Haye V Klitschko OFF

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Klitschko and his team had been considering the postponement, but when it still hadn't received a medical report on Haye's injury by Friday afternoon, they opted for Chagaev.
"We have only heard from them about this injury but not received the medical report," Boente said. "The main obstacle in Wladimir's mind was that we can never count 100 percent on Haye. The options were Chagaev on June 20 or delay the Haye fight to July 11. But the big obstacle was that we don't know that suddenly Haye doesn't cancel again because his back is still not 100 percent. Then with the summer vacations in Europe, we can't do a fight until the fall. We couldn't take that risk."
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This is why I refuse to give Haye the benefit of the doubt. Today's MRI equipment can detect even slight micro muscle tears. This sort of thing happens in the NFL often because with the amount of money that NFL players are paid, you need a proper "doctors note", LOL.

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Originally Posted by benevolent anarchist

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Klitschko and his team had been considering the postponement, but when it still hadn't received a medical report on Haye's injury by Friday afternoon, they opted for Chagaev.
"We have only heard from them about this injury but not received the medical report," Boente said. "The main obstacle in Wladimir's mind was that we can never count 100 percent on Haye. The options were Chagaev on June 20 or delay the Haye fight to July 11. But the big obstacle was that we don't know that suddenly Haye doesn't cancel again because his back is still not 100 percent. Then with the summer vacations in Europe, we can't do a fight until the fall. We couldn't take that risk."
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This is why I refuse to give Haye the benefit of the doubt. Today's MRI equipment can detect even slight micro muscle tears. This sort of thing happens in the NFL often because with the amount of money that NFL players are paid, you need a proper "doctors note", LOL.

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So he elects to fight a guy who has just pulled out of another fight with hepatitus? Rather than wait 3 weeks to fight Haye. I'm thinking B.I.T.C.H.

Sorry Lyle and other Clit fans but to call it off and fight somebody who is just as likely...if not more likely to pull out is ridiculous

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Originally Posted by leftylee

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Originally Posted by Lyle

leftylee when has David Haye shown that he can compete on Wladimir's level???


SUUUURRRRRVEY SAYS

NEVER!!!!!!

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When did Tony Thompson, when did Hasim Rahman...what about biitch ass Ray Austin or even Sam Peter ?

Haye has stepped upto the plate numerous times and has shown power, speed and brutal knockouts in his 2 HW fights thus far. Something that Wlad can't deal with.

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No point going on about it Lee, what Lyle doesn't understand is that Haye poses a decent threat to Clit because of his speed of movement and one-punch KO power. Lyle feels safer knowing that Clit is going to be fighting a smaller guy who is too slow to do anything other than stand in front of Clit not actually doing anything. You can't even blame Lyle or Clit. It's just what they have become accustomed too. Rahman, Thompson, Peter, Austin.

Clit fans like to retort to the 'what has David Haye ever done to deserve a shot' line which is fine until you remember who Clit has been fighting recently. Furthermore i highly doubt the Clit fans would complain about Nate Campbell getting a shot straight away at 140, or Pac getting a shot straight away at 135 and 140, or indeed any other undisputed champion moving up in weight.

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by benevolent anarchist

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Klitschko and his team had been considering the postponement, but when it still hadn't received a medical report on Haye's injury by Friday afternoon, they opted for Chagaev.
"We have only heard from them about this injury but not received the medical report," Boente said. "The main obstacle in Wladimir's mind was that we can never count 100 percent on Haye. The options were Chagaev on June 20 or delay the Haye fight to July 11. But the big obstacle was that we don't know that suddenly Haye doesn't cancel again because his back is still not 100 percent. Then with the summer vacations in Europe, we can't do a fight until the fall. We couldn't take that risk."
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This is why I refuse to give Haye the benefit of the doubt. Today's MRI equipment can detect even slight micro muscle tears. This sort of thing happens in the NFL often because with the amount of money that NFL players are paid, you need a proper "doctors note", LOL.

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So he elects to fight a guy who has just pulled out of another fight with hepatitus? Rather than wait 3 weeks to fight Haye. I'm thinking B.I.T.C.H.

