And no I don't personally get any EU money or government money for my business. It is not for selfish reasons and you just can't get your head around that.
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And no I don't personally get any EU money or government money for my business. It is not for selfish reasons and you just can't get your head around that.
No deal appeals to me because it is the most direct means of leaving an undemocratic and unchosen overlord of a supposedly great and democratic nation that actually led the democratic way for much of Europe for centuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
You have declared yourself European and indeed declared that you would rather have immigrants than educated and capable people like myself, so you can consider yourself as patriotic as you like, but you do not appear so with your acceptance of tyranny.
Also the majority of Brits do not think like you whence Brexit winning in the first place and which explains why Jezza is terrified of an election. Anne Widdecombe represents you and the people around you voted for her lest we forget.
You could just accept the democratic result of a referendum. You don't see me still crying over the Scottish referendum years later but you remoaners are something else entirely. Accusing someone of being a money man Tory is lame to say the least.
Yep, and great argument with the culture point. The man who hates Nazi's hints at a common cultural heritage. Lol. Have you forgotten the Napoleonic wars, WW1, WW2, and dozens of other wars among the wonderful culturally sharing tribes of Europe? Nope, I actually have nothing in common with Nazi's. Glad to see you potentially do though.
Nope, I am not all that into Europe. Imagine sharing power with pervy little Macron and crushing Greece so that women sell their bodies and opening borders to rapists etc. How can you endorse any of that? Get out and have a fresh start. You cannot control massive centralisation. We know this from China, to America, to many systems of the past. To control tyranny you need a small nation state and representatives who you can track and control. The EU is the oppposite of that really.
Westminster can be controlled by the people. The EU cannot.
No, you said many of your clients and work come from operating in the EU. I did not say the EU funds you directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Your motivations are certainly not about the will of the people. I am all for it. Have an election or else just leave as the people directed.
No I didn't. You just made that up. I am one of the people. Far more than you, an individual who not only does not live in this country, but did not even vote in the referendum. You don't give a fuck about the people it why you fucked off. That is the entire point. You want to box people into corners because you are a political naive simpleton. You are also not a very nice bloke. You want to be able to declare yourself a working class economic socialist whilst making excuses for the worst kind of Tory. A group of feudal privileged and corrupt bully boys have seized power and you want to claim some of it and use it as justification for your own racist bullshit. Here you are boasting about holding grudges about the Napoleonic War and WW1 an 2 with a straight face as though you were an Imperialist old Codger all along. You are a joke mate. If German Jews can get over it you need to pull your socks up and act like a big boy not demand like El Kaobong that the world makes a special shaped hole for you both and bends to your politically correct demands. You are now suggesting that my old man marrying a German makes me a Nazi and still pretending that you are not a racist? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNo, you said many of your clients and work come from operating in the EU. I did not say the EU funds you directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Your motivations are certainly not about the will of the people. I am all for it. Have an election or else just leave as the people directed.
All you have is this remoaner bullshit because like the dumb El Kabong you refuse to engage with any kind of debate here. For you both it is a little safe space to engage your pathetic whiny polemic in matters that have literally no impact on you. Anyone refuses to blow smoke up your arse and you just resort to claiming they have issues or as mentally fragile as the pair of you. You use the same tactic with Master. The guy voted for leaving the EU bit because he has the common sense to not want to plunge the UK into chaos with no Deal you portray him as some kind of remainer. That is the kind of dishonesty you both display in your rush to avoid actually challenging yourselves. I am not arguing to remain I am just standing up to actual tyranny. Not the imagined EU bogyman that you probably frap off to but an actual government and ethos that has seen the most vulnerable in this country thrown to the dogs because like you those in charge would rather castigate the working poor and disabled than hold the non-tax paying oligarchs, mainstream Media Moguls and despots to account.
Nobody is stopping you coming back to Britain but you. You think an awful lot of yourself and not very much of anyone else it seems. You see yourself as 'educated and capable' but other economic migrants just like you are deemed as stupid and dangerous and freeloaders when most of them are not living the easy life you boast about over there in South Career.
What a fecking arse of a bloke you really are.
You are outright defending tyranny as you want the UK to be a colony of an EU superstate. That is why you voted to remain. You want a system where parliament is subservient to a higher body. You should be ashamed of yourself. You have no faith that Britain can maintain museums or sustain itself. A bit sad really.
As for all this roundabout nonsense saying that I think your Dad married a Nazi or whatever. A Jew with a Nazi fetish would be fascinating I guess considering his Christian Cult fetish too. Your Dad sounds randy. It is comedy gold. All I was saying was that actually Europe has a long history of war rather than sharing common cultural values. We actually have far more in common with many Americans and Canadians than Europeans. Genetically and historically so. A little bit of war too, but at least many of them are actually of British stock. It is why many Americans do actually have an affinity for Britain and why the Queen governs Canada etc.
You can disagree with No Deal all you like, but what do you propose? Accept the coward deal? No deal? Or an election? Those are your options. Parliament rejects a deal. Labour rejects an election. The people want an end to extensions. So I argue crash out and get it over with. People will be grateful in the long run. There is no gain without a little pain. You rip out the tumor and feel a lot better after a little healing. You don't let a cancer fester and the EU has imperial Empire like designs.
As for not being a nice man. Well that is not much of an argument.
