WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[erics44]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

[marbleheadmaui]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

And this should be good enough for Mayweather. In his fight with Mosley, Shane had his blood test done up until 18 days before the fight.

Mayweather-Mosley test dates revealed - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

[erics44]

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

im not sure he was singled out by floyd tho was he? i think a lot of people were suspicious with roaches apparent history and all

and if my boss publically asked me if he could check my pc for kiddy porn i would let him, and once he found there wasnt any i would do something to put him in the spotlight

[marbleheadmaui]

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

im not sure he was singled out by floyd tho was he? i think a lot of people were suspicious with roaches apparent history and all

and if my boss publically asked me if he could check my pc for kiddy porn i would let him, and once he found there wasnt any i would do something to put him in the spotlight

Of course he was. No other fighter demanded Manny test.

Like i said, it depends on how you view your honor. If you feel hostage to every outrageous accusation? You'll spend all your time answering them. Wild accusations do not deserve a response.

[erics44]

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

im not sure he was singled out by floyd tho was he? i think a lot of people were suspicious with roaches apparent history and all

and if my boss publically asked me if he could check my pc for kiddy porn i would let him, and once he found there wasnt any i would do something to put him in the spotlight

Of course he was. No other fighter demanded Manny test.

Like i said, it depends on how you view your honor. If you feel hostage to every outrageous accusation? You'll spend all your time answering them. Wild accusations do not deserve a response.

I could be wrong but as far as i remember when manny started stepping up through the weights theres was talk of drugs, around the time of the cotto fight, maybe just after the drug talk came to a head, then there was talk of a fight with floyd, then floyd said take a test

leaving your job wouldb be a pretty big response

[Rantcatrat]

Marble exagerated a little bit, but I agree with him. It's not like Mayweather came out and petitioned the Nevada Boxing Commission to require stricter testing. It's been more than one year since his last fight - he has had plenty of time to petition the Commission for more thorough testing for all fighters. And yet, he hasn't. Indeed, Floyd or his team manage a few younger fighters. Fighters whose welfare they care for. Do they require stricter testing when those boxers fight?

My theory is that Floyd is more of a businessman than a boxer. Floyd's fight history proves me correct. More power to him. He isn't in boxing to retire as the best of all time; he isn't trying to outdo Sugar Ray Robinson or Ali. If he was boxing for legacy, he'd fight Pacquiao regardless of a test, and then he'd fight Sergio, and then he'd try to go up and fight someone else. We all know the odds are that he would beat Pacquiao (and for that matter, the odds are he'd beat Sergio). Think about it. The odds favored Floyd when they came out after his last fight so even the bookies (who are correct most of the time) think he'll beat Pacquiao, and those odds weren't accounting for a drug test. They were saying if Floyd fought Pacquiao in 2010, he would likely win, drug test or not.

I believe out of Floyd's last five opponents, Pacquiao would be his toughest test. Why jump in and fight Pacquiao now? What sense does that make? The fight will be worth more money in a year seeing as though Pacquiao is signing endorsement deals with Hewlett Packard and coming out with a cologne in his name. Floyd might as well take a warm-up at the end of the year, maybe even two warm-ups and then take the riskiest fight out there for more money. That would be two or three fights making more than $10M per fight, and then a fight for $50M.

I don't buy that Floyd was putting off fighting Manny because he thought steroids made Manny too tough and not worth the risk of wear and tear to his body, and that without steroids, Manny wasn't the same risk. Floyd is the best defensive fighter in the game. It is my opinion that even with wings, Manny wouldn't catch Floyd very often.

It's the same reason why Arum decided to keep JuanMa away from Gamboa. Now, that backfired, but JuanMa as talented as he is, is no Floyd. It's why David Haye took fights against Valuev and Ruiz before stepping in with Wlad. And now, Haye's money is better because of it.

