Re