Barrera v Khan - WEIGH IN VID - Plus Undercard - STICKY!

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Con can't seriously expect credit for that

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How can you not give him credit? The cut was a shame but Khan dominated that fight.

If it was Marquez or Casamayor in there you'd be saying he looked awesome.

Khan won every single round, it was a domination.

To be honest the cut was probably good for Barrera as it gives him an excuse.

If he hadn't have got cut he would still have been totally dominated.

Khan was too big, too fast, too young, too slick.

Ok he's got a weak chin, but apart from that he is absolutely world class.

Let the haters hate, but he will go on from here to bigger and better things

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There's a big difference. Casamayor beat a younger, stronger Katsidis. Marquez beat a younger, stronger Diaz. Con beat an older, weaker Barrera who was fighting handicapped. Surely even you of all people can see the difference. Right?

Like my sig says, "Boxing has never promised anyone happy endings." And this was not a very happy one for MAB who should have retired after his last fight in which he also suffered a cut. It's over. Let's move on.... The great days of Morelas, MAB, Larios, etc are behind us. It's time for a new generation of fighters.

For the record I've got nothing against Amir.
I've defended the kid and actually like his style.

My rant here is nothing against him, if you read my posts my flacks with MAB and his team.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I just don't get it...

I mean Guerrero just did this the other night. He knew eventually they'd pull the plug on the fight and IMO he was getting beat. Would he have not opened his mouth and said he couldn't see they would have let him fight on.

You'd think a team that's been on the world stage this long would know and think ahead about situations like this. I kept telling my friend here they need to pull the plug before the 4th or this will end in favor of Khan by points. All Khan has to do is make it past the 4th...

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Yeah and look at all the flack Guerrero got, even threads created about how he was heartless. Hasim Rahman got the same when he bailed on his fight with James Toney.

You can't just change the rules because it's a fighter you like against one you don't think is worthy to hold the spitoon between rounds whilst he's sparring.

Khan would have beat him headbutt or not, anyone should be able to see that.

Khan boxed brilliantly, it was a superb, controlled, punch perfect performance.

Sad that it ended like that but come on guys let's give Amir credit.

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Well whoever created those threads and said he's heartless need to jump in the ring themselves and see what it's like....

I think the cut had A LOT to do with how the fight went. For starters vision second the fight would have gone on longer and third I think the fight would have gotten better as it wore on.

As I said nothing against Amir, but I think it's pretty stupid for MABs team to have let this go on. I wish there was a way I could put my friend on here so he could tell you what I was telling him. I pretty much described the way the fight would end. It was pretty clear to me the fight was gonna be stopped once it went past the 4th.

What I'm saying is if your in a situation like this one, why continue?
The fights gonna be stopped on the cut.
Your loosing rounds.
The bleedings not gonna stop.

His team should have seen this and should have advised him to walk away.

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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Khan gets no credit he foguht a fighter with one eye and did nothing to him.
Barrera caught almost all of those punches with his gloves.

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And Barerra was never able to get off because Khan wouldn't let him.

Seriously can you give him some credit? If he had went in there and fought stupid Barerra would have caught him with.

Khan deserves credit. No excuses.

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Ok yeh Khan won.
Puttin aside the whole cut thing....

Khan fought someone who he has speed, "slickness", height and huge age advantage over, who was fightin with one eye and wasn't goin forward at him and all Khan could do is hit his gloves...
I mean WDF?
What did Khan accomplish?

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He accomplished keeping Barerra from getting off. From not letting him get set. Not letting him land anything truly flush, and keeping his defense up at the times Barerra would try to get off. Keeping him at a distance and fighting his fight while never letting Barerra into it.

Khan accomplished a lot.

But then what do you end up with, A NC.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Con can't seriously expect credit for that

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How can you not give him credit? The cut was a shame but Khan dominated that fight.

If it was Marquez or Casamayor in there you'd be saying he looked awesome.

Khan won every single round, it was a domination.

To be honest the cut was probably good for Barrera as it gives him an excuse.

If he hadn't have got cut he would still have been totally dominated.

Khan was too big, too fast, too young, too slick.

Ok he's got a weak chin, but apart from that he is absolutely world class.

Let the haters hate, but he will go on from here to bigger and better things

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There's a big difference. Casamayor beat a younger, stronger Katsidis. Marquez beat a younger, stronger Diaz. Con beat an older, weaker Barrera who was fighting handicapped. Surely even you of all people can see the difference. Right?

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Wouldnt Marquez be considered older, out of his weight class, weaker, handicapped. When he fought the younger, stronger, Diaz? Did he win?

I don't think anyone on here is calling Khan a world beater after that, but that's not the point, if you look at the fight and see how vastly he's improved, that's what's important.

He wasn't really fighting a shot fighter, he was fighting the memories of Prescott and his own insecurities in the ring, which by that performance, in a fight which was touted to go either way before it began, is damn good in my eyes.

Credit where it's due to a great gameplan executed to perfection by Khan and Freddie Roach.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

But then what do you end up with, A NC.

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I would rather have a NC then a loss. :)

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Originally Posted by holmcall

But then what do you end up with, A NC.