Floyd ain't dumb. The drug test is more of a rouse to make there even be more controversy surrounding the fight. The bottom line is money and Floyd's bet is that if Pacquiao gets to be even a bigger star, maybe even to the point where Pacquiao is the A-side in a fight with him, Floyd makes more money. This all makes even more sense if Floyd believes Pacquaio is the biggest risk to him. Why not make more money fighting your toughest fight?

[fan johnny]

Here's the thing that gets me. People don't even know what the Olympic Style testing requirements are, and don't know that what Floyd is asking for are completely different.

(OST calls for a Random testing during (and this is key) non-competition times. Urine testing is also random but usually immediately follows an event.

The other thing they don't get is that the blood tests are not even used to detect the presents of PED's but rather they are used only for profiling. When profiling uncovers abnormal level it is an indicator of PED use which in turn triggers additional Urine testing for banded substances.

What Floyd was asking for was a series of Blood & Urine tests over the 8 weeks of the training period leading up to the fight. According to the standards this points to nothing but pure harassment.

When blood testing was being preformed during competition times to detect HGH, not a single athlete was discovered using HGH. This is the test that the Victor Conte's of the world came up with. When congress asked why it did catch a single athlete? The answer was because testing was always being done at competition times and it would not benefit the athlete to take PED's at that time and to catch the athlete testing needed to be done randomly at non-compitation time when the athlete would have the most benefit.

Now for those of you who are not up-to-date in the last offer made to Floyd, .

[Mars_ax]

Oh great, another pointless/divisive Pac-PBF blood testing/PEDS thread.

[Addicted to Boxing]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

I like your analogy but it does not take an opponents health into consideration. The more apt analogy is a child that habitually rubs his groin area is perceived to be a victim by child abuse by child services and school faculty. The parents are called into question and their integrity means nothing. What matters is the the child's safety. Which in this this unprecedent situation has PAC jumping up many weights and hitting opponents harder than than that have ever been hit ( they claim) by fighters of that natural weight class. There is a saying that is it seems to be to good there's probably something wrong. Back to my claim the parents have to prove they are not violating the child and if there is no foul play and if they really have love for the child there is no limit as to what they will do to set things straight. Avoidance is not an option !

[brocktonblockbust]

 Back to my claim the parents have to prove they are not violating the child and if there is no foul play and if they really have love for the child there is no limit as to what they will do to set things straight. Avoidance is not an option !

I am the OP and your perspective is exactly what I am referring to as abusive and dangerous. This perspective of "we have to do what is best for one's safety" is dangerous precisely because once the STATE takes on that Big Brother role, there is no limit, the sky is the limit.

If there is even a 0.00000002% chance that that man over there in the airport is a terrorist, we must now accept that "better safe than sorry" bullshit, and the TSA gets to stick their hands down everyone's pants before boarding an airliner.

[Pavlik]

the mayweathers are unimpressed with pac's string of victories over larger but "flawed" foes. then if that's the case why are they worried.

[marbleheadmaui]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

I like your analogy but it does not take an opponents health into consideration. The more apt analogy is a child that habitually rubs his groin area is perceived to be a victim by child abuse by child services and school faculty. The parents are called into question and their integrity means nothing. What matters is the the child's safety. Which in this this unprecedent situation has PAC jumping up many weights and hitting opponents harder than than that have ever been hit ( they claim) by fighters of that natural weight class. There is a saying that is it seems to be to good there's probably something wrong. Back to my claim the parents have to prove they are not violating the child and if there is no foul play and if they really have love for the child there is no limit as to what they will do to set things straight. Avoidance is not an option !

I don't think that quite works. I mean Floyd is the one rubbing his groin and they've never been in the ring together. The authorities wouldn't take someone off the street who has never been alone with the child and prosecute.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

manny said he'd take the blood tests upto 2 weeks before the fight....plus tested after the fight but coward mayweather said no

[Hornfinger]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

manny said he'd take the blood tests upto 2 weeks before the fight....plus tested after the fight but coward mayweather said no

up to two weeks before isn't good enough, read the rest of the thread. And it's not about Mayweather. Again read the rest of the thread.