how it feels to go through the mechanics. Maybe someone else who's boxed could comment? But in my opinion which is based on experience and the fact Haye wouldn't have had the use of his right calfs there is no way he could have balance to punch let alone push off with force to throw a right hand.
Ok @
ross we get it, you've boxed. But so what? You were shit! Then they didn't want you as a ref. Why? Cos you knew fuck all about boxing. So you became a judge, and guess what ? You were shit!!!
Why the fuck would anyone bother listening to a word you say about the sport, you clueless fucking idiot.
Feeble response
from someone too gutless to fight:cool:
Show me one FACT to back up your claim? whereas we KNOW that they didn't want you as a ref, and we KNOW that you shit yourself and bottled it as a judge because YOU WROTE IT ON HERE! Although now you've probably gone in and deleted the post. You've been done again, CLOWN!
Just for you I'll finish off with a "cool" emoji. :cool:
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
I had quite a few (amateur) bouts, but luckily I never had an Achilles injury. I don't know how much it hurts, and am not sure about how the physics of the injury would affect my ability to compete.
What does seem obvious in the fight though, was that Haye couldn't get a solid stance off his right foot. In all of Haye's fights, he has been massively dependant on his right leg. His big punch is the looping right which uses his hip as a pivot, so having a solid right leg is vital. He has always been an ambush type fighter as well, circling and bringing his opponent in until he can lunge in off the right leg with the looping right. I would think the injury ended any hope of him stopping Bellew.
His corner panicked a bit too, in my opinion. The frankly amateurish wrapping of his calf, which they cut off later would have made very little difference to the injury (or any injury, to be honest). They didn't seem to give him any good advice, just saying he should stay on the ropes and keep his hands up.
Haye didnt have the nous to rethink his tactics .... understandable in the heat of the moment, but he did show he is not a true great of the ring as I think a real technician would have been able to think it through. He doesn't have a good enough left, or a solid enough boxing technique to win in another way. In retrospect, he might have tried to set Bellew up for the left by moving all his weight to his front foot and boxing more orthodoxly. He might have tried to pull off a rope a dope?
He didn't quit, in fairness, but he was facing a blown up cruiserweight who didn't carry his power up and who was seriously gassed out.
Haye was always a fantastic athlete, with good power in that right hand .... but that made things come easy to him and he never learned how to be a more complete fighter than he needed to be to blast people out early.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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ross
Did you not actually watch the fight? Every right hand he threw required his weight being pushed off his right foot. It's hard to describe to those that havent boxed competitively and you can all try and give me shit for saying that but unless you've tried to throw right hands in a bout you won't know how it feels to go through the mechanics. Maybe someone else who's boxed could comment? But in my opinion which is based on experience and the fact Haye wouldn't have had the use of his right calfs there is no way he could have balance to punch let alone push off with force to throw a right hand.
Hello, someone who's boxed here, from the age of about 12 to 20, amateur fights, boxed pro's (in the gym) the works.
It's irrelevant. No one has asked for a mechanical breakdown of throwing a backhand or is failing to understand it.
You said his right leg must have been operational to throw the right hand. My question was and still is, show me evidence after round 6 that Haye threw a technically correct backhand off of his back foot. Not a swipe, arm punch or cricket delivery. You wont, and you can't because it didn't happen, I don't think it happened when he had two decent legs let alone one. His punches were all ugly and poorly delivered.
@X I agree with all of that. For a bloke with so much experience he showed very little ability to negotiate his way through the fight. Haye persisted in trying to win the fight with one foot, in the same way that he was failing to win it with two. The taping up of the ankle was farcical. They also shouldn't have thrown in the towel in my opinion. The only real damage being done was to his already knackered leg. They'd let it go for 5 rounds, I dont see how much more damage another was going to make.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
Haye was losing the fight after he got injured and he would not have got the decision if it went to points so what was the point of carrying on?
If Haye was winning or it was close then it would have been worth taking it to the cards but bellew was too wise to get knocked out with any wild punches that Haye was throwing.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
'Bellew to fight again in 2017'
Tony Bellew is set to fight again this year following his dramatic heavyweight victory over David Haye, according to promoter Eddie Hearn.
Bellew claimed an 11th-round win over Haye, who was hampered by an Achilles injury from the sixth round, with trainer Shane McGuigan throwing in the towel for the former WBA world heavyweight champion at The O2.