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an NC and a rematch in which if there is no cut Khan does it against an even older now Barerra. And if Khan wins that one people would say "Barerra showed he was shot in the first fight, I'll give Khan no credit for proving it."

Khan isn't gonna win regardless of what he does.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

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Originally Posted by Majesty

And Barerra was never able to get off because Khan wouldn't let him.

Seriously can you give him some credit? If he had went in there and fought stupid Barerra would have caught him with.

Khan deserves credit. No excuses.

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Ok yeh Khan won.
Puttin aside the whole cut thing....

Khan fought someone who he has speed, "slickness", height and huge age advantage over, who was fightin with one eye and wasn't goin forward at him and all Khan could do is hit his gloves...
I mean WDF?
What did Khan accomplish?

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He accomplished keeping Barerra from getting off. From not letting him get set. Not letting him land anything truly flush, and keeping his defense up at the times Barerra would try to get off. Keeping him at a distance and fighting his fight while never letting Barerra into it.

Khan accomplished a lot.

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He opened a bad cut with his head and won a few rounds with flashy hands and then the fight was stopped on a technicality. I don't think he accomplished a lot at all. He showed a lot of improvements but he didnt beat Barrera fair and square.

Mick is right, the corner team was stupid and Marco obviously has his pride. It should have been stopped earlier. Khan did NOT deserve this win. It's sad to see a fight that promised so much end like that.

It was strange that in round 4 when he was talking to the doc and ref it wasnt stopped then. MAB said himself that he thought it should have been stopped sooner. Id like to hear what was said between them. And the cut was spewing blood the same that round as the next.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

How can you not give him credit? The cut was a shame but Khan dominated that fight.

If it was Marquez or Casamayor in there you'd be saying he looked awesome.

Khan won every single round, it was a domination.

To be honest the cut was probably good for Barrera as it gives him an excuse.

If he hadn't have got cut he would still have been totally dominated.

Khan was too big, too fast, too young, too slick.

Ok he's got a weak chin, but apart from that he is absolutely world class.

Let the haters hate, but he will go on from here to bigger and better things

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There's a big difference. Casamayor beat a younger, stronger Katsidis. Marquez beat a younger, stronger Diaz. Con beat an older, weaker Barrera who was fighting handicapped. Surely even you of all people can see the difference. Right?

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Wouldnt Marquez be considered older, out of his weight class, weaker, handicapped. When he fought the younger, stronger, Diaz? Did he win?

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Ah yeah that's kind of what i'm trying to get at. A younger fighter beating up and older, weaker fighter does mean as much as an older fighter beating up a younger, stronger fighter

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Ok yeh Khan won.
Puttin aside the whole cut thing....

Khan fought someone who he has speed, "slickness", height and huge age advantage over, who was fightin with one eye and wasn't goin forward at him and all Khan could do is hit his gloves...
I mean WDF?
What did Khan accomplish?

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He accomplished keeping Barerra from getting off. From not letting him get set. Not letting him land anything truly flush, and keeping his defense up at the times Barerra would try to get off. Keeping him at a distance and fighting his fight while never letting Barerra into it.

Khan accomplished a lot.

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He opened a bad cut with his head and won a few rounds with flashy hands and then the fight was stopped on a technicality. I don't think he accomplished a lot at all. He showed a lot of improvements but he didnt beat Barrera fair and square.

Mick is right, the corner team was stupid and Marco obviously has his pride. It should have been stopped earlier. Khan did NOT deserve this win. It's sad to see a fight that promised so much end like that.

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What else could Barerra have done differently to win the fight then? If the cut was such a huge factor in his losing tell me, what would or could barerra have done differently to win that fight? because obviously nothing he was doing up to that point was working.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

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Originally Posted by Majesty

And Barerra was never able to get off because Khan wouldn't let him.

Seriously can you give him some credit? If he had went in there and fought stupid Barerra would have caught him with.

Khan deserves credit. No excuses.

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Ok yeh Khan won.
Puttin aside the whole cut thing....

Khan fought someone who he has speed, "slickness", height and huge age advantage over, who was fightin with one eye and wasn't goin forward at him and all Khan could do is hit his gloves...
I mean WDF?
What did Khan accomplish?

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He accomplished keeping Barerra from getting off. From not letting him get set. Not letting him land anything truly flush, and keeping his defense up at the times Barerra would try to get off. Keeping him at a distance and fighting his fight while never letting Barerra into it.

Khan accomplished a lot.

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All that i highlighted in black was because Barrera couldn't see out if one eye.
Khan did nothin to Barrera but give him the cut.
The least Khan could have done to show dominance over a completely shelled Barrera was Knock him down or somethin.
What did you give Khan credit for lasting 4 1/2 rounds with a Barrera who was covered up 95% of the time and on the ropes until the fight was stopped on a accidental headbutt?

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

It was strange that in round 4 when he was talking to the doc and ref it wasnt stopped then. MAB said himself that he thought it should have been stopped sooner. Id like to hear what was said between them. And the cut was spewing blood the same that round as the next.

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I noticed that too. I was thinking Barrera was just showing his pride though and actually expected him to stop before the end of the round and yet he came out for the 5th. He had no need to do that. Its fishy to me, I would like to know what happened there too.