My Nazi comment was actually a play on your very own Nazi fetish. It was a piss take. I don't happen to think there are many real Nazi's out there, least of all the Germans themselves. However, the EU itself is undemocratic and expansionist and as far as I am concerned a bit of a problem. A No Deal would give them the jolt they need to see reality and also encourage others like Italy and Poland to make their own moves. It won't be the end of the world but a brave new beginning.
At this stage I am with Johnson and it is all about wanting to see an independent Britain. Nothing more and nothing less.
And don't lie about things you have said in the past. It causes problems like me bring correct about you saying the father of your step child was a cunt. You gave me stick for that, but it was the truth. Otherwise, how would I have known? I do remember the things you say even if you don't.
Stop being so nasty and spiteful. My dad remarried after divorcing my mother. That does not make him randy. The fact that his wife was Jewish and German does not make mean he has a Nazi fetish or that it is comedy gold, and to suggest so just demonstrates what a bigoted prick you have always been. You just live in a fantasy world of willful ignorance if you think that Brits have more in common with Americans and Canadians than Europeans. Where do you think all the Irish-Americam, Italian-American, German-American families came from? Mars? You are an idiot and the only cancer festering is the one you and your boyfriend EL Kabong has foisted on this forum. A cancer in which you seek to set Brits against each other and white people against black, to routinely mock the disabled, the refugees of wars, piss about like a schoolboy wanting to play act at being gay whilst refusing to acknowledge any actual posters who actually happen not to be straight. It is funny how unwilling you are to see the truth of this and have to resort to personal attacks instead of dealing like an adult with the fact that somebody has a different opinion. I have friends and family who voted leave and none of them have to resort to the crap that you and your pal, who lets face it, are nothing but interested bystanders, pull everyday. What a sad life you must both have to insist everyone indulge you both in your pretend importance. You are nobodies in the grand scheme of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
When you have half a dozen kids you are by definition environmentally unfriendly and supremely randy. And you have the gall to call me out for not wanting to do much more for the environment. The irony of being called spiteful by you too for having a laugh despite the way you go on at people is faintly ironic to say the least. You have a humor bypass. It has nothing yo do with me being a bigoted prick but about you not being able to see when someone is ripping the piss out of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzStop being so nasty and spiteful. My dad remarried after divorcing my mother. That does not make him randy. The fact that his wife was Jewish and German does not make mean he has a Nazi fetish or that it is comedy gold, and to suggest so just demonstrates what a bigoted prick you have always been. You just live in a fantasy world of willful ignorance if you think that Brits have more in common with Americans and Canadians than Europeans. Where do you think all the Irish-Americam, Italian-American, German-American families came from? Mars? You are an idiot and the only cancer festering is the one you and your boyfriend EL Kabong has foisted on this forum. A cancer in which you seek to set Brits against each other and white people against black, to routinely mock the disabled, the refugees of wars, piss about like a schoolboy wanting to play act at being gay whilst refusing to acknowledge any actual posters who actually happen not to be straight. It is funny how unwilling you are to see the truth of this and have to resort to personal attacks instead of dealing like an adult with the fact that somebody has a different opinion. I have friends and family who voted leave and none of them have to resort to the crap that you and your pal, who lets face it, are nothing but interested bystanders, pull everyday. What a sad life you must both have to insist everyone indulge you both in your pretend importance. You are nobodies in the grand scheme of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Back on the sad life thing again? And nobody of any importance too? And I am the spiteful one? Bwahaha! You are missing a few neurons, old boy.
All I have argued is for a clean Brexit and border control and if I am so irrelevant then you would just ignore me. Unfortunately for you it isn't about me. The general public tends to think a bit like me. That is the bigger issue.
Does British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.
Yes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.
We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.
Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.
You really are a pair of idiots.
Why are u saying our country is a union? Are you talking about our states united under the federal government? We actually call ourselves a republic. Not saying you said anything bad just wondering in what context you use that word.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.
We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.
Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.
You really are a pair of idiots.
Semantics. The Union defeated the confederacy did it not? Republic then. You are still whippersnappers..fucking get in line. ;D It is so daft. I spend a few days away and come back to be lectured by an American and an Ex-Pat on what it means to be British, have the pair of them fetishizing Nazis and then moaning about it as though I brought them up (they are both obsessed by Fascist obviously) and then superimposing their own weird hangups and negativity onto me.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhy are u saying our country is a union? Are you talking about our states united under the federal government? We actually call ourselves a republic. Not saying you said anything bad just wondering in what context you use that word.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.
We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.
Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.
You really are a pair of idiots.
You are a country full up with families, dynasties even that came from Britain and Europe and invented everything the world sees as quintessentially American from hotdogs (German) to Pizzas (Japanese),movies (French) Sex ( french and Greek) Boobs ( Italian) shouting ( German) Tartan Golf Trousers ( Cornish/Scots/Irish/Welsh) The star spangled Banner (English tune about a Greek Poet) TV (Russia/UK) Cowboys (Mexico which is basically Spain with better boxers) Budweiser (Czech) Jeans (Bavarian) so it is beyond ridiculous that you would think that Europe is some kind of bogeyman threatening your whiteness :-\ :lickish: ;D
Damn dude I was just curious what you were saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzSemantics. The Union defeated the confederacy did it not? Republic then. You are still whippersnappers..fucking get in line. ;D It is so daft. I spend a few days away and come back to be lectured by an American and an Ex-Pat on what it means to be British, have the pair of them fetishizing Nazis and then moaning about it as though I brought them up (they are both obsessed by Fascist obviously) and then superimposing their own weird hangups and negativity onto me.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhy are u saying our country is a union? Are you talking about our states united under the federal government? We actually call ourselves a republic. Not saying you said anything bad just wondering in what context you use that word.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.
