Scientific Fraud

Although a few months old (March 2015), there is an interesting article on that edition of National Geographic magazine on science, called "The War on Science". It made for very interesting reading, and of course I thought a lot about this particular thread while reading the article. (Yes... I read the entire article and found it very interesting). The basic thread of the article is about today's skepticism about scientific theories and studies. Of course, this skepticism has always existed in some form or another throughout time... but as the article states... with the advent of the Internet, Google, and the smorgasbord of information now available to everyone... it seems more prevalent now.

I found the article to be well-written, without a huge slant one way or another. It's basically designed to make one think about things in a more objective, less critical manner.

Unless of course, it's just a massive conspiracy and undertaking by the scientific community to attack the skeptics. ;)

The hysteria which people attack "deniers" with is ridiculous...."How old do you believe the Earth is?" ....like I've got to be some sort of Uber Creationist fanatic to even dare DOUBT the folks coming with this 'Day After Tomorrow' bullshit.

Ask these folks about solar cycles "Well, we're still learning a lot"....ah, but you're CERTAIN mankind is causing climate change? As them about El Nino/La Nina cycles "Well, we're still learning a lot"....but you're still 100% CERTAIN man is ruining the Earth....uh huh, thought so.

Big winter as in a mini ice age by 2030 the scientists said yesterday. By measuring the magnetic waves of the suns pulses they recon they got this forecast down to 97% accurate.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Although a few months old (March 2015), there is an interesting article on that edition of National Geographic magazine on science, called "The War on Science". It made for very interesting reading, and of course I thought a lot about this particular thread while reading the article. (Yes... I read the entire article and found it very interesting). The basic thread of the article is about today's skepticism about scientific theories and studies. Of course, this skepticism has always existed in some form or another throughout time... but as the article states... with the advent of the Internet, Google, and the smorgasbord of information now available to everyone... it seems more prevalent now.

I found the article to be well-written, without a huge slant one way or another. It's basically designed to make one think about things in a more objective, less critical manner.

Unless of course, it's just a massive conspiracy and undertaking by the scientific community to attack the skeptics. ;)

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The internet is the big equalizer.

It is as if the business and political world have pocketed their own scientists.
So a discussion on science, to climate change is immediately questioned from the perspective of the source without considering the information given.
Darn the logic, if it didn't come from a source one respects.

I am confident there are scientists, meteorologists, to climatologists that work for the love of their craft and not for the politicization of their craft.

Just a few left....

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Originally Posted by SlimTrae

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Although a few months old (March 2015), there is an interesting article on that edition of National Geographic magazine on science, called "The War on Science". It made for very interesting reading, and of course I thought a lot about this particular thread while reading the article. (Yes... I read the entire article and found it very interesting). The basic thread of the article is about today's skepticism about scientific theories and studies. Of course, this skepticism has always existed in some form or another throughout time... but as the article states... with the advent of the Internet, Google, and the smorgasbord of information now available to everyone... it seems more prevalent now.

I found the article to be well-written, without a huge slant one way or another. It's basically designed to make one think about things in a more objective, less critical manner.

Unless of course, it's just a massive conspiracy and undertaking by the scientific community to attack the skeptics. ;)

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The internet is the big equalizer.

It is as if the business and political world have pocketed their own scientists.
So a discussion on science, to climate change is immediately questioned from the perspective of the source without considering the information given.
Darn the logic, if it didn't come from a source one respects.

I am confident there are scientists, meteorologists, to climatologists that work for the love of their craft and not for the politicization of their craft.

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I know Slim... but doesn't that create the famous "ostrich syndrome" in your opinion? All this easy access to information is great... but a bad side effect is that now we're all "experts" on everything and skeptical like never before. The good information gets lost with the bad. Take medical science, for instance. All of a sudden everyone's an expert on their own bodies and heath... to the point where doctors are routinely second-guessed. I'm not saying a little knowledge is bad... but to what degree? The same goes for climatology.

