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Oh yes and while he's at it trying to connect those dots let him not fail to leave out the San Bernardino shooter who is from Pakistan miles please do try to connect the dots between Bush's invasion of Iraq and a Pakistani wanting to kill Americans please do explain that because is it not time for somebody to ask you to explain that theory in detail which you constantly put forth as the reason for terrorism against the West?
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Damnit Brock! Don't you know those people are part of the GLOBAL community and Americans are to blame for all the evils of the world :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Wow. You two seem to be actually insane. I bet the Brits are now going to vote Tory too. Denial, denial, denial and business as usual.
So you can't answer the question then and no connecting the dots then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
George Orwell went to fight in the Spanish Civil War. You know, it is not rare for people from different borders to find commonality. You brought up Pakistan for instance. Well duh....they haven't fared well under an illegal drone program.
You seem fixated on the idea that only Iraqi's can be upset by the Iraq war. It's a dumb reductionist way to think.
But your way says that everybody on the planet has an excuse to get into the fight. That's even dumberQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I don't think any government elected with a first past the post system has any claim to democracy and yet they seem to think they have the right to sell weapons to tyrants and start wars all over the place. Is it so crazy to think some people in disparate parts of the world might likewise work beyond any sense of morality or principal?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustBut your way says that everybody on the planet has an excuse to get into the fight. That's even dumberQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I don't think it is dumb to suggest that Isis has been funded and that they are largely mercenaries. You have to understand the links, Brock before you see the bigger picture and I am not sure that you do. Your mentality feeds into the escalating violence. You seldom talk about how Isis gets their weapons, or where they came from, to do that one must look in a mirror and that is where it gets murky.
been there done that, young lad. I am now talking about a different subject which you keep claiming you have dots connected about, yet you don't. That subject ---AGAIN -- and I doubt you'll answer ---AGAIN--- is this: how does the bombing of Iraq cause the DAGESTANI/KIRGYZI/CHECHNYAN/TUNISIAN/ALGERIAN/CIRCASSIAN/ABKHAZIAN TERRORISTS TO BOMB THE WEST????? YOu are insisting and insisting it is bcuz of US/UK hegemony. ----PRAY DO EXPLAIN----Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI don't think any government elected with a first past the post system has any claim to democracy and yet they seem to think they have the right to sell weapons to tyrants and start wars all over the place. Is it so crazy to think some people in disparate parts of the world might likewise work beyond any sense of morality or principal?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustBut your way says that everybody on the planet has an excuse to get into the fight. That's even dumberQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I don't think it is dumb to suggest that Isis has been funded and that they are largely mercenaries. You have to understand the links, Brock before you see the bigger picture and I am not sure that you do. Your mentality feeds into the escalating violence. You seldom talk about how Isis gets their weapons, or where they came from, to do that one must look in a mirror and that is where it gets murky.
I posit that it is because disparate people are able to find a common rage. They bomb the West because the West continues to bomb the world. Why did Orwell go and fight the fascists in Spain despite being English? Because you fight for what you believe in. In a global world people are more able to connect than ever. Thus people of various origins decide to get extreme in the face of an ever more extreme West.
You are in denial about this quite obvious connection. Until you listen to people and stop using violence yourself terrorism will only ever rise.
On a microcosm it is somewhat like the forum. There can be peace if people take the time to listen to one another and compromise, but while you all troll each other it will only create more conflict. War on terror and terrorism is trolling taken to a gruesome level.
well if thats the case, dont you think its a bit of a stretch? for example, when for example Idi Amin was slaughtering thousands and thousands of Africans from surrounding countries, if me or you decided that it was such an outrage that we HAD to join a resistance against him, would that have been justified? What about when saudi Arabia executes hundreds of citizens for minor infractions, could that let us get extreme and bomb Saudi Arabia using suicide belts? You see, atrocities have always been committed Miles, not just by the US. ALWAYS been committed by somebody or other, and that just does not justify anybody and everybody who is outraged by it to just start carrying out terrorist attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Miles Im sorry but I cannot agree AT ALL with you no matter how I ponder these points. The only people I would say were somewhat justified would be people whose families got wiped out directly by Bush and Blair, i.e. Iraqis in Falluja, Tikrit, Basra, Sadr City all in Iraq. Thats all. Nobody else.
There is no connection Miles between them right thhere and a nut job from Dagestan or chechnya.
NOPE. BOGUS.