We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.
Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.
You really are a pair of idiots.
You are a country full up with families, dynasties even that came from Britain and Europe and invented everything the world sees as quintessentially American from hotdogs (German) to Pizzas (Japanese),movies (French) Sex ( french and Greek) Boobs ( Italian) shouting ( German) Tartan Golf Trousers ( Cornish/Scots/Irish/Welsh) The star spangled Banner (English tune about a Greek Poet) TV (Russia/UK) Cowboys (Mexico which is basically Spain with better boxers) Budweiser (Czech) Jeans (Bavarian) so it is beyond ridiculous that you would think that Europe is some kind of bogeyman threatening your whiteness :-\ :lickish: ;D
So still with the insults then...could have been shorter :shrug03:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
From a quick Wikipedia search
Anglo-Saxons:The Anglo-Saxons were a cultural group who inhabited Great Britain from the 5th century. They comprise people from Germanic tribes who migrated to the island from continental Europe, their descendants, and indigenous British groups who adopted many aspects of Anglo-Saxon culture and language; the cultural foundations laid by the Anglo-Saxons are the foundation of the modern English legal system and of many aspects of English society; the modern English language owes over half its words – including the most common words of everyday speech – to the language of the Anglo-Saxons. Historically, the Anglo-Saxon period denotes the period in Britain between about 450 and 1066, after their initial settlement and up until the Norman conquest.
....so they've been in that geopolitical nationstate for quite some time then?
You're a cultural superpower eh? How does that follow when you are adamant about the whole of British culture being imported from elsewhere. What traditions from the native inhabitants of Britain are left? Druidism?
Surely all cultures due to trade and wars and rivalries adopt from other cultures, but you just dismiss your cultural superpower status as quickly as you claim it: Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history.
Touting Roman and Greek culture is touting the very start of WESTERN CIVILIZATION and if I were to do that I believe you'd call me a bigot I mean you already would, but you'd really lay it in if I were to say "See, the West is best".
Europe isn't the United States. The United States is a union of individual states to form 1 geopolitical nation state. A nation state being: a sovereign state whose citizens or subjects are relatively homogeneous in factors such as language or common descent. The individual states within our nation can of course have their own local laws and taxation, but you'd have to understand the history of America in order to understand how our system came to be....the states haven't typically gone to war against each other, bar the one giant time which is certainly up for discussion and debate as to who was in the right and who was in the wrong in how it was handled and I'm not afraid to have my say on it as I've studied up on it quite a bit rather than just believed the dumbed down version of events spoonfed to schoolchildren.
France and Germany have gone to war with each other several times....that's hardly like Georgia and Tennessee or North and South Carolina or Alabama and Mississippi or New York and New Jersey and so on. England has been bitter rivals of Spain, France, and Germany for ages....a Union of those nations is going to go smoothly? I know a union of those nations has been tried a couple times....how did those go? Oh those were by force and this time it's voluntary oh until it's NOT and then we've got Britain held hostage by the European Union....can I tell you a little tale of secession and how that goes when you're a cash cow for the union? It ain't pretty. But you'll find out. The yellow vests in France are finding out, their own leaders calling in EU forces on them....oh wait wasn't the EU going to NOT have an army and armed forces?
Is there a secret plan to create an EU army?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ate-an-eu-army
No longer able to rely on America’s military leadership, the EU is harmonizing its military capabilities and facilities
http://www.german-times.com/no-longe...nd-facilities/
......well enjoy :thumb:
You are a fucking idiot . You just posted in defense of your ludicrous scaredy cat claims that the EU is planning an Army an article that finishes with this conclusion
Pigs will fly before the EU creates an army. European states can barely scrape together the cash to fund their contribution to NATO.
"An EU army marching out to war under Brussels’ command is a fantasy shared by Eurosceptics and a small number of federalists. Europe will continue down the road of defence cooperation in a halting way, but an EU army is only for armchair generals."
How many kinds of stoopid can you manage to be in one day? ;D
It is even funnier coming from you.You fucking love war, beating your moobs chest at any possible opportunity about how you won the worldwith your military might. Britain is not held hostage by Europe, that is a pathetic feeble excuse for being a pansy like your bottle job Prez. The Pessimism from the pair of you is non-stop. I am not a neo-liberal or a globalist like you pairand you can't handle that fact. I love not only my country, but my county , my city , my community. You want the world to reflect you but I am quite happy to co-operate with those with whom i share a common purpose even though they are different. I don't fear people because they were born somewhere else. I don't try to make people be like me in the way that you and your fake pal do.
The EU for all it's bureaucratic faults has actually not only celebrated but facilitated that in helping to preserve the six other languages native to these islands some of which predate English. You just dumb EVERYTHING down in an attempt to prove how sophisticated you are in ways that are sad and lame. You want to make the world a cartoon at a time when you should be finally growing up.
