Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by fightbeat
Really? Why do you reject the Ibeabuchi destruction? I think Golota beat him good too.
nobody denies he beat a guy with the belt.
I'm not sure how I bashed him? I said he made 100 excuses why he lost- fact
he held for Peter like crazy - fact
he lost to a golfer - fact
is he legit - maybe
does he have a good right hand - yes
does he have something to prove - yes
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Look...I never discounted the Ibeabuchi fight...Ike is my favorite of all the recent heavies...don't try to put words in my mouth that won't flush.
Wlad get's credit by me for what he has overcome & what he did.
In my opinion he devastated Byrd in a much more convincing fashion than Ike did...that being said...had the fight gone on Ike may have killed him...but then again...so could Wlad have.
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
I think Wlad now has the best chance of anyone out there to clean up the division. There isn't anybody else out there really. If he does as Manny Steward hinted after the fight take on Calvin Brock then we could be in for a great fight, aside from that there really isn't anybody else out there who could stop Wlad.
Not that I really rate him, I personally can't stand fighters like him who have such massive physicial advantages but are only slightly more aggressive than Audley Harrison.
Ok he knocked out Byrd, but seeing as Bryd looked like he was fighting two weight divisions below him then I ain't really impressed.
And talking of Bryd his record really isn't imppressive at all. He's only been champion for so long because of two things, 1) He's always avoided fighting any decent fighters, and 2) He only fights once a year, twice in a leap year.
An example Nicolai Valuev seems sure to follow.
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
People build you up just enough to tear you down. Wlad will ko anyones' ass at heavyweight. That list also includes that fat old guy,??? Oh yeah Toney.
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
Wladimir destroyed the #1 ring rated heavyweight in Chris Byrd!He beat him worse than any other fighter has including Ike!That article is written by a complete hack! >:mad
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
I remember a few days ago I posted something about cool clicks and was overly harsh. Looking back on it I realized I was posting with raw emotion, and not an ounce of intelligence, and of course I looked like an ass. Luckily I took the time to rethink about what I said and thank God I did cause that mistake won't happen twice. Being conscious of that now I really start to notice when people make that same mistake, not thinking before they type, but moreso feeling it. Obviously Mr. Fightbeat feels Wlad has something to prove, but has he thought about it?
Well I've thought about it, and Wlad is one bad sum bich. Theres not too many people who could of gotten past Byrd's amazing defense no matter what. You can say it's his size or this or that. It doesn't change the fact he's one of the few people who could of done it :lickish:
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by New Wind
Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by New Wind
Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
Clinching is a tool in boxing, and most true boxing finatics don't expect a casual fan like yourself to take to it all that well - rightfully so. I personally see the brilliance of it and yeah there was a time when Wlad didn't do it at all but he does now and it wins him fights over guys like Byrd and Peter.
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by New Wind
Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
Clinching is a tool in boxing, and most true boxing finatics don't expect a casual fan like yourself to take to it all that well - rightfully so. I personally see the brilliance of it and yeah there was a time when Wlad didn't do it at all but he does now and it wins him fights over guys like Byrd and Peter.
Trust me, I am far from a casual fan but based on what you just said, I can tell you who is. LOL
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Do you remember what happened when Byrd faced “The Big 0 (zero),” Fres Oquendo? If you were able to stay awake, clearly Fres won.
117-111 for Byrd? Did they score it in Braille? The NYPD marked it a felony.
What about that life-and-death struggle when Byrd cooked the “Polish Sausage,” Andrew Golota -- the same Golota that was a deer in the headlights against Brewster.
Byrd’s been shot for years!
Hell, even in their first match, Ivan Drago’s little brother plucked the Byrd Man in 12. So why, 13 years into his pro career -- WAAAAAAY past his prime, is a victory over Byrd such a big deal?
Let’s not forget that Wlad needed a life raft to survive 10 rounds with the one-hit wonder: Samuel Peter. Klitschko clutched more then a teenage couple in back of a Thunderbird. What about all the conspiracy theories floated by Team Klitschko after he self-destructed against Brewster.
Was the mystery man that drugged him ever unearthed? Or is he still on a grassy knoll in Dallas?
That Vaseline theory they conjured up was a doozy. The latest batch of K-Y jelly has a new warning label with Joe Souza’s picture: “Overuse can cause a sudden loss in courage.”
So, tell me, somebody, why should I buy into the Klitschko hype? I made a career of blasting Roy Jones for fighting Civil Service workers. What should my theory be on Wladimir losing to a golfer? The only real debate should be: who’d the favorite be against Tiger Woods?
This white supremacy nonsense is getting ridiculous. It won’t be long before Wlad’s footwork is better then Muhammad Ali, his jab’s better then Larry Holmes, and his right’s deadlier then Thomas Hearns.
Saturday night proved nothing, other then Wlad stepped on a pigeon.
Give me a break!
So what’s next for Wlad? Since older brother “peg leg” limped away from Hassim Rahman - he should be first on the list. But I’m sure it will be some mega-bout matching two giant Russians in Germany, and we’ll all have to go to Berlitz to learn who the winner is.
Lennox, we miss you.
Let me just say this...& I hate to comment so harshly on someone's writing...but this is utter bullshat!
That's the most anti-Klitschko/anti-boxing fan crap that I have ever read.
Look...I aint 100% for Wlad...but he did something that no one else has done...he knocked Byrd's a** out.
damn straight, byrd did loose to oquendo and couldnt get a W on golatta but he WASNT CLOSE TO DOMINATED IN EITHER FIGHT
not only did big vladdy get a TKO, he barley got hit and barley missed a punch on the "most ellusive" HW
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
I gotta admit, Wlad did look good in that fight. He landed clean punches against a guy that is not easy to hit and his holding wasn't as excessive as in the Peter fight but it was still blatant. Still, I think it is a double standard for guys without huge TV contracts and heavy popularity. Everyone bashed Henry Akinwande for holding Lennox Lewis and said he was a joke but look at the Wlad vs Peter fight and that one and tell me the difference. I can tell you. Wlad didn't get DQed.
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by New Wind
Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
Clinching is a tool in boxing, and most true boxing finatics don't expect a casual fan like yourself to take to it all that well - rightfully so. I personally see the brilliance of it and yeah there was a time when Wlad didn't do it at all but he does now and it wins him fights over guys like Byrd and Peter.
If Ruiz fought Wlad and beat him the same way with holding I bet you'd be all over the holding ;)
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by New Wind
Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
Some people listen more to the commentary than watch what is actually happening in the ring. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!
Clinching is a tool in boxing, and most true boxing finatics don't expect a casual fan like yourself to take to it all that well - rightfully so. I personally see the brilliance of it and yeah there was a time when Wlad didn't do it at all but he does now and it wins him fights over guys like Byrd and Peter.
If Ruiz fought Wlad and beat him the same way with holding I bet you'd be all over the holding ;)
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
Some people listen to the commentary and ignore the actual fight. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!
Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by Lyle
...ummm don't have too much to say to that other than you know very little of boxing and you're gay.
Many people complain about the clinching Wlad does, let's compare shall we?
John Ruiz: holds for no other reason than his boxing skills are crap and that's the only way he can win
Wladimir Klitschko: much like the Manny Steward trained LENNOX LEWIS holds and pushes for tactical reasons which make him all the more dominant.
Don't complain about Sam Peter losing, he lost because he's one sided and Wlad is an all around better offensive fighter. Wlad hits harder, Wlad is more accurate, Wlad has a variety of punches in his arsenal unlike Peter who can't jab, uppercut, or throw a decent right cross...he can throw very wide slow punches that are reminiscent of Butterbean.
John RUiz when he was rounger did have skill to say other wise would show lack of boxing knowledge... He's more skilled than almost any of the top heavyweights now except Toney, Brock, and Wladimir IMO.