The aforementioned "National Geographic" article includes the following passage:

"Science appeals to our rational brain, but our beliefs are motivated largely by emotion, and the biggest motivation is remaining tight with our peers. "We're all in high school. We've never left high school," says Marcia McNutt. "People still have a need to fit in, and that need to fit in is so strong that local values and local opinions are always trumping science. And they will continue to trump science, especially when there is no clear downside to ignoring science.""


You combine the glut on information with this "need to fit in", local demographics, political beliefs, and special interest groups... not to mention the existence of some either incompetent and/or corrupt scientists (like there are in any profession).... and it's no wonder we've become a society of skeptics.

Well said.
So the great equalizer is also the great compromiser.


For every website about anything, there is another rebuking it.

Tito Trinidad was a great boxer.com
Tito the hands wrapped artist.com

Damn, what do we do????:-\:eek:

BTW, I PREFER that first website.;D

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Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Well said.
So the great equalizer is also the great compromiser.


For every website about anything, there is another rebuking it.

Tito Trinidad was a great boxer.com
Tito the hands wrapped artist.com

Damn, what do we do????:-\:eek:

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Easy. ;D


You ignore the ignorant, bitter, misguided, false website...... and go with the one that speaks the truth.

Well....
Arctic ice 'grew by a third' after cool summer in 2013 - BBC News

World Breaks Temperature Record as Climate Summit Nears - Bloomberg Business

Good news bad news I suppose :rolleyes:

How did we get to this point?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaNYcZmu3to

I admit it is too hard to take that video seriously. Again when African-Americans are defended by Conservatives: they are defending Blacks right to be conservative & that's it.

And Mr. Coyne the "balogney" Maloney is yet another Reaganite. Only I laugh at his desire to be the right's anecdote to Michael Moor. Be better than that. Colleges are fucking up big time nationwide- especially their tuition. Maybe he states it- & I didn't watch it, but from what I've seen his point is about the "liberal" establishment denying free speech to Right Wing thinkers, not exposing the "many" fucked up things with colleges today. He mentions just (one). I agree with it, but it should come from someone who has no ties to either party/ideology.

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I admit it is too hard to take that video seriously. Again when African-Americans are defended by Conservatives: they are defending Blacks right to be conservative & that's it.

And Mr. Coyne the "balogney" Maloney is yet another Reaganite. Only I laugh at his desire to be the right's anecdote to Michael Moor. Be better than that. Colleges are fucking up big time nationwide- especially their tuition. Maybe he states it- & I didn't watch it, but from what I've seen his point is about the "liberal" establishment denying free speech to Right Wing thinkers, not exposing the "many" fucked up things with colleges today. He mentions just (one). I agree with it, but it should come from someone who has no ties to either party/ideology.

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Well it is a very long documentary I do admit, but to hit out at the messenger rather than taking an actual look at his message is missing the point.

Conservatives in THIS case are acting like the dictionary definition of what a Liberal is (open minded, valuing everyone as equals, etc). They are pushing for freedom of individual expression, individual rights and Universities are being "progressive" which is American code for Marxist, Communist, Authoritarian.

Let me point this out to you, Bill Maher was banned from speaking at UC Berkley AND he was called a "blatant bigot" and "racist" for his views on Islam (because, obviously Islam is a race :rolleyes: ) ....now I don't agree with Bill Maher, in fact I vehemently disagree with him OFTEN, but as an American I feel he should speak as there are others who have spoken at colleges who offer much more troubling views than anything Bill Maher for example Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was allowed to speak at Columbia University...who offered up a larger threat? Who held more ridiculous views?
https://www.change.org/p/university-...ber-graduation

You're looking at this as though Maloney just set out to sell this as though only Republicans are suppressed on college campuses...that is simply not the case. Maloney was raised by not just Democrats but hardcore involved Democrats, and when he was in college the idea and acceptance of "The United States deserving 9/11" was what set him against that way of thinking.

I was apolitical in college, but that too is unacceptable if you don't agree with the OPINIONS of the Professors it can not only harm your grades but your very future!