Again with the unsolicited vitriol, personal attacks and insults....whatever keeps you happy I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Well Jean Claude Junker and Angela Merkel....you know, 2 people who don't carry any weight in the EU :Sarcasm: both called for the creation of such an army. But I mean I don't expect you to believe that it's not as if there's evidence of it, it's just my wild unfounded claims which are totally unsubstantiat.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gHOA2y9BzU
:-\....ed. Oh I'm sorry you were saying something about that kind of thing never happening ever ever EVER.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt6PI8HWoAADL5c.jpg
Why what is that on that armored vehicle which is helping crush the yellow vest protests in France???? Oh nothing, just an EU flag ....because you know it's not like they have control over certain things :-X
If Britain isn't held hostage by the EU then why can't they leave the EU? Is it that they CAN leave but they'll be punished for leaving is that it? Because that sounds healthy.
Not may. No way it happens under three years. Imagine the economic carnage of no deal for over three years. Hundreds of billion pounds worth of trade with the EU, millions of jobs dependent on it, millions of other jobs dependent on the milliond of EU jobs pumping that money into the economy...........Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And then any deal would have to be ratified by every EU parliament. Greece want the Elgin marbles back? Spain and Gibraltar? The fucking French? Imagine the state of any deal after everybody gets paid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGAmPRxV48
It is hardly unsolicited or vitriol it is a fact that you have so much hostility toward Europe and my family you think nothing of comparing the EU and ordinary German people to Hitler and the Nazis. It seems like an obsession for you.
I am not like you and Gandalf. I am not interested in playing identity politics or subscribing to your very media led view of a world thousands of miles away from you. I do not speak from a place of ignorance. The Gilet Jaunes are a very interesting case in point that you are completely misunderstanding in your rush to claim something that is protesting the very neoliberal values you subscribe to. Those protests are not about the left or the right but they are about protesting the disgusting wealth inequality you venerate. You and Gandalf have way more in common in your aspirations with Macron and his gold desk than you ever will with the Yellow Vests.
You will believe what you want to believe because your entire outlook is based on fear and negativity fueled by angry little ex pats who surround themselves with sycophants in order to avoid growing up. If their videos are what you gorge on and that is true of both you and Gandalf then no wonder your fantasy belief system is so skewed. I am not a huge EU fan however you have tried to spin it but I am a realist and a pragmatist. I also do not share your xenophobia.
So while you both froth at the mouth I am grateful that in the real world I have a yellow jacket under my car seat for when we go just across the water and visit France. A country that thanks to the EU is treating my Mrs Dad in a French hospital today.
At no cost thanks to a principle and model of healthcare that you would see destroyed in order to maximise profits for American companies. You do not act like our friends. Under Trump you are the kind of country we should be fearing way, way more then Europe or the EU. Your track record is appalling.
That does not mean i subscribe to a lot of the bureaucratic nonsense or the MIC upon which your own precious ultra capitalist hell depends in order to forever sustain profits, but it does mean that i can see that for the most part the good outweighs the bad. You are lecturing me from a country that has fucked over half the world in order to maintain a system you keep telling us is amazing as though you really give a fuck about Britain, a country you want to see smashed into a fuzzy play dough model of your own.
I don't have hostility toward Europe I have hostility toward the EU....they aren't the same thing. Neither the EU leaders nor Angela Merkel are "ordinary German person(s)". I haven't mentioned your family directly at all, but man they sure do seem to get around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Agreed, you aren't like me in the slightest, nor are you like Gandalf and why you decided to name drop him here :dontknow:. You don't play identity politics? Then why keep calling me a bigot and a xenophobe and racist? How exactly am I misunderstanding the Gilet Jaunes? I guess the armored vehicle with the EU flag on it utilized to quell their protests was only trying to help them. I don't care for Macron at all. I didn't mind Sarkozy as much, but even he was a bit cozy with Obama whom I don't trust for various reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Again you bring up Gandalf which will only have him responding to these posts and wondering what the fuck is happening, but I suppose you know what you're doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Oh so you're a poser and why would her Dad go to France for treatment? Isn't the NHS totally tits and everyone should want to replicate it? That family, boy do they ever get around :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Yeah that "no cost healthcare model" doesn't really jive with the "Bring all the 'refugees' in model of immigration". Our track record like....ending the Korean War, not getting involved more in Syria? But hey it's ok I mean it's not like your nation attempted to aid and abet plotters to take out Trump....oh wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
If that's what you get from what I post then I guess you either are viewing it from a skewed perspective or misunderstanding what I'm posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Good chat.
MMMMMMMMM.... do I smell Democracy? :spit:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
See how bean flips when I merely ask him a question. And then he says shit like “walrus never debates”etc. now you see why I don’t get into it with beaner. One fucking question and the dude spits fire out of his nostrils.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDamn dude I was just curious what you were saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzSemantics. The Union defeated the confederacy did it not? Republic then. You are still whippersnappers..fucking get in line. ;D It is so daft. I spend a few days away and come back to be lectured by an American and an Ex-Pat on what it means to be British, have the pair of them fetishizing Nazis and then moaning about it as though I brought them up (they are both obsessed by Fascist obviously) and then superimposing their own weird hangups and negativity onto me.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhy are u saying our country is a union? Are you talking about our states united under the federal government? We actually call ourselves a republic. Not saying you said anything bad just wondering in what context you use that word.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.
We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.
Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.
You really are a pair of idiots.
You are a country full up with families, dynasties even that came from Britain and Europe and invented everything the world sees as quintessentially American from hotdogs (German) to Pizzas (Japanese),movies (French) Sex ( french and Greek) Boobs ( Italian) shouting ( German) Tartan Golf Trousers ( Cornish/Scots/Irish/Welsh) The star spangled Banner (English tune about a Greek Poet) TV (Russia/UK) Cowboys (Mexico which is basically Spain with better boxers) Budweiser (Czech) Jeans (Bavarian) so it is beyond ridiculous that you would think that Europe is some kind of bogeyman threatening your whiteness :-\ :lickish: ;D
It is the law in France to have a yellow vest in your car in case of breakdown you dullard :vd:. It is not posing it is something you do when France is not some abstract notion that you cry about.That is why the protesters wear them to protest about the poor being targeted by YOUR people. Just like when YOUR people implement a no deal Brexit the huge price increases in food will disproportionately affect the poor. Including the working poor that you and your pal Gandalf have attacked non stop while you regurgitate the crap the mainstream media tell you to, whilst ignoring the actual opinion of Brits that contradict those lies. And the Mrs Dad is in France because it is cheaper for pensioners to live there then here for much of the year, and he was taken ill while living there. He did not go there for treatment he was already there and a reciprocal agreement in place kept him safe. I get how you don't want hear anything positive or to learn anything about Europe or Britain because you know it all. You think it is weird to travel to countries on your doorstep precisely because you seem to be a confirmed racist and bigot.
Many of the refugees there are in the world are there because your country and my country bombed the shit out of them or sold the weapons that bombed the shit out of them. They are not the main users of the NHS. The NHS is staffed by many immigrants and always has been. You may be disgusted by that just like your economic migrant pal in SK but I am not ashamed of that I am proud of it. I am not a naive apologist like you and NO i do not play identity politics that is why you get so frustrated. You invent a position for me to inhabit because your own outlook is so narrow that is how you see the world. Fuck me I feel sorry for you.
To be honest why would any Brit give a flying fuck what YOU think about Brexit and the EU? ;D Some American bloke in a call centre who thinks he has the answers to the UK's woes ;D
Spits fire?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusSee how bean flips when I merely ask him a question. And then he says shit like “walrus never debates”etc. now you see why I don’t get into it with beaner. One fucking question and the dude spits fire out of his nostrils.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDamn dude I was just curious what you were saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzSemantics. The Union defeated the confederacy did it not? Republic then. You are still whippersnappers..fucking get in line. ;D It is so daft. I spend a few days away and come back to be lectured by an American and an Ex-Pat on what it means to be British, have the pair of them fetishizing Nazis and then moaning about it as though I brought them up (they are both obsessed by Fascist obviously) and then superimposing their own weird hangups and negativity onto me.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhy are u saying our country is a union? Are you talking about our states united under the federal government? We actually call ourselves a republic. Not saying you said anything bad just wondering in what context you use that word.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.
We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.
Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.
You really are a pair of idiots.
You are a country full up with families, dynasties even that came from Britain and Europe and invented everything the world sees as quintessentially American from hotdogs (German) to Pizzas (Japanese),movies (French) Sex ( french and Greek) Boobs ( Italian) shouting ( German) Tartan Golf Trousers ( Cornish/Scots/Irish/Welsh) The star spangled Banner (English tune about a Greek Poet) TV (Russia/UK) Cowboys (Mexico which is basically Spain with better boxers) Budweiser (Czech) Jeans (Bavarian) so it is beyond ridiculous that you would think that Europe is some kind of bogeyman threatening your whiteness :-\ :lickish: ;D
Don't be such a baby. You have absolutely no sense of humor do you? You and El Kabong and Gandalf are all younger than me but you drone on like old men in your slippers going on about the fucking Beatles and watches and going out for Coffee once a month when you are not on your periods.
You Guys x :gayfight2:
Dude I guess you are too thick to pick it up but I posed that question to you as a way to try to have a decent interaction. And if that is u being funny, it’s not us that lack a sense of humorQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzSpits fire?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusSee how bean flips when I merely ask him a question. And then he says shit like “walrus never debates”etc. now you see why I don’t get into it with beaner. One fucking question and the dude spits fire out of his nostrils.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDamn dude I was just curious what you were saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzSemantics. The Union defeated the confederacy did it not? Republic then. You are still whippersnappers..fucking get in line. ;D It is so daft. I spend a few days away and come back to be lectured by an American and an Ex-Pat on what it means to be British, have the pair of them fetishizing Nazis and then moaning about it as though I brought them up (they are both obsessed by Fascist obviously) and then superimposing their own weird hangups and negativity onto me.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhy are u saying our country is a union? Are you talking about our states united under the federal government? We actually call ourselves a republic. Not saying you said anything bad just wondering in what context you use that word.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.
We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.
Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.
You really are a pair of idiots.
You are a country full up with families, dynasties even that came from Britain and Europe and invented everything the world sees as quintessentially American from hotdogs (German) to Pizzas (Japanese),movies (French) Sex ( french and Greek) Boobs ( Italian) shouting ( German) Tartan Golf Trousers ( Cornish/Scots/Irish/Welsh) The star spangled Banner (English tune about a Greek Poet) TV (Russia/UK) Cowboys (Mexico which is basically Spain with better boxers) Budweiser (Czech) Jeans (Bavarian) so it is beyond ridiculous that you would think that Europe is some kind of bogeyman threatening your whiteness :-\ :lickish: ;D
Don't be such a baby. You have absolutely no sense of humor do you? You and El Kabong and Gandalf are all younger than me but you drone on like old men in your slippers going on about the fucking Beatles and watches and going out for Coffee once a month when you are not on your periods.
You Guys x :gayfight2:
I must have been mentioned about 8 times and told what I think when I do not think those things at all and meanwhile the only one frothing at the mouth was Beanz who clearly did not do any work in the time I was sleeping. I have nothing in common with Macron. I am not a hobbit with a granny fetish and a thing with superstates or indeed working with the financial sector in mind. If that is what you think Beanz then you continue to have serious issues. All I argue is that superstates imposed by force are wrong and that seems to make your head spin.
You didn't answer the questions as usual too.
Yellowhammer is an anagram of Orwell mayhem (sorry if it's already been noted)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6C8gialZcw
Boris going directly to the people. Now is he really going to deliver? I hope so.
Actually they're wearing the vests because the government has become a bit micro-managey in that they (the government) demand by law that those vests be carried in every car. But by no means is that the crux of their argument with the government. Yes the people are upset about money, and no it's not "my people" hurting them, it's the EU and their massive taxation on things like GAS...see where we come back to the yellow vest/car thing? Brexit will hurt Europe too? That's odd because here I was being told it was only going to hurt Britain, huh, funny how that seems to work...and a no deal Brexit as well, would hurt France specifically...what are the odds :dontknow: . Again you mention Gandalf...what good does that do for you? You have a hard enough time focusing on 1 discussion, why bring in more people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
....yyyyeah, because I totally do that :cwm13:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I think it's odd to travel specifically for medical reasons when you've got "The greatest healthcare known to man" ....yeah I find that curious. You don't see me going to Canada or Mexico to see doctors and you're quite unlikely to unless the United States decides to have socialized healthcare and thereby ration care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Yes yes all refugees and immigrants are pure and holy and nothing but good OR they are the problems WE America and Britain have created and so we shall reap the seed we personally sowed. Yeah that seems a bit of a supremacist take if you ask me, but hey you're supposed to be calling ME that instead of me suggesting you don't know that you're doing that. Oopsy poopsie.
Well #1 IF I did that it would be due to your trouble in answering direct questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
#2 Aren't you doing that exact same thing to me right now?
Oh so I'm a "fat, trustafarian, call center worker"....I'm trying to think of the other things you've accused me of being but they're just so all over the place it's hard to keep track, but keep it up, it's like reading a MadLib filled out by a retard.
You are not just an idiot you think you are an expert on everything. Like I already said I do not speak from a position of ignorance. That doesn't make me an expert but i know when to listen or ask rather than trust some third hand MSM accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongActually they're wearing the vests because the government has become a bit micro-managey in that they (the government) demand by law that those vests be carried in every car. But by no means is that the crux of their argument with the government. Yes the people are upset about money, and no it's not "my people" hurting them, it's the EU and their massive taxation on things like GAS...see where we come back to the yellow vest/car thing? Brexit will hurt Europe too? That's odd because here I was being told it was only going to hurt Britain, huh, funny how that seems to work...and a no deal Brexit as well, would hurt France specifically...what are the odds :dontknow: . Again you mention Gandalf...what good does that do for you? You have a hard enough time focusing on 1 discussion, why bring in more people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
....yyyyeah, because I totally do that :cwm13:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I think it's odd to travel specifically for medical reasons when you've got "The greatest healthcare known to man" ....yeah I find that curious. You don't see me going to Canada or Mexico to see doctors and you're quite unlikely to unless the United States decides to have socialized healthcare and thereby ration care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Yes yes all refugees and immigrants are pure and holy and nothing but good OR they are the problems WE America and Britain have created and so we shall reap the seed we personally sowed. Yeah that seems a bit of a supremacist take if you ask me, but hey you're supposed to be calling ME that instead of me suggesting you don't know that you're doing that. Oopsy poopsie.
Well #1 IF I did that it would be due to your trouble in answering direct questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
#2 Aren't you doing that exact same thing to me right now?
Oh so I'm a "fat, trustafarian, call center worker"....I'm trying to think of the other things you've accused me of being but they're just so all over the place it's hard to keep track, but keep it up, it's like reading a MadLib filled out by a retard.