Okay, how about we conduct an experiment where we put Blair on trial, give Iraq compensation, stop the selling of arms, deal with Saudi Arabia, stop the illegal wars and see if it improves our standing in the Arab world? You know just maybe the terrorism would be reduced. All in all there really is very little terrorism in the West all things considered. Even then Theresa May wants to tear up human rights. It's a farce it really is and I hope the Brits prove themselves a force by doing the right thing today. They deserve so much better than all this two faced reptilian bomb every one and take away all your freedom nonsense.
Miles you want Blair on trial why he done what many PMS do he went to war weather you like it or not, just because he may have ballsed up which people do. Fuck Miles stop moaning Blair went to WAR over oil simple no ifs our buts we need the stuff we are fucked with out think Miles.!Quote:
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We back Saudi the biggest bunch of shits in the middle east they bank roll all the terrorists mate but ALL party's that are in government turn a blind eyes why because it suits mate.
War my friend is shit this candyfloss kiss and hug Society need to see the hard facts we are under ATTACK by radicalised Muslims who want us dead.
Who ever is in government have to act you are wasting you time talking to theses people,! I think 22 people killed by some piece of shit is a heavy price.!
Corbyn if he gets in will have big problems May the same problems Terrorism Brexit etc and too many people expecting theses problem to disappear over night.
Too right he should be on trial! The man took our country to war based upon lies and in the process carried out the ultimate crime of aggression. Maybe you feel comfortable with that Dia, but I don't and think millions more are of a similar mood. That is one of the key reasons Labour lost millions of votes under Blair's leadership. It was all smoke and mirrors. The man was a servant of the banks, Murdoch, and the war machine. Not only should he be on trial, but he should definitely be removed from the Labour Party. Galloway was booted for criticising the Iraq war. Well, he has been proven right on this and yet still Blair remains and Blair was another reason Corbyn struggled. The media (can it really call itself media anymore) gives a war criminal free voice to sow as many seeds of discontent as he likes. You couldn't make it up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMiles you want Blair on trial why he done what many PMS do he went to war weather you like it or not, just because he may have ballsed up which people do. Fuck Miles stop moaning Blair went to WAR over oil simple no ifs our buts we need the stuff we are fucked with out think Miles.!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
We back Saudi the biggest bunch of shits in the middle east they bank roll all the terrorists mate but ALL party's that are in government turn a blind eyes why because it suits mate.
War my friend is shit this candyfloss kiss and hug Society need to see the hard facts we are under ATTACK by radicalised Muslims who want us dead.
Who ever is in government have to act you are wasting you time talking to theses people,! I think 22 people killed by some piece of shit is a heavy price.!
Corbyn if he gets in will have big problems May the same problems Terrorism Brexit etc and too many people expecting theses problem to disappear over night.
Okay, you need oil. But why can you not just buy it like anyone else? I don't see Japan invading every country possible and they have no natural resources. You are one of the richest countries on earth. Why not invest properly in green energy? Too much like hard work? Was Libya about oil too? Well look at that country too and look at the lawlessness and problems Europe is now having with its borders. That is our fault! It's about time people got real about what causes all of this. To then sign deals with the Saudi's and then hush up investigations! Again, you couldn't make any of this up.
I don't think problems will just go away because Corbyn gets in but it will make one heck of a difference. The trouble is we have doubled down, refuse to accept responsibility and then get all surprised that people don't actually like us very much. Well it doesn't surprise me because I don't forget. Under attack by radical Muslims? Tell that to the million dead caused by Blair and Bush. Do you remember shock and awe? The destruction of Libya? Then tell me who is under attack.
There are obvious societal problems in the UK, but let's never sweep those huge crimes under the carpet. They want you to forget and think they are all out to get you now. Never forget how it got to this. The wars and lack of accountability is a key element. People turned away from Labour BECAUSE of the BLOOD. It's only now that people are going back. They haven't forgotten, they just see that Corbyn gets it.
Call me cynical, but I am very cynical when these attacks only ever happen when the Tories have been revealed as naked. I sense a lot of people being played with the fear and constant need to be tough and take away human rights. No sensible person would ever go along with it.
Theresa May is no picnic in the park but the fact is that Jeremy corbyn is too far left for his party. Labor was definitely looking for a moderate. I fail to see how this guy's far-left policies and I mean far left this guy's a total socialist I'm going to lead labor in the direction that they want
ANYMORE.....you don't see Japan doing that ANYMOREQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf