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I think there's a good reason why even if he can take over dead people's bodies he never got a chance to kill Jacob before, as I said it had to be a leader of the others.
But, why, before Locke, would he only take over Christian and Alex's body? If there's something to this theory it makes sense why he would take over Alex's body because she played a major part in getting Ben to kill Jacob. But why Christian? And nobody else?
i can't read all of those posts, but i did read that you finished and talked about the smoke monster.
i don't read the stupid message boards because they're way too in depth and although it's fun to entertain new theories, those are just a bit too much for me..
In my opinion, i LOVED the finale. I love when shows/movies lead you in one direction, and then you find out that there is a bigger picture (being Jacob and the man dressed in black).. my theory was that the guy dressed in black is the smoke monster. He can change into other people. You asked previously why did ben have to kill jacob and not locke/smoke monster guy? Well you remember the beginning of the episode when he said he couldn't kill him but he'd find a loophole. So we don't know wh yhe can't kill him, but it seems pretty apparant that he appeared in the form of Alex to tell Ben to listen to whatever Locke says, which is why Ben killed Jacob..
A few things i researched after watching.. When the crew from the second flight that crashed asked "what lies in the shadow of the statue" and Alpert says something in Latin i believe, it's something like, "he who saves us". and also there is a great picture/heiroglyph of the statue of Anubis (where Jacob lives) facing what seems to be some sort of monster that could be depicted as the smoke monster. Which makes me think even more that the guy at the beginning is the smoke monster.
I also, for some reason, am not positive that Juliet is dead. There was no explosion, just the white light. I read a theory saying that Juliet may be some sort of white smoke monster, because the screen turned white, and that when Locke saw the monster for the first time, he said "it was the most beautiful thing" he has ever seen. Something to think about.
Also, yo uhave to wonder why the statue was dismantled in the future/present/whatever you want to call it.. was it the jughead bomb that blew it up?
Lots of questions, but i trust the writers and haven't been excited about a tv series in a LONG time.
Told you, hahah.. that was why i said just wait.Quote:
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I loved the season though and the more I think about it the more I liked the finale but I don't know, I still would have rather had some things changed but oh well.
I can only go into the message boards so much. For one thing every fucking topic is like 59 pages so I read the first page and forget it. I just don't have the patience or the time.
Yeah I agree that he had to get somebody else to kill him hence Ben doing it and getting Alex to talk to Ben. And he had to be able to transform into a leader of the others to get access to Jacob. I don't know why he had access to him back when the ship was first showing up. He seemed like a real person back then although you can never tell.
See, i think when they showed him back in the day talking to Jacob, that they both were humans. Something eventually happened to turn him into the smoke monster. Same with Jacob, although i still think Jacob is simply just a human. Or at least he was back in the day.Quote:
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He took over others bodies. The guy that Hurley saw from the psych ward.. Eko's brother, etc.. It could all have to do with things that he showed Hurley and Eko and whoever else he turned into to make all of the events add up to him killing Jacob.Quote:
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What I want to see are more Richard episodes, I want to see some stuff farther back.
It is really getting down to the last few if Sayid and Juiet died. That leaves out of the original plane crash people Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, Jin and Sun, and lets face it Jin's barely a fringe character anymore, the only reason he seems even remotely involved is he's Sun's husband and part of the storyline is them finding each other. LOL maybe they'll have some dramatic reunion and then get killed off.
Out of the freighter people its just Miles.
Out of the others its just Ben, Alpert and a bunch of people that don't count.
And now there's those new people.
I wonder if maybe Alpert wanted Jacob to die? Or he just had to follow Locke's orders. I'm still a bit confused about his position among the others. He was the leader apparently in 1954, then something happened and Whidmore/Ellie became leaders and then Ben while he was an advisor. Does he have to do what the leaders because it seems like that with Ben but not so much with the other ones because of the episode where little Ben was shot and he says something about how he doesn't answer to Whidmore.
Maybe he just follows Locke's orders because he thinks he's come back to life.
One thing that hasn't quite sunk in yet out of all the shit that happened is that Locke is actually dead. You could say he was the main character in a way.
Richard made some deal with Jacob, which i think has to do with him not aging.. so i doubt richard wanted Jacob to die. Richard thought that Locke was Locke and not someone who was going to kill Jacob, right? Unless Ben told Richard on the way to see Jacob.. Richard was shocked to see Locke fall out of the box at the end of the season, so he did not know, even if he did know that Locke was trying to kill Jacob, that Locke was not Locke.Quote:
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Yeah I never thought that he thought Locke wasn't Locke.
I thought Ben told Richard that Locke wanted to kill Jacob but I can't remember for sure, all I remember is Ben telling Locke that he didn't tell Richard. Obviously Ben lies but he was supposedly following John then.