In a bruising encounter in which Bellew claimed to have broken his hand, the 34-year-old admitted afterwards that his future was "uncertain".
However, Bellew's promoter Hearn told Sky Sports News HQ on Monday that 'Bomber' will fight again this year, with a possible rematch against Haye among the options.
"We're going to fight this year, 100 percent," said Hearn.
"Like Tony [Bellew] said, the decision will be made by him and his family and it's my job to present the opportunities to him. I believe the Haye rematch will be one of those opportunities.
"Part of Tony Bellew wanted to beat him fully fit. There are some unanswered questions.
"It was an epic event, it was a thrilling fight but the Haye rematch certainly remains one of the biggest fights out there for both guys.
"For Haye the only fight out there is the Tony Bellew rematch. For Tony there's the Haye rematch, there's Joseph Parker, there's Deontay Wilder, there's Tyson Fury, there's plenty of options."
In the immediate aftermath of victory, Bellew challenged reigning WBC world heavyweight champion Wilder to a fight, with Hearn revealing he had already received a phone call from the American about a proposed bout.
Hearn also confirmed previously that WBO champion Joseph Parker had made contact following Bellew's success in his maiden heavyweight clash.
'Bellew to fight again in 2017'
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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Master
Haye was losing the fight after he got injured and he would not have got the decision if it went to points so what was the point of carrying on?
You've never boxed, you wouldn't understand.
Im kidding, it's got nothing to do with having boxed. It's your general stupidity that stops you from understanding ;D
OK I'm kidding, or not.
I get what you're saying and in general I would agree. If a fight is unwinnable, jack it in.
There are caveats though. One of those being, if you're staring down the barrel of a stoppage loss to Tony Bellew and you've only got one foot, you fucking hop over the finish line, you crawl. You tell your useless corner that if they even contemplate getting creative and stopping the fight you will murder them in cold blood.
Given all that Haye said and taking into account what happened, you either walk out, or get carried out horizontal. Thats my personal opinion.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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Master
Haye was losing the fight after he got injured and he would not have got the decision if it went to points so what was the point of carrying on?
You've never boxed, you wouldn't understand.
Im kidding, it's got nothing to do with having boxed. It's your general stupidity that stops you from understanding ;D
OK I'm kidding, or not.
I get what you're saying and in general I would agree. If a fight is unwinnable, jack it in.
There are caveats though. One of those being, if you're staring down the barrel of a stoppage loss to Tony Bellew and you've only got one foot, you fucking hop over the finish line, you crawl. You tell your useless corner that if they even contemplate getting creative and stopping the fight you will murder them in cold blood.
Given all that Haye said and taking into account what happened, you either walk out, or get carried out horizontal. Thats my personal opinion.
Haye could barely stand and fell out through the ropes. The rematch is going to happen anyway and fighting for another 5 minutes until the end of the fight would have made no difference.
It just shows you how far Haye has fallen that he wants to create a trilogy against Bellew when he once has aspirations of fighting for the world title.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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Master
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Memphis
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Master
Haye was losing the fight after he got injured and he would not have got the decision if it went to points so what was the point of carrying on?
You've never boxed, you wouldn't understand.
Im kidding, it's got nothing to do with having boxed. It's your general stupidity that stops you from understanding ;D
OK I'm kidding, or not.
I get what you're saying and in general I would agree. If a fight is unwinnable, jack it in.
There are caveats though. One of those being, if you're staring down the barrel of a stoppage loss to Tony Bellew and you've only got one foot, you fucking hop over the finish line, you crawl. You tell your useless corner that if they even contemplate getting creative and stopping the fight you will murder them in cold blood.
Given all that Haye said and taking into account what happened, you either walk out, or get carried out horizontal. Thats my personal opinion.
Haye could barely stand and fell out through the ropes. The rematch is going to happen anyway and fighting for another 5 minutes until the end of the fight would have made no difference.
He could barely stand from round 6 onward. It would have made a huge difference. It would have meant not getting stopped by Tony Bellew.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
Regarding Haye making adjustments, I'd say his lack of fights over the years even as far back as Macca caught up with him. More activity could have resulted in increasing awareness of options available.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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Memphis
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Master
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Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Master
Haye was losing the fight after he got injured and he would not have got the decision if it went to points so what was the point of carrying on?
You've never boxed, you wouldn't understand.
Im kidding, it's got nothing to do with having boxed. It's your general stupidity that stops you from understanding ;D
OK I'm kidding, or not.