Sorry Lyle and other Clit fans but to call it off and fight somebody who is just as likely...if not more likely to pull out is ridiculous

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I've read Vlad been immunized against hepatitis (wonder if Valuev was immunized too?) and Chagaev hepatitis is a very minor one where you got more chance struck by lightning than being infected by Chagaev hepatitis...;)

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by benevolent anarchist

This is why I refuse to give Haye the benefit of the doubt. Today's MRI equipment can detect even slight micro muscle tears. This sort of thing happens in the NFL often because with the amount of money that NFL players are paid, you need a proper "doctors note", LOL.

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So he elects to fight a guy who has just pulled out of another fight with hepatitus? Rather than wait 3 weeks to fight Haye. I'm thinking B.I.T.C.H.

Sorry Lyle and other Clit fans but to call it off and fight somebody who is just as likely...if not more likely to pull out is ridiculous

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I've read Vlad been immunized against hepatitis (wonder if Valuev was immunized too?) and Chagaev hepatitis is a very minor one where you got more chance struck by lightning than being infected by Chagaev hepatitis...;)

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Hepatitus B is 10 times more infectous than HIV. My point wasn't that anyway.

Point was Chagaev is surely just as likely to pull out due to the symptoms of Hepatitus B - The nausea, vomiting, fatigue etc...

#1 Chagaev didn't pull out of the Valuev fight, the Athletic Commission in Finland wouldn't allow him to fight, methinks Don King would rather Valuev fight John Ruiz or Kali Meehan so as to hang on to the WBA belt.

#2 I never said Haye didn't pose "a threat" I just said it would be better for Haye and better for the division if he actually fought some decent heavyweights before jumping in with the big fish. 1 punch can change any fight BUT KO-ing Monte Barrett doesn't mean much.

I think the thing you don't understand ono, is that Chagaev WAS fit to fight but Valuev and Don King didn't want to lose the title again and that is why the fight was called off in Finland. As for David Haye's injury, all we have been told is that it's a "back injury" why haven't we been told more???

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by ono

So he elects to fight a guy who has just pulled out of another fight with hepatitus? Rather than wait 3 weeks to fight Haye. I'm thinking B.I.T.C.H.

Sorry Lyle and other Clit fans but to call it off and fight somebody who is just as likely...if not more likely to pull out is ridiculous

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I've read Vlad been immunized against hepatitis (wonder if Valuev was immunized too?) and Chagaev hepatitis is a very minor one where you got more chance struck by lightning than being infected by Chagaev hepatitis...;)

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Hepatitus B is 10 times more infectous than HIV. My point wasn't that anyway.

Point was Chagaev is surely just as likely to pull out due to the symptoms of Hepatitus B - The nausea, vomiting, fatigue etc...

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As what Lyle said earlier, Chagaev didn't pull out... It was the boxing commission's decision not to allow him to fight because of the hepatitis detection...

Reports from Team Chagaev stated that he's 100% feeling healthy... First time I've heard Chagaev experienced nausea, vomiting, fatigue etc... Where did you read this news??
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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

I've read Vlad been immunized against hepatitis (wonder if Valuev was immunized too?) and Chagaev hepatitis is a very minor one where you got more chance struck by lightning than being infected by Chagaev hepatitis...;)

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Hepatitus B is 10 times more infectous than HIV. My point wasn't that anyway.

Point was Chagaev is surely just as likely to pull out due to the symptoms of Hepatitus B - The nausea, vomiting, fatigue etc...

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As what Lyle said earlier, Chagaev didn't pull out... It was the boxing commission's decision not to allow him to fight because of the hepatitis detection...

Reports from Team Chagaev stated that he's 100% feeling healthy... First time I've heard Chagaev experienced nausea, vomiting, fatigue etc... Where did you read this news??
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What's to stop the commission from doing the same again? Seriously asking because i don't know....


I wasn't saying Chagaev is experienceing the above symptoms, i was suggesting it's highly possible that he will if he has Hepatitus B.

My point is the above fight is just as likely to be called off as the fight with david haye would be.....merely 3 weeks later.

