22 dead in Manchester

[brocktonblockbust]

George Orwell went to fight in the Spanish Civil War. You know, it is not rare for people from different borders to find commonality. You brought up Pakistan for instance. Well duh....they haven't fared well under an illegal drone program.

You seem fixated on the idea that only Iraqi's can be upset by the Iraq war. It's a dumb reductionist way to think.

But your way says that everybody on the planet has an excuse to get into the fight. That's even dumber

[Gandalf]

George Orwell went to fight in the Spanish Civil War. You know, it is not rare for people from different borders to find commonality. You brought up Pakistan for instance. Well duh....they haven't fared well under an illegal drone program.

You seem fixated on the idea that only Iraqi's can be upset by the Iraq war. It's a dumb reductionist way to think.

But your way says that everybody on the planet has an excuse to get into the fight. That's even dumber

I don't think any government elected with a first past the post system has any claim to democracy and yet they seem to think they have the right to sell weapons to tyrants and start wars all over the place. Is it so crazy to think some people in disparate parts of the world might likewise work beyond any sense of morality or principal?
I don't think it is dumb to suggest that Isis has been funded and that they are largely mercenaries. You have to understand the links, Brock before you see the bigger picture and I am not sure that you do. Your mentality feeds into the escalating violence. You seldom talk about how Isis gets their weapons, or where they came from, to do that one must look in a mirror and that is where it gets murky.

[brocktonblockbust]

George Orwell went to fight in the Spanish Civil War. You know, it is not rare for people from different borders to find commonality. You brought up Pakistan for instance. Well duh....they haven't fared well under an illegal drone program.

You seem fixated on the idea that only Iraqi's can be upset by the Iraq war. It's a dumb reductionist way to think.

But your way says that everybody on the planet has an excuse to get into the fight. That's even dumber

I don't think any government elected with a first past the post system has any claim to democracy and yet they seem to think they have the right to sell weapons to tyrants and start wars all over the place. Is it so crazy to think some people in disparate parts of the world might likewise work beyond any sense of morality or principal?
I don't think it is dumb to suggest that Isis has been funded and that they are largely mercenaries. You have to understand the links, Brock before you see the bigger picture and I am not sure that you do. Your mentality feeds into the escalating violence. You seldom talk about how Isis gets their weapons, or where they came from, to do that one must look in a mirror and that is where it gets murky.

been there done that, young lad. I am now talking about a different subject which you keep claiming you have dots connected about, yet you don't. That subject ---AGAIN -- and I doubt you'll answer ---AGAIN--- is this: how does the bombing of Iraq cause the DAGESTANI/KIRGYZI/CHECHNYAN/TUNISIAN/ALGERIAN/CIRCASSIAN/ABKHAZIAN TERRORISTS TO BOMB THE WEST?? YOu are insisting and insisting it is bcuz of US/UK hegemony. ----PRAY DO EXPLAIN----

[Gandalf]

I posit that it is because disparate people are able to find a common rage. They bomb the West because the West continues to bomb the world. Why did Orwell go and fight the fascists in Spain despite being English? Because you fight for what you believe in. In a global world people are more able to connect than ever. Thus people of various origins decide to get extreme in the face of an ever more extreme West.

You are in denial about this quite obvious connection. Until you listen to people and stop using violence yourself terrorism will only ever rise.

On a microcosm it is somewhat like the forum. There can be peace if people take the time to listen to one another and compromise, but while you all troll each other it will only create more conflict. War on terror and terrorism is trolling taken to a gruesome level.

[brocktonblockbust]

I posit that it is because disparate people are able to find a common rage. They bomb the West because the West continues to bomb the world. Why did Orwell go and fight the fascists in Spain despite being English? Because you fight for what you believe in. In a global world people are more able to connect than ever. Thus people of various origins decide to get extreme in the face of an ever more extreme West.

You are in denial about this quite obvious connection. Until you listen to people and stop using violence yourself terrorism will only ever rise.

On a microcosm it is somewhat like the forum. There can be peace if people take the time to listen to one another and compromise, but while you all troll each other it will only create more conflict. War on terror and terrorism is trolling taken to a gruesome level.

well if thats the case, dont you think its a bit of a stretch? for example, when for example Idi Amin was slaughtering thousands and thousands of Africans from surrounding countries, if me or you decided that it was such an outrage that we HAD to join a resistance against him, would that have been justified? What about when saudi Arabia executes hundreds of citizens for minor infractions, could that let us get extreme and bomb Saudi Arabia using suicide belts? You see, atrocities have always been committed Miles, not just by the US. ALWAYS been committed by somebody or other, and that just does not justify anybody and everybody who is outraged by it to just start carrying out terrorist attacks.

Miles Im sorry but I cannot agree AT ALL with you no matter how I ponder these points. The only people I would say were somewhat justified would be people whose families got wiped out directly by Bush and Blair, i.e. Iraqis in Falluja, Tikrit, Basra, Sadr City all in Iraq. Thats all. Nobody else.

There is no connection Miles between them right thhere and a nut job from Dagestan or chechnya.

NOPE. BOGUS.

[Gandalf]

Okay, how about we conduct an experiment where we put Blair on trial, give Iraq compensation, stop the selling of arms, deal with Saudi Arabia, stop the illegal wars and see if it improves our standing in the Arab world? You know just maybe the terrorism would be reduced. All in all there really is very little terrorism in the West all things considered. Even then Theresa May wants to tear up human rights. It's a farce it really is and I hope the Brits prove themselves a force by doing the right thing today. They deserve so much better than all this two faced reptilian bomb every one and take away all your freedom nonsense.

[Dia bando]

Okay, how about we conduct an experiment where we put Blair on trial, give Iraq compensation, stop the selling of arms, deal with Saudi Arabia, stop the illegal wars and see if it improves our standing in the Arab world? You know just maybe the terrorism would be reduced. All in all there really is very little terrorism in the West all things considered. Even then Theresa May wants to tear up human rights. It's a farce it really is and I hope the Brits prove themselves a force by doing the right thing today. They deserve so much better than all this two faced reptilian bomb every one and take away all your freedom nonsense.

Miles you want Blair on trial why he done what many PMS do he went to war weather you like it or not, just because he may have ballsed up which people do. Fuck Miles stop moaning Blair went to WAR over oil simple no ifs our buts we need the stuff we are fucked with out think Miles.!
We back Saudi the biggest bunch of shits in the middle east they bank roll all the terrorists mate but ALL party's that are in government turn a blind eyes why because it suits mate.
War my friend is shit this candyfloss kiss and hug Society need to see the hard facts we are under ATTACK by radicalised Muslims who want us dead.
Who ever is in government have to act you are wasting you time talking to theses people,! I think 22 people killed by some piece of shit is a heavy price.!
Corbyn if he gets in will have big problems May the same problems Terrorism Brexit etc and too many people expecting theses problem to disappear over night.