Listen i love Leonard and i like him more then Duran i mean alot more but look you got remember the Duran before when he was a lightweight he was alot better at that weight before moving up
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Listen i love Leonard and i like him more then Duran i mean alot more but look you got remember the Duran before when he was a lightweight he was alot better at that weight before moving up
Thank you. At least someone agrees with me!Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
If i was doing a list about best p4p fighters based on skills and not achievements then my list would look something like this and this is not in order.
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Roy Jones Junior
Pernell Whitaker
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Willie Pep
Sugar Ray Robinson
Alexis Arguello
Shane Mosley Lightweight
Muhammad Ali 1960s
When looking at the top 10 pound for pound you have to look at longevity, who they beat, how dominat they were at a weight class, how successful they were as champions, how successful they were when moving up in weight, how much weight they moved up and how good their acutaul talents were when it came down to it and records all depends on their eras some were weak and some were strong all depends on how people think of the time when that fighter was fighting i guess you could say
Oh come Ice what about Sugar Ray Leonard he had as much skill as the people in your list
I cosidered all these fighters when I made this list but IMO Pernell was only the second, third or fourth greatest of the 90s.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
#1 RJJ
#2 Between JCC, Pernell (I know these did a lot in the 80s but they cemented their legacy in the 90s) and Oscar De La Hoya.
The others that you mentioned that are all great arguments and I have a lot of time for them all. The reason that i didnt have Arguello in and I did have Pryor was basically I wanted one or the other so I went for the one who beat the other!
if mosley is there why not Oscar, why not Chavez?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
These lists are only good for the individual. I'd prefer to see someones list and them explain their choices. There will never be a definitive list. Before anyone asks, I don't do these lists (unless it's hot men) it's to much of an autistic tendency.
I don't think these two deserve to be in top 10 but my top 10 would be someone like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Willie Pep
4 Muhammad Ali
5 Roberto Duran
6 Benny Leonard
7 Harry Greb
8 Sandy Saddler
9 Julio Cesar Chavez
10 Jimmy Wilde
This lists probably sucks but i have never been that good at rating boxers in top 10.
Mosley was faster had alot more power at Lightweight he is better p4p fighter at Lightweight than Oscar and as for Chavez ?? i wouldn't call him a skillful fighter well he was good at what he done but i wouldn't call him really skillful fighter more of a tough iron chinned brawler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
I am not sure about JCC place to tell you truth if he is up their i believe SRL belongs as well
Listen Ice yet again if you have Mosely and Whitaker but not SRL i do not understand your logic
Are you telling me you think SRL was not as good at welter as Mosely and Whitaker were at lightweight because he was the same if not better when it came to skill i leaned towards better
Are you telling me you think SRL was not as good at welter as Mosely and Whitaker were at lightweight because he was the same if not better when it came to skillQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Who was on about Mosley at Welterweight ?? you have to realize Mosley was faster and hit alot harder than SRL P4P.
Ok SRL actually did slip my mind so how about this i take out Arguello and put SRL in.
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Roy Jones Junior
Pernell Whitaker
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Willie Pep
Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Shane Mosley Lightweight
Muhammad Ali 1960s
How do you gage that by the way just to ask ICE or is it a opinion i mean who did Mosely face to prove he hit harder and speed was very close and Ray was the bigger man and was close to Mosely speed i will go watch some more flim they are very close in speed but i will look again