I know full well why they wear yellow vests because of the fuel rise taxes etc but also because i have friends here and over there who have put boots on the ground because either they live there, they have friends and family there and so visit often or because in my brothers case the whole Gilet Jaunes movement formed the basis of several essays which formed one of his research proposals. But no go ahead you tell me from fucking thousands of miles away how you and Gandalf, who laughingly actually post videos from Murdoch and The Sun and laud Boris and the Billionaire MSM that you fucking lap up when it suits you, have the inside edge and don't just regurgitate the propaganda from the mainstream media. The whole Gilet Jaunes movement is an organic thing in a long tradition that include everyone across the spectrum from Fascists to Leftists and everything inbetween. A truly libertarian idea that would stick right in the craw of your identity politics driven agenda. Much like the anti-fascist movement or the Hong Kong riots you can not comprehend a broad coalition of common ordinary people working together because you and Gandalf want to be part of the Elite. You proclaim yourselves as special constantly reminding us how your numpty heavily re-dacted version of the West is Best and how you are both flying the flag for white kids with guns..security guards with guns, cops with guns, armies to shoot protestors with guns etc
When actual evidence of a conspiracy against the British people is presented to either of you it is of no interest unless is supports your blinkered and backwards racist agenda. Instead you actively promote the work of Cummings, Banks, Farrage, Murdoch, the Barclay Brothers etc.
(And again as evidence that neither of you even read let alone listen to anyone else but yourselves and your inane repetitive bullshit about welfare and single mothers and immigrants and white rights for terminally dull virtue signally hipsters, my Mrs Dad did not travel to France for treatment at all. He has been there for months and that got taken ill.)
It is amazing how a pair of Liverpool 'fans' like you two, neither of whom come from or live in the city are so easily led by Boris and Murdoch who both accused 'pissed up' Liverpool fans of causing tragedy, and yet you think you are sticking up for the average working bloke or that you both dare to suggest Boris represents them. Boris? another elite prick from fucking Eton and the Bullingdon club. ;D
George is on the button here and so is the Taxi Driver that Gandalf threw under a bus when he spoke up for the working poor to much and refused to smear Corbyn with lies ( notice how Gandalf stopped posting his stuff when Molyneuax and Peterson told him who was censored and not censored ? much like you with McInnes and Fox and the fucked up QAnon shit that you repeat without ever engaging your brain)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlxiYVEzK5s
Disaster capitalism is not in the interests of ordinary working people
From the financial data publicly available, Byline Times can reveal that currently £4,563,350,000 (£4.6 billion) of aggregate short positions on a ‘no deal’ Brexit have been taken out by hedge funds that directly or indirectly bankrolled Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign.
Most of these firms also donated to Vote Leave and took out short positions on the EU Referendum result. The ones which didn’t typically didn’t exist at that time but are invariably connected via directorships to companies that did.
Another £3,711,000,000 (£3.7 billion) of these short positions have been taken out by firms that donated to the Vote Leave campaign, but did not donate directly to the Johnson leadership campaign.
Currently, £8,274,350,000 (£8.3 billion) of aggregate short positions has been taken out by hedge funds connected to the Prime Minister and his Vote Leave campaign, run by his advisor Dominic Cummings, on a ‘no deal’ Brexit.
THE DISASTER CAPITALISM CLUB
Vote Leave Backers who Made Billions from Brexit
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Peter Jukes
Does this £8 billion bet explain why the Prime Minister has said that he would rather “die in a ditch” before asking the EU for an extension? Is it the reason why Johnson is willing to defy the Benn Act that stops a ‘no deal’ Brexit? Is the £8 billion any kind of motivation to prorogue Parliament?
Under the Ministerial Code, Government ministers must have “no actual or perceived conflicts of interest”. But what could be a bigger conflict of interest than those bankrolling the Prime Minister also having a vast financial interest in a catastrophe for Britain?
In fact to make it clear where I stand I will reiterate one more time. I am an economic socialist, meaning those with excessive wealth pay more in tax than those with little wealth. We create a society of equality of opportunity and the outcome is whatever you decide it should be. That is another reason I believe in CONTROLLED migration as welfare is for those within who need it and the jobs for those within who can mostly do them. British people first.
My stance on the EU is the same as on Scotland or Hong Kong. I think people should run their own countries free from the control of supranational states. I wanted the Scots to leave, I want Hong Kong to be left alone. There is no comparison of Hong Kong and Remainers. The Hong Kong protestors are more akin to Brexit supporters as it is about being against an over controlling super power. Working class people mostly want to leave, it is the middle classes who want to remain. Ordinary people just want their country and if some are getting rich from it, then that is inevitable. Financiers gamble and that is neither here nor there with me. It is the principle of the matter. You can have an image of Mogg in your head all you like with me, Beanz. However, I am not someone born into wealth and what I have is tiny by comparison, so rather than being a 'Tory all about the money' you will find it is actually something far more simple and aligned with the ordinary man which is a belief in a nation state making its own decisions and the electorate in turn holding the parties to account. I always put forth Iceland as a model I rather like.
At the end of the day No Deal will shock the EU who is laughing at you and it gives Britain a chance to get on with things and readjust and readjust it will. Being part of the EU has not increased standards of living for many countries in it. Look at the state of Southern Europe today and the debts of France and the chaos of letting in millions of people all too many of whom have gone on to rape and murder innocent people in Europe. It is awful. Britain leaving sends a message to others and the EU knows it whence behind closed doors admitting it is their intention to make things worse. It sounds like an abusive relationship. You want to leave and they want to 'make it worse'? That is not operating in good faith and so that is why I prefer a good shock and the people know that there will be a temporary hit on the exchange rate and a few things like that, but all you care about is the money, so rather than me being the money man it is the only argument remainers have: 'Our coffee will go up for a bit. Aaaargh! Who will massage my feet? Aaargh!' Lame. Life will go on and there is indeed more to life than money and the good times will return. The world did not collapse after the Brexit vote and neither will it collapse with a No Deal.