Because the Wlad-Chagaev fight will happen in GERMANY and not Finland and Wladimir had already asked the German Athletic Commission and they had no issue with Chagaev's illness (fyi Ray Mercer and Evander Holyfield have fought with Hepititus).

David Haye is only going to be able to fight July 25th and NOT July 11th which means Wlad would have to wait 5 weeks and not 3 and I don't care who you are, that's unreasonable and beyond that David Haye COULD still be slightly injured for that fight and as a fan of Wladimir Klitschko and a fan wanting the best the heavyweight division we don't need any bullshit excuses as to why David Haye lost, I am sure the Haye fans want him in top condition for every fight too, that's all I want so I can say Wladimir KO'd him fair and square.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I see. But suppose it's not Wlad that's scared. Maybe it's Haye? Maybe the big moment got to him? Could be he came to the conclusion he was in over his head and got cold feet. Why can't it be those options?

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Because he is actually injured. The fight contract calls for an independent doctor to verify any injuries that cause the fight to be delayed or cancelled and that's what's going to happen. It's clear that Junior is botling out of the fight here, not haye. We'll have to continue this Monday morning. :)

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:vd: You groupies are so transparent. Your not fooling anybody. It's cuz Haye is from the UK and Wlad is not. So it has to be Wlad that's scared. Despite the fact that Wlad (to my knowledge) has never pulled out of a fight before, he's still scared. Yet the smaller Cruiserweight with a weak jaw and stamina issues is spooking Wlad that bad, huh? :beat: Have some self respect for yourself. Look at your self. Your a mindless groupie who's lust for Haye is so great your making up some of the dumbest, stupidest reasons ever. Just to defend him. And the real sad part is you actually believe it. :LOLATYOU:

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And so Vlad bottled it and took the Chagaev fight, despite the fact that HBO want nothing to do with it. The executives at HBO must all be Haye fanboys and Vlad will now be fighting for 50c on Showtime, or Versus. Faced with the choice between a fighter with a pulse who might beat him and another Soviet plodder, the bottler Klitschko takes the no-threat plodder who could barely get by Matt Skelton (another British fighter you probably fantasise about.) It's obvious which one of us is obsessed with Haye and British fighters in general.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Rob, inspite of what Steve Bunce may say, David Haye doesn't carry weight here in the US people don't know who he is, or they don't care, and the ones that do know who Haye is want to see him get massacred in the ring.

David Haye isn't ready for Wladimir, he has no experience vs anyone with Wladimir's skill. Steve Bunce can talk shit all he wants to about how bad Wladimir is and how great David Haye is but it's going to be one rude damn awakening when the hammer comes down on that chin of Haye's

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HBO aren't interested in junior's fight with Chagaev. They're not going to show it. Why is that?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Because he is actually injured. The fight contract calls for an independent doctor to verify any injuries that cause the fight to be delayed or cancelled and that's what's going to happen. It's clear that Junior is botling out of the fight here, not haye. We'll have to continue this Monday morning. :)

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:vd: You groupies are so transparent. Your not fooling anybody. It's cuz Haye is from the UK and Wlad is not. So it has to be Wlad that's scared. Despite the fact that Wlad (to my knowledge) has never pulled out of a fight before, he's still scared. Yet the smaller Cruiserweight with a weak jaw and stamina issues is spooking Wlad that bad, huh? :beat: Have some self respect for yourself. Look at your self. Your a mindless groupie who's lust for Haye is so great your making up some of the dumbest, stupidest reasons ever. Just to defend him. And the real sad part is you actually believe it. :LOLATYOU:

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And so Vlad bottled it and took the Chagaev fight, despite the fact that HBO want nothing to do with it. The executives at HBO must all be Haye fanboys and Vlad will now be fighting for 50c on Showtime, or Versus. Faced with the choice between a fighter with a pulse who might beat him and another Soviet plodder, the bottler Klitschko takes the no-threat plodder who could barely get by Matt Skelton (another British fighter you probably fantasise about.) It's obvious which one of us is obsessed with Haye and British fighters in general.

