It's not that it was placed on manny's shoulders. What I'm saying is he could have chosen to take it on and elvated himself further. He chose not to. That frustrated me.
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It's not that it was placed on manny's shoulders. What I'm saying is he could have chosen to take it on and elvated himself further. He chose not to. That frustrated me.
But if he has chosen not to and not elevate himself further, so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
It's not up to the boxer to clean up the sport. That's what the boxing commissions should be doing. You should be frustrated with them.
I disagree. It is up to the boxers.
If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.
The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.
If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.
Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.
All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.
By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.
Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.
We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.
Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.
manny said he'd take the blood tests upto 2 weeks before the fight....plus tested after the fight but coward mayweather said noQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his faceQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIf I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.
Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."
THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.
would make floyd look pretty silly
as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests
having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?
Yes we are going into the dirty polloticksQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerWe are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.
Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.
Nope I'm not blaming the boxers
And nope I'm not lumping it all on pacquiao. You're back in pactard territory, taking what I'm saying out of context and to rediculous extremes.
As I said in my post (me repeating things for you again!?) '....boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.'
Boxers can change the sport. But first they must realise they can and then they have to decide if they want to or not.
up to two weeks before isn't good enough, read the rest of the thread. And it's not about Mayweather. Again read the rest of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULLmanny said he'd take the blood tests upto 2 weeks before the fight....plus tested after the fight but coward mayweather said noQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his faceQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIf I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.
Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."
THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.
would make floyd look pretty silly
as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests
having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?
You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.
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Originally Posted by fan johnnyYou don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.
HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.
Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.
LOL might want to start thinking before you type ;) especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'
It comes from the tax payers.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyYou don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.
HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.
Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.
LOL might want to start thinking before you type ;) especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'
You shout shut up before you say more things laced with idiocy.
:lol:
What you are insinuating is easier said than done.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerYes we are going into the dirty polloticksQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerWe are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.
Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.
Nope I'm not blaming the boxers
If your statement that "If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies." isn't blaming them, then what is it?
And nope I'm not lumping it all on pacquiao. You're back in pactard territory, taking what I'm saying out of context and to rediculous extremes.
Another statement of yours: "Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator." That's putting more responsibilities on Manny, and I didn't say "all".
As I said in my post (me repeating things for you again!?) '....boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.'
Boxers can change the sport. But first they must realise they can and then they have to decide if they want to or not.
And how do you think the boxers will be able to decide to change the sports? Go to a big boxer conference/meeting and come up with a solitary position on how to change the sport, then put it into action as a collective?.
Here you go with this again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfingerup to two weeks before isn't good enough, read the rest of the thread. And it's not about Mayweather. Again read the rest of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULLmanny said he'd take the blood tests upto 2 weeks before the fight....plus tested after the fight but coward mayweather said noQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his faceQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIf I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.
Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."
THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.
would make floyd look pretty silly
as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests
having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?
From your post #176 in this thread:
Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation had a 2 weeks cut-off period. You wrote here that you will be satisfied with that. Now, it isn't good enough. You are contradicting yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerI haven't heard hornfinger's response to this but I would also like to hear the answers from mafiajoey and miles as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerGive us some of the names of those who you think are categorically clean and what's your basis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
If Manny agreed to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, would that have been satisfactory to you? And if Manny tested negative in those, would you have categorically said that Manny is clean?
Yep I would have been satisfifed that Manny was clean for that fight.
You have been caught several times with your foot in your mouth.
See hornfinger, I told you I'm not the only one who calls you that.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyYou don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.
And you have made several statements here where you don't know what you're talking about.