Ward is one the top 3-5 best boxers on the planet. Future 1 P4P maybe.
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Ward is one the top 3-5 best boxers on the planet. Future 1 P4P maybe.
Fully aware of that no doubt, but it's funny seeing him fully abuse British fighters when they lose. I don't rise to it. Froch lost and I have no shame in saying it. Froch admitted it himself and he wasn't bitching either. The better fighter won and by no means VD does that mean Froch is a fraud. He will give us more entertainment when he fights against fighters who aren't as commanding as Ward. Ward proved his class tonight and will continue to do that. Froch will hopefully get some big fights too, I really hope he pushes for a Kessler rematch that will no doubt be another war. Froch can still win fights at 168 and he is still in the top 3-4 in the weightclass. He could still fight Bute if he wins or loses to Ward. Froch if he can fight/beat Kessler will still be up there with the best. Better luck next time carl, you still a great fighter and look forward to seeing you in again soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Tam, a little advise, Venereal disease is here for one reason, to talk trash about Froch, troll, and stir up shit on the boxing forum ignore the fucking cretin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonHow is Froch a fraud ? your not a fraud for getting to the final. Yeah Froch lost but it shows how good ward actually is. He will clean up the 168 weight class and will no doubt keep on beating the best. Froch got beaten by the better fighter there's no shame in that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Froch never seemed to be all that effective with his punches, he did catch Ward from time to time, but too few and far in-between. I give Ward all the credit for this, he smothered Froch's punches, landed some nice shots and kept him on the defensive much of the night. Ward is sort of like a poor man's Mayweather, slick, decent skills, but 3 times more nauseating .
Impressive win for Ward? I guess, but who really cares, i'd rather watch two buzzards fuck, than see another one of Andre Ward's fights.
Just follow along on the boards, and we'll tell you about it when he beats Bute; you won't have to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by NuthaPugWell if that shoe fit, I'd wear it. Since it doesn't, I won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWard won the fight and was the better man on the night. I scored it as fairly as I could which was 9-3 Ward. I give him his dues in that regard, but am I excited about seeing him fight and do I like his style? Not really, I find it dull. I'm also not really sure about thanking the saints who have prayed for him. That is just weirdo talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
I find it funny when boxing fans talk about hating. Any criticism is deemed hate on these forums. It's much easier to just stick labels on people with many opinions rather than accepting that their criticisms are just as valid and certainly more honest than those who just want to talk about pink fluffy rainbows all night long.
Criticism is one thing, and hate is another. Easily distinguished. Your points are true in a general way, but if you read this thread you'll see that they aren't pertinent here.
I don't see much criticism of Ward. Wishing that his next boxing match would put him in a coma ... criticism or hate? He's a douche ... criticism or hate? Those aren't "opinions" or "critques."
You know, I'm sure, what you can do with your fluffy pink rainbow, so I won't bother to offer any suggestions.
As far as Ward's style - it wasn't the most exciting. But it was effective. He could have stayed outside and it would have been even more boring. But he took it inside - all the way inside - avoiding Froch's comfortable range. He took it right to Froch, and fought a smart fight. Not sure what you find exciting but I actually respect something like this more than Mickey Ward and Gatti, even though there's more energy level with the bloody war.
Your comments anti-Ward are not what I consider hate. They don't quite rise to the level of intelligent criticism, either. You are really just talking about yourself - what kind of fights you do and don't like. Were you being critical, we'd learn something about Ward by reading what you say. Instead, we just learn about you.
Ward is a douche. He's a total douchebag, but he's also one of the top three fighters in the world.
I can't stand the guy and listening to him spew all his arrogant religious bullshit drives me crazy, but he's not likely to lose for a long time.
I'd have him at number 3. I don't really see much of an argument for putting Hopkins or Martinez above him, but I'm sure many will disagree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Well like I said in my last post, Carl just never looked comfortable in there tonight, and I give the credit for that to Ward, he's a very hard man for anyone to fight. What might have made a big difference for Froch would have been able to catch Ward with some big shots, but he never was able to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFully aware of that no doubt, but it's funny seeing him fully abuse British fighters when they lose. I don't rise to it. Froch lost and I have no shame in saying it. Froch admitted it himself and he wasn't bitching either. The better fighter won and by no means VD does that mean Froch is a fraud. He will give us more entertainment when he fights against fighters who aren't as commanding as Ward. Ward proved his class tonight and will continue to do that. Froch will hopefully get some big fights too, I really hope he pushes for a Kessler rematch that will no doubt be another war. Froch can still win fights at 168 and he is still in the top 3-4 in the weightclass. He could still fight Bute if he wins or loses to Ward. Froch if he can fight/beat Kessler will still be up there with the best. Better luck next time carl, you still a great fighter and look forward to seeing you in again soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axTam, a little advise, Venereal disease is here for one reason, to talk trash about Froch, troll, and stir up shit on the boxing forum ignore the fucking cretin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonHow is Froch a fraud ? your not a fraud for getting to the final. Yeah Froch lost but it shows how good ward actually is. He will clean up the 168 weight class and will no doubt keep on beating the best. Froch got beaten by the better fighter there's no shame in that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
No, it isn't intelligent criticism to say that you don't enjoy a fighters style nor enjoy their post fight babble. It is just an opinion and it is valid on its own terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPugWell if that shoe fit, I'd wear it. Since it doesn't, I won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWard won the fight and was the better man on the night. I scored it as fairly as I could which was 9-3 Ward. I give him his dues in that regard, but am I excited about seeing him fight and do I like his style? Not really, I find it dull. I'm also not really sure about thanking the saints who have prayed for him. That is just weirdo talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
I find it funny when boxing fans talk about hating. Any criticism is deemed hate on these forums. It's much easier to just stick labels on people with many opinions rather than accepting that their criticisms are just as valid and certainly more honest than those who just want to talk about pink fluffy rainbows all night long.
Criticism is one thing, and hate is another. Easily distinguished. Your points are true in a general way, but if you read this thread you'll see that they aren't pertinent here.
I don't see much criticism of Ward. Wishing that his next boxing match would put him in a coma ... criticism or hate? He's a douche ... criticism or hate? Those aren't "opinions" or "critques."
You know, I'm sure, what you can do with your fluffy pink rainbow, so I won't bother to offer any suggestions.
As far as Ward's style - it wasn't the most exciting. But it was effective. He could have stayed outside and it would have been even more boring. But he took it inside - all the way inside - avoiding Froch's comfortable range. He took it right to Froch, and fought a smart fight. Not sure what you find exciting but I actually respect something like this more than Mickey Ward and Gatti, even though there's more energy level with the bloody war.
Your comments anti-Ward are not what I consider hate. They don't quite rise to the level of intelligent criticism, either. You are really just talking about yourself - what kind of fights you do and don't like. Were you being critical, we'd learn something about Ward by reading what you say. Instead, we just learn about you.
I responded to your post as it was earlier suggested (by another poster) that I hate American fighters and it is just blatantly untrue. I seem to get called a hater quite a lot and on the whole don't think it is hate to criticize a fighters style or what they say. You like what you like and it is typically something that connects with you in some way.
I certainly don't hate Ward, I just find him dull. I for one have no desire to see any fighter in a coma either. I can't take it that seriously. That's really nasty talk.
It's just a figure of speech. As violent as the sport is, no fan actually wants to see anyone get seriously hurt. It's just entertainment at the end of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNo, it isn't intelligent criticism to say that you don't enjoy a fighters style nor enjoy their post fight babble. It is just an opinion and it is valid on its own terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPugWell if that shoe fit, I'd wear it. Since it doesn't, I won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWard won the fight and was the better man on the night. I scored it as fairly as I could which was 9-3 Ward. I give him his dues in that regard, but am I excited about seeing him fight and do I like his style? Not really, I find it dull. I'm also not really sure about thanking the saints who have prayed for him. That is just weirdo talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
I find it funny when boxing fans talk about hating. Any criticism is deemed hate on these forums. It's much easier to just stick labels on people with many opinions rather than accepting that their criticisms are just as valid and certainly more honest than those who just want to talk about pink fluffy rainbows all night long.
Criticism is one thing, and hate is another. Easily distinguished. Your points are true in a general way, but if you read this thread you'll see that they aren't pertinent here.
I don't see much criticism of Ward. Wishing that his next boxing match would put him in a coma ... criticism or hate? He's a douche ... criticism or hate? Those aren't "opinions" or "critques."
You know, I'm sure, what you can do with your fluffy pink rainbow, so I won't bother to offer any suggestions.
As far as Ward's style - it wasn't the most exciting. But it was effective. He could have stayed outside and it would have been even more boring. But he took it inside - all the way inside - avoiding Froch's comfortable range. He took it right to Froch, and fought a smart fight. Not sure what you find exciting but I actually respect something like this more than Mickey Ward and Gatti, even though there's more energy level with the bloody war.
Your comments anti-Ward are not what I consider hate. They don't quite rise to the level of intelligent criticism, either. You are really just talking about yourself - what kind of fights you do and don't like. Were you being critical, we'd learn something about Ward by reading what you say. Instead, we just learn about you.
I responded to your post as it was earlier suggested (by another poster) that I hate American fighters and it is just blatantly untrue. I seem to get called a hater quite a lot and on the whole don't think it is hate to criticize a fighters style or what they say. You like what you like and it is typically something that connects with you in some way.
I certainly don't hate Ward, I just find him dull. I for one have no desire to see any fighter in a coma either. I can't take it that seriously. That's really nasty talk.
Hey Lobowolf, fuck off!Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXXJust follow along on the boards, and we'll tell you about it when he beats Bute; you won't have to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
j/k man, congrats on being right about the outcome, good call.
Totally. Even my Khan posts these days are extremely tongue in cheek. It makes me laugh when people take me seriously. I guess that's the price I pay for being serious in one thread and then suddenly being flippant in another. Just boxing at the end of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIt's just a figure of speech. As violent as the sport is, no fan actually wants to see anyone get seriously hurt. It's just entertainment at the end of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNo, it isn't intelligent criticism to say that you don't enjoy a fighters style nor enjoy their post fight babble. It is just an opinion and it is valid on its own terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPugWell if that shoe fit, I'd wear it. Since it doesn't, I won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWard won the fight and was the better man on the night. I scored it as fairly as I could which was 9-3 Ward. I give him his dues in that regard, but am I excited about seeing him fight and do I like his style? Not really, I find it dull. I'm also not really sure about thanking the saints who have prayed for him. That is just weirdo talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
I find it funny when boxing fans talk about hating. Any criticism is deemed hate on these forums. It's much easier to just stick labels on people with many opinions rather than accepting that their criticisms are just as valid and certainly more honest than those who just want to talk about pink fluffy rainbows all night long.
Criticism is one thing, and hate is another. Easily distinguished. Your points are true in a general way, but if you read this thread you'll see that they aren't pertinent here.
I don't see much criticism of Ward. Wishing that his next boxing match would put him in a coma ... criticism or hate? He's a douche ... criticism or hate? Those aren't "opinions" or "critques."
You know, I'm sure, what you can do with your fluffy pink rainbow, so I won't bother to offer any suggestions.
As far as Ward's style - it wasn't the most exciting. But it was effective. He could have stayed outside and it would have been even more boring. But he took it inside - all the way inside - avoiding Froch's comfortable range. He took it right to Froch, and fought a smart fight. Not sure what you find exciting but I actually respect something like this more than Mickey Ward and Gatti, even though there's more energy level with the bloody war.
Your comments anti-Ward are not what I consider hate. They don't quite rise to the level of intelligent criticism, either. You are really just talking about yourself - what kind of fights you do and don't like. Were you being critical, we'd learn something about Ward by reading what you say. Instead, we just learn about you.
I responded to your post as it was earlier suggested (by another poster) that I hate American fighters and it is just blatantly untrue. I seem to get called a hater quite a lot and on the whole don't think it is hate to criticize a fighters style or what they say. You like what you like and it is typically something that connects with you in some way.
I certainly don't hate Ward, I just find him dull. I for one have no desire to see any fighter in a coma either. I can't take it that seriously. That's really nasty talk.
Is there a good Super-middleweight around named Judas?
G'night homies, you can't win 'um all.
Good response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Yes, we watch and enjoy boxing on a subjective level, and there's nothing wrong with that. I haven't seen enough of Ward to know what is so irritating to people. Thought he did good work tonight. But I like watching Mayweather and Hopkins. And I like chess. So plodding and thoughtful isn't too boring for me.
There were a couple rounds where Ward really pushed Froch around. As i said in another post, I kept looking for another punch or two on the end of Ward's combinations. It would have made for a more impressive and outstanding fight. But maybe he knew best when he had to stop throwing and cover.
at any rate, he was convincing. I agree with suggestions that had this gone 15 rounds, we may have seen a different outcome. Ward was tuckered rounds 11 and 12.
Of course it is a figure of speech, and I didn't think differently when I read it. But it's ugly anyway, in a sport where it could happen all too easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Even understanding that it wasn't meant literally, the comment is just one example among quite a few. Ward isn't much liked by a lot of people here. And the dislike has a bit of energy to it.
Really the only point I was trying to make. I don't think he's that hard to take.
The Son of God shit is beyond annoying but I'm in a total disconnect with a lot of people on his entertainment value.
I'm never bored in his fights. He's an exciting fighter IMO :confused:
I have no issue with relentless hate though. I hate Wlad as much as Canadians love Nickelback.