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I don't care if Vlad-Chagaev don't have the blessing of HBO... What I care is seeing a HW championship fight to happen (the winner here will be crown the RING HW Champion)... I also think Vlad-Chagaev a much better fight than Vlad-Haye for Chagaev has a better resume at HW than Haye...
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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by ono

Hepatitus B is 10 times more infectous than HIV. My point wasn't that anyway.

Point was Chagaev is surely just as likely to pull out due to the symptoms of Hepatitus B - The nausea, vomiting, fatigue etc...

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As what Lyle said earlier, Chagaev didn't pull out... It was the boxing commission's decision not to allow him to fight because of the hepatitis detection...

Reports from Team Chagaev stated that he's 100% feeling healthy... First time I've heard Chagaev experienced nausea, vomiting, fatigue etc... Where did you read this news??
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What's to stop the commission from doing the same again? Seriously asking because i don't know....


I wasn't saying Chagaev is experienceing the above symptoms, i was suggesting it's highly possible that he will if he has Hepatitus B.

My point is the above fight is just as likely to be called off as the fight with david haye would be.....merely 3 weeks later.

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Different boxing commissions have slight differences in fight requirements... The German Boxing Commission already stated that Chagaev hepatitis is a minor one and he will be allowed to fight in Germany... Vlad-Chagaev is a go in Germany...
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Because he is actually injured. The fight contract calls for an independent doctor to verify any injuries that cause the fight to be delayed or cancelled and that's what's going to happen. It's clear that Junior is botling out of the fight here, not haye. We'll have to continue this Monday morning. :)

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:vd: You groupies are so transparent. Your not fooling anybody. It's cuz Haye is from the UK and Wlad is not. So it has to be Wlad that's scared. Despite the fact that Wlad (to my knowledge) has never pulled out of a fight before, he's still scared. Yet the smaller Cruiserweight with a weak jaw and stamina issues is spooking Wlad that bad, huh? :beat: Have some self respect for yourself. Look at your self. Your a mindless groupie who's lust for Haye is so great your making up some of the dumbest, stupidest reasons ever. Just to defend him. And the real sad part is you actually believe it. :LOLATYOU:

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And so Vlad bottled it and took the Chagaev fight, despite the fact that HBO want nothing to do with it. The executives at HBO must all be Haye fanboys and Vlad will now be fighting for 50c on Showtime, or Versus. Faced with the choice between a fighter with a pulse who might beat him and another Soviet plodder, the bottler Klitschko takes the no-threat plodder who could barely get by Matt Skelton (another British fighter you probably fantasise about.) It's obvious which one of us is obsessed with Haye and British fighters in general.

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With or without HBO Wlad is still taking home a good 7 to 8 million. Poor guy. Facts are Gaye had his fight. Everything was a go. Less than 20 day left and he pulls out. Bad hand. No. Wait a minute. Bad back. Yeah that's it. :beat: All this talk about waiting a couple of weeks was just that. Talk. No legit bad injury heals in weeks. Only made up back injuries heal that quick. Facts are Gaye punked out. In his own words this is an easy fight for him. He was going to destroy Wlad. What the fukk happened? Can't destroy somebody when your ass is on the sidelines. Gaye has no back problem. It's a heart problem.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

And so Vlad bottled it and took the Chagaev fight, despite the fact that HBO want nothing to do with it. The executives at HBO must all be Haye fanboys and Vlad will now be fighting for 50c on Showtime, or Versus. Faced with the choice between a fighter with a pulse who might beat him and another Soviet plodder, the bottler Klitschko takes the no-threat plodder who could barely get by Matt Skelton (another British fighter you probably fantasise about.) It's obvious which one of us is obsessed with Haye and British fighters in general.

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Ruslan Chagaev has over 20 fights at heavyweight AND has holds/held (we don't know what the WBA is going to do) a title AT HEAVYWEIGHT.....oh yes, that is a HUGE step down for Wladimir :rolleyes:

I want to see David Haye KO'd apparently as much as you do...if he fights either Wlad or Vitali David Haye can go ahead and call it a career, he will be ruined...that's not me being a fan, that's being realistic about David Haye's chances.