Universities are centers of indoctrination these days, to be oblivious to that is dangerous. I was taught in school about the MS St. Louis which in 1939 had 937 refugees seeking asylum from the Nazis, I was taught that "America denied them entry." just like that, period, end of story......but my curiosity got the best of me so I asked the professor who was caught quite off guard "Sea travel in that era was long and at times treacherous due to U-boats, so did the refugees of MS St. Louis ONLY try to gain entry to America, or did they try other nations? Because if I was on that ship, I would have gone anywhere but back to Germany." and only after a very plain common sense question, the rest of the story was torturously pulled from the mouth of that professor...."Yes, yes they did try other countries." There is a great disservice and danger to telling half truths, and yes I do believe my professor at that time was attempting to get the classroom in a "blame America first" mindset which is the default setting for establishment academics....just look at Noam Chomsky, rabid anti-American and says education is for the indoctrination of children.....not for opening the mind, not for teaching students to question, not for teaching students to think for themselves, but for INDOCTRINATION....and who are the professors? MARXISTS and COMMUNISTS!

The speech codes at these universities are to keep students in line, they are to comply or else. In that video you had a Kuwaiti refugee saying that the United States involvement in the Persian Gulf War saved his life and the lives of his families....he was told that this view was unacceptable and bigoted....that is how bat shit crazy colleges have become.

but to hit out at the messenger rather than taking an actual look at his message is missing the point.

The messenger in this case- is the one who put the message together- its his docu- so he's not passing along something someone else put together. I'm simply acknowledging (his) history of exposing- Now that doesn't make it false as I stated I agree with his message. Just not coming from someone who hasn't found issues in capitalism or conservatism, strictly liberalism- which to the right; is a code word for Marxism and socialism. Find a conservative that is exposing something & I guarantee it's not in their own camp. Find a Conservative defending an African-American- and it's about their right to think as a Conservative and nothing more.

This docu starts off with African-American speaking & they are getting dogged on those campuses, correct? :) 1st dude couldn't even talk-because he was interrupted outright .

Blacks couldn't accept this dude as a Conservative-so the documentary does an excellent job of him being called an Uncle Tom, the woman an Aunt Tom or Thomastina?;D


Universities are centers of indoctrination these days, to be oblivious to that is dangerous.

I agree- But many have pointed it out back in the late 1800s. Conservative thinkers or whites in general found no problem with the indoctrination in these so-called centers of higher learning teaching that Africa-Americans had never produced a civilization that didn't falter. Rather than picket or protest like Maloney-- great minds established Spelman & Morehouse colleges to (properly) educate this demographic in Education & theology.

Now that the demographic representing an ideology called conservatism is being denied the right to speak their minds---well NOW these institutions are indoctrinating.

In that video you had a Kuwaiti refugee saying that the United States involvement in the Persian Gulf War saved his life and the lives of his families.

Individual stories can blur the line- for every life saved- there is one that was lost. - That (one) person, thankful for his family didn't consider how many families died as result- and this video made sure it wouldn't point it out.


I don't know the circumstances of why the Kuwaiti refugee was called bigoted- But I do know why his own people would've had a problem with him being thankful: he was looking at himself and not the whole of his country that DIDN'T benefit from the Persian Gulf War


It would be just for colleges & Universities to explore both sides and not one for the other.
Then discuss it. (IT) As how the war gave refugees like him a chance. Then discuss how the war also caused an untold number of little girls to get caught up in a world wide prostitution market. No one has those numbers of the possibly tens of thousands of 5 years old and UP- that were taken from their homeland by evil men looking to profit on a porous border that was left alone- in order to protect oil fields for global corporations that placed Iraq in PSA Agreements aka Production Sharing Agreements.

I reiterate- these campuses also need to be held accountable for the outrageous tuitions. That topic is so not-partisan. It doesn't bash conservatives, liberals- it bashes the money baron profiting on our institutions of so-called higher learning. Too bad in all of his documentaries he doesn't see the need to expose that. He'd be called objective by me if he did.