Plus Labour is all over the place and ready for extinction. Listen to this nonsense. Corbyn shown telling lies and Thornberry all over the place. Get out and get it over and done with. Have some pride and faith. You are British, so quit with the sob stories because your Dad sowed his seeds on a spree across Europe. Nobody cares.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjSwq-RfKvk
Scotland voted to stay as part of a Union and thus you have to respect that at the end of the day. I would have done the same with Brexit and if the people of Hong Kong were to be given a referendum right now on independence I would respect that too. There is no flip floppery on this. You respect the will of the people and a referendum is as democratic as you can get and when Johnson has offered a man who has requested an election 35 times in years a deciding election and it is turned down and Thornberry says 'We will negotiate but still do a referendum even though in 2017 our manifesto said we would respect the referendum'. Well, people are not impressed and all the remainers do is moan about the economy which is now blooming. Strange times.
The Labour position is fair and sensible compared to Liberal Democrats who now may just ignore the referendum result and remain in EU without another referendum. There is nothing democratic about that position.
I think Labour is all over the place whence the polls and even Piers Morgan looking clever.
Then the Lib Dems had at their gathering the EU bloke who actually admitted on camera his intent was to make things worse for Britain. He is like one of those American Alimony women.
Then you have Farage saying May's deal was garbage and Johnson seemingly willing to just get it over with with a potential No Deal.
I think it is turning a lot of people Tory as they have had enough posturing and want action. No Deal should have been laid down from the off and the UK would have been on the mend by now. Very poor on the part of the remainer May.
Gandalf doesn't care about reason or truth. Look how low he will go in order to like EL Kabong never admit to being so easily duped. It is just outright lies now. They don't read anything anyone else posts or watch anything either. They are in some kind of new alt right bubble that is quite clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
You have a coup by an extreme group of disaster capitalist who have used The Mail, The Sun and the Telegraph constantly spreading lies and disinformation with Nigel Farrage, William Hague and Boris Johnson actually writing the articles and they then quote them back at people as though it is evidence? The has never been anyone more reliant on mainstream media or supporting neo liberal politics than the pair of them.
It is actually very sad in Gandalf's case to see a man who once was quite able and willing to challenge the mainstream narrative and the whole military industrial complex now come out in support of racist nationalists using people like Piers Morgan and Rees Mogg to try and justify scuppering a countries economy and infrastructure in the name of personal enrichment and tehn to paint Corbyn as an enemy for wanting to unite a very divided country and the sin of being a pragmatist.
Gandalf and El Kabong are the worst kind of idealogues they would smash up anything just like ISIS would, destroying heritage that belongs to the world in order to have the final say. It is a political scouring , a scorched earth policy of burning the undesirables, the immigrant, the refugee, those on welfare including pensioners and the working poor to make room for their weird out of touch fantasy of a country that few living here would recognise.
Nobody is saying that we should ape Germany or France. Germany has a terrible wealth inequality problem and you only have to look at the golden desks of those in power in France to see that they too do not represent the people they claim to. I don't go out and drink Coffee for fucks sake this is England we drink Tea just like Ireland. Fucking hell man they do not even try and hide the lets make the UK the USA's 51st state stuff anymore. I am worried about my Mrs not having her epilepsy medication, worried about my family having to jump through so many hoops to travel and work in Europe with their families. Worried about the lack of contingency planning that will mean the exchange programs between universities and arts organisations in Britain and the UK will wither and die, businesses will fold, and we will become isolationist and inward looking like El Gand Bong, our lives one long existential howl about how we don't want to eat foreign vegetables and how awful music with a bassline is.
Let us just leave like adults and not have spoilt cunts from Eaton pulling out without warning just like their Dads should have done years ago
You don't half go on a bit, don't you? Do you not understand the concept of a nation state and how that has operated so well and for so many people around the world? Forcing groups together by force does not end very well and so if people have decided to avoid a suprastate, then what is the ideological problem? Piers Morgan is a remainer, but at least he had the decency to call out nonsense where he saw it.
See you are admitting that your motivations are selfish ones Beanz. It is all about your wife and half siblings. Do you honestly think the UK,the 5th largest economy will not be able to procure medicine? You really think living in Europe will be an issue despite far more Europeans living in the UK? And even then, how do you think us lot get on? I have friends here ynmarried for a decade and just fine. I think ye buys into project fear a little too much.
If the EU gives the UK a hard time, then maybe that tells you about the EU. You don't stay in an abusive relationship where you are dictated to just because it pays. You leave as a matter of principle.
And you do live in the UK right and know that Brits procured coffee through its empire a very long time ago. Brits drink coffee and indeed tea. And there is nothing wrong with the bass.
You are so full of shit it is bubbling over. A no deal Brexit is in nobodies interest but the disaster capitalists that you are so heavily invested in. There are far more important things to be getting on with and yet here you are pretending that worrying about a reliable supply of a medicine that literally keeps people alive is an example of me being selfish. Like El Kabong it is all a joke to you because I have rarely met an ex-pat who gives less of a shit about Britain than you, unless it is to virtue signal your own supposed Englishness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why don't you just be honest and move to America the superstate of your dreams?