I get what you're saying and in general I would agree. If a fight is unwinnable, jack it in.
There are caveats though. One of those being, if you're staring down the barrel of a stoppage loss to Tony Bellew and you've only got one foot, you fucking hop over the finish line, you crawl. You tell your useless corner that if they even contemplate getting creative and stopping the fight you will murder them in cold blood.
Given all that Haye said and taking into account what happened, you either walk out, or get carried out horizontal. Thats my personal opinion.
Haye could barely stand and fell out through the ropes. The rematch is going to happen anyway and fighting for another 5 minutes until the end of the fight would have made no difference.
He could barely stand from round 6 onward. It would have made a huge difference. It would have meant not getting stopped by Tony Bellew.
I don't think they should have stopped it
Bellew never looked like stopping him, I think the knockdown was due to the lack of balance, I don't even think there was any kind of punch landed and it looked a lot worse because he fell through the ropes
I think he'd have lasted to the end
Bellew has been a bellend since the fight, he is talking like he beat David Haye and he is now awesome
I now really hope Hayes body can last one last training camp and one last fight
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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erics44
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Memphis
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Master
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Master
Haye was losing the fight after he got injured and he would not have got the decision if it went to points so what was the point of carrying on?
You've never boxed, you wouldn't understand.
Im kidding, it's got nothing to do with having boxed. It's your general stupidity that stops you from understanding ;D
OK I'm kidding, or not.
I get what you're saying and in general I would agree. If a fight is unwinnable, jack it in.
There are caveats though. One of those being, if you're staring down the barrel of a stoppage loss to Tony Bellew and you've only got one foot, you fucking hop over the finish line, you crawl. You tell your useless corner that if they even contemplate getting creative and stopping the fight you will murder them in cold blood.
Given all that Haye said and taking into account what happened, you either walk out, or get carried out horizontal. Thats my personal opinion.
Haye could barely stand and fell out through the ropes. The rematch is going to happen anyway and fighting for another 5 minutes until the end of the fight would have made no difference.
He could barely stand from round 6 onward. It would have made a huge difference. It would have meant not getting stopped by Tony Bellew.
I don't think they should have stopped it
Bellew never looked like stopping him, I think the knockdown was due to the lack of balance, I don't even think there was any kind of punch landed and it looked a lot worse because he fell through the ropes
I think he'd have lasted to the end
Bellew has been a bellend since the fight, he is talking like he beat David Haye and he is now awesome
I now really hope Hayes body can last one last training camp and one last fight
If that does happen and Haye wins then "they" will demand a 3rd fight. Do we really want to see that?
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
a fully fit haye who is ready to fight and I don't think Bellew lasts past 3 rounds
so I don't think there will be a need for a third
I'm not really arsed about that now anyway, id like to see a second and who knows how id feel after it
I may want a third I might not, its probly 8 months off
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
there's some very short memories here. Personally, the only reason I wanted to see the first fight was in the hope that Haye still had a bit left and would Spark out Bellew , so why the fucking need for a 2nd or 3rd?
But it was very clear after the 1st Round that Haye doesn't have anything left at the highest level, even before the injury. Some people may say he came into the fight with the injury, and that may be true, but that further goes to show that you can say "if this" and "if that", but the fact is that he's gone.
the only thing the fight did was make Bellew into some kind of Superstar and give him pay days he could only dream of , because in reality , he's fucking shit.
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You are right Primo, the fight showed that Haye is shot, way past his best and is just trying to contact the public in thinking he can provide a realistic challenge at the world stage.
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I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches
2 more and I think the sparking would have come
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches
2 more and I think the sparking would have come
I think so too. Haye gave away the first 2 for me, but he was winning the rounds prior to the stoppage and that was likely in a semi injured form already IMO. A healthy Haye knocks Bellew cold. Will probably happen in the rematch. Haye is high on a trilogy because it now generates money and he knows it isn't the hardest work in the world. He knew he was beating Bellew at less than 100%, he even thought he could do it completely injured. He would be very confident in a rematch.
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I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches
2 more and I think the sparking would have come
Agree with all of that, but for Haye to have been taken as a serious contender for a World title , he would've had to blow Bellew out of there very handily inside 5 or 6 rounds.
Even if he hadn't got injured and eventually stopped Bellew late on, that wouldn't be good enough to suggest Haye was ready for a World title shot.