I know Ben and Richard talked about Locke and how he might be dangerous or something but I don't remember if Ben told Richard that Locke wanted to kill Jacob.
Anyway, just speculation.
So much cliffhanger stuff this finale.
So, final season is not that far away.
I don't really like this board but doesn't seem any point to move it to the other one.
Anybody watch it? I'm gonna watch it sometime today on hulu
I watched it, I was really kinda losing interest on last season's finale. But I thought they kind of brought it back home. I was pretty entertained by it. And it interested me enough to tune in again next week.Quote:
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Okay I saw it.
First, the first hour had some absolutely cringe inducing/hilarious dialogue
Juliet dying in Sawyer's arms
"kiss me"
"you got it blondie"
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It was good to see my first impression was right, that fake Locke was really Jacob's nemesis/smoke monster
Its a bit weird not having Locke anymore, even though its the same actor.
Second, what the fuck with the temple and all that, geezus now we have more new characters. I've always wanted to go back and watch all five seasons cause I feel like I've forgotten so much but I have a feeling the first two seasons or even three really won't even feel like the same show. There was a temple with "others" there the whole time, I thought the others were Ben's people, there were other "others?" I know they were the same others really, cause the kids who were kidnapped in the beginning turned out to be there the whole time, along with the stewardess.
And of course Sayid has to come back to life.
Fuck I feel stupid talking about this show, its so utterly bizarre.
And I guess cause they wanted the main temple guy to be mysterious they made him Asian, cause that's mysterious.
I say it's Jacob that has taken over Sayid's body, and that's why he came back to life.
Yeah that's one of the things I thought. Technically though it would be different than smoke monster taking over bodies cause he doesn't take over bodies so much, for example Locke's dead body is still there, he just is able to appear in their form. If Jacob took over Sayid then he just took his actual body.
Ooh I just had a thought. I wondered why if for example the Smoke Monster took Jack's dads body then why was his body missing from the coffin when with Locke he doesn't take over his actual body but maybe Jacob took the body over and that's why the body is gone, he took his actual body like he took Sayid's.
If that makes sense.
Felt like I was on shrooms wartching that last night.....:dontknow:=:hypnotized:=:stars:
Locke smoke monster not buying it ha.Oh and the 'ring around the ashes' hahaha um ok.Ben doing the voice over in 'refresh' episode was comical.And when does Hurley start saying nothing bad ever happens to him??On the plane?When the numbers had him 'cursed' well before then.And not to aim for the trivial...no not me....but how in the hell was Juliet not blown into a thousand pieces when she was laying on top of the bomb hitting it with a rock last season?Ive been convinced for two seasons now that the producers are making it up as they go.
Without watching the episode yet (it's on tomorrow here) i'd imagine that Hurley being all 'lucked up' would mean that the supposed alternate realities go back a little further than simply getting on the plane.Quote:
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Like maybe he won the lottery but bad things didn't happen in his alternative reality.
Can't wait to watch it.
Yes that was like the alternate reality and some things were different, like Hurley's luck but obviously everything wasn't different.
Spoilers but not really anything serious
But this is weird now that I think about it. Why would some things be different and others not? Like if they changed the timeline, or made it an alternate reality or whatever it is, why would say Hurley have won the lottery but yet actually not be cursed by the numbers while say Locke for example is still paralyzed?
Ben's character seems completely different now. I guess its that for so long he seemed in control of everything and now he's so obviously not.
I actually have rewatched a few season 1 episodes although I just don't think I can do the whole thing. One thing that struck me is the first time through I was mildly obsessed with Claire, lovely Claire and her lovely accent and on rewatching some I find her totally annoying and her accent almost headache inducing, she's always screaming about her "bay-bay" and how people are trying to take her bay-bay.
And Kate is still a horrible actress. And still hate Jack. Locke is the star of the show.
So the USA and UK are on the same timeline now?
If this wasn't the final season I would have stopped watching. Obviously they've been winging it for a while. Apart from Ben and Locke i'd like to see everyone else tortured to death.
When Saywer said he's gonna kill Jack and they went all dramatic it was totally :rolleyes:... almost worse than the kiss scene
Jack and Kate would be on my torture to death list. Everybody else I'm ok with to varying degrees for the most part.
Just saw the new episode
**Spoilers**
It sucked.
It was ok at best I guess. One redeeming quality was having the guy from Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia as one of the others.
Ok at best? I don't know. The whole alternate timeline stuff was just idiotic. Kate (die) was on the run, decides to stop off at a mechanic who seems totally cool with her pointing a gun at him. Not as in cool like I'm scared you have a gun I'll do what you want but like here's a cool click cool
"what'd you do?"
"murder"
"hehe"
"you have a bathroom?"
"sure right there"
so she's back on the run, from a federal marshall, she decides she needs to go find Claire, in a gigantic city, and look there she is.
"will you come with me?"
"But you're on the run and just carjacked my cab, wouldn't let me go, held a gun to my head, etc, etc."
"will you come with me?"
"ok"
Its like they had to get the two together but couldn't figure out how to make it plausible so they just said fuck it, this is Lost, you're supposed to have suspension of disbelief. That's fine but you shouldn't rely on that, its lazy.
Which wouldn't have mattered that much if it hadn't been boring. But it was. Maybe because I knew Claire was coming back.
How annoyingly ridiculous was that? A fugitive in a hijacked taxi drives plum back to the area where she dumped a pregnant woman - and not a cop in sight.
How did Claire leave? I can't remember anything about this show without 50 flashback clips :-\
I actually liked the last two seasons (I remember almost ditching it the third season) but the start of this season's been kind of crappy. I think tomorrow's is about Locke, fake Locke, whatever so that's a plus.
How did Claire leave what?
The show a few seasons back? I remember Kate took over the baby. Was Claire taken on the island or did she "die?" :-\
Supposedly she may have "died" when the freighter people attacked. I have no idea.
Not sure I totally get what's going on but a better episode. Honestly though anytime you have one episode that features Kate and one episode that features Locke you pretty much know which one's gonna be better.
And if the numbers are real and all that candidate gibberish is real that means Kate, who wasn't assigned a number, isn't a candidate which is fantastic and raises Jacob up in my estimation cause he instinctively knew Kate was too fucking pouty, annoying, and boring to save the world. Which brings us back to Jack but at least Jacob got one out of two right.
Who/what do you think Jacob is? Obviously Kate not being mentioned in the cave is significant. To be fair, If I could summon people to an island Kate wouldn't be far off the list, i'll get used to her annoyingness.Quote:
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((are we the only two gays watching this then? thought this thread looked pretty epic at one time :-\))
well yeah if epic means El Gamo furiously emoticoning all over the place
But yeah some of the people that regularly posted on here aren't around anymore and then there are others that haven't been around lately.
I think Jacob could be the "bad" guy actually. And maybe fake Locke isn't. Although he still could be. :cwm13:
I want to see Ben get over this bemused phase and go back to fucking people over.
Fake Locke has killed people as the smoke monster though. Goodies can't be killers? Or did he kill baddies?
Jacob does look like a stoned out evil bastard.
What is happening with the scenario where the plane didn't crash? Things are meant to be working out good for everyone, right? Like Hugo looking content as a fat cat and Locke getting the teaching job and what not?
Well I can't think of everyone he's killed but there was Eko who he only killed after Eko refused to repent and said he wasn't sorry for the things he'd done.
Trying to remember who else was killed by the smoke monster :-\ The pilot, in the pilot :beat:
Jacob is a manipulator though if his interactions with the Lost people in the season 5 finale really had some bearing on their lives. He gave Saywer the pen to write that letter, made Kate think she could get away with theft and being a horrible actress, did something to Jack and the other ones but I've forgotten what it was.
But the main reason I think fake Locke could be the good guy (or they're both not totally all good or all bad) is that it seems a bit too simple for him to be the bad guy. They always try to surprise people even though its usually not that surprising.
In the other life some people are better off but some aren't, Rose has cancer, Charlie still a drug addict, John still paralyzed for the moment although he doesn't seem that bad off.
I thought they were showing Rose as a contented character, accpeting of the cancer and that's what Lockes teaching job was about and that whole ridiculous nonsesne where Kate and Claire hooked up and what not. I'm sure a season or two ago these characters decided life on the island must be better than what they had before? Ahh fuck.. I really haven't a danny (that means clue)
Tell me what you think Jacob and Fake Locke are? Like gods?
I don't know what they are. There's obviously something not right about them. I think its pretty clear they are playing some kind of big game and are using the Lost people just as pawns.
I don't know what to think about this season so far. Maybe my expectations were too high.
Who was that kid with Jack? I didn't catch his name. It wasn't Aarron, err?
I still haven't seen the new episode, I think its a Sayid episode.
Half of me just wants it over with but cannot look away.And why do all the brothers die?The smoke monster is coming off as very gimmicky now,the whole chain sound yeah yeah..."oooohhhhhhh scary".......and Locke now has Sayid and Sawyer as recruits??And why the fook hasen't Hurly lost any weight being on a island for 3 damn years?
I missed a couple weeks in a row but am catching up now. For most of this season I've been forcing myself to watch, not interested really as I thought the first five episodes or so were for the most part shit but just watched sundown, the sixth episode, the Sayid one, and thought it was pretty damn good actually. This could be building towards an interesting ending.