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David Haye claims he will be "heavyweight champion of world once again" and expects to return to ring this year
David Haye has made the huge claim that he will be "heavyweight champion of the world once again" in a thank-you message to his fans.
The Hayemaker suffered a shock 11th round defeat to Tony Bellew at London's O2 on March 4, and speculation the 36-year-old would retire soon followed.
But in a video message to fans, Haye ensured everybody he is on the mend and expects to be back in the ring this year.
Haye, who was WBA Heavyweight Champion from 2009 to 2011, also stated that his desire to fight is as strong as ever, adding "watch this space."
In the clip, he says: "Hello, ladies and gentleman, thank you very much for all of your amazingly positive well wishes and messages of support.
"Every single one of them has been read and digested by me.
"I will be back to my best very best very soon, I have the best people in the world looking after me, so as soon as it is humanly possible for me to get back in the ring, I will be.
"We all believe that will be before the end of 2017, which is fantastic.
"Everybody saw how much I wanted the fight whilst I was in the fight, so the question marks 'does David still want it if the going gets tough?' Yes I still want it.
"I proved to everybody I did, I am telling you all I will be the heavyweight champion of the world once again.
"Time will tell but I'm doing everything humanly possible to get back on track so watch this space."
David Haye claims he will be "heavyweight champion of world once again" and expects to return to ring this year
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
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I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches
2 more and I think the sparking would have come
Agree with all of that, but for Haye to have been taken as a serious contender for a World title , he would've had to blow Bellew out of there very handily inside 5 or 6 rounds.
Even if he hadn't got injured and eventually stopped Bellew late on, that wouldn't be good enough to suggest Haye was ready for a World title shot.
I see where youre coming from
thing is, id like to see the fight again because I think the injury was there well before the fight and haye was unable to train, he was clearly fit but it didn't look like he had done much boxing
I might be wrong, they might fight again and it might take him 10 rounds to get to bellew which would prove what you are saying
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erics44
I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches
2 more and I think the sparking would have come
Agree with all of that, but for Haye to have been taken as a serious contender for a World title , he would've had to blow Bellew out of there very handily inside 5 or 6 rounds.
Even if he hadn't got injured and eventually stopped Bellew late on, that wouldn't be good enough to suggest Haye was ready for a World title shot.
I see where youre coming from
thing is, id like to see the fight again because I think the injury was there well before the fight and haye was unable to train, he was clearly fit but it didn't look like he had done much boxing
I might be wrong, they might fight again and it might take him 10 rounds to get to bellew which would prove what you are saying
I would watch the fight again but I don't think I'd pay for it next time, I can imagine it being a bit of a damp squib in the build up, they can't run around threatening to decapitate each other and kill each others kids and stuff now that they have pretty much declared their undying love for each other, the rematch would largely rely on revenge without the animosity.
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I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches
2 more and I think the sparking would have come
Agree with all of that, but for Haye to have been taken as a serious contender for a World title , he would've had to blow Bellew out of there very handily inside 5 or 6 rounds.
Even if he hadn't got injured and eventually stopped Bellew late on, that wouldn't be good enough to suggest Haye was ready for a World title shot.
I see where youre coming from
thing is, id like to see the fight again because I think the injury was there well before the fight and haye was unable to train, he was clearly fit but it didn't look like he had done much boxing
I might be wrong, they might fight again and it might take him 10 rounds to get to bellew which would prove what you are saying
I would watch the fight again but I don't think I'd pay for it next time, I can imagine it being a bit of a damp squib in the build up, they can't run around threatening to decapitate each other and kill each others kids and stuff now that they have pretty much declared their undying love for each other, the rematch would largely rely on revenge without the animosity.
You watch them build up this to be another based on the injury, where Haye would say it made the difference and Bellew saying it did not and that he had his own injury to contend with.
Suckers like eric with fall for it and it will end up as another PPV box office fight.
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re: Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd
I don't really watched the build up of any fight
press conferences don't really interest me
so what ever they say usually makes little difference to my opinion, I watch the odd video that's it
going into the first fight I watched next to nothing and was neutral
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erics44
I don't really watched the build up of any fight
press conferences don't really interest me
so what ever they say usually makes little difference to my opinion, I watch the odd video that's it
going into the first fight I watched next to nothing and was neutral
You still have a video ? is it beta or VHS ?
They have things called DVD's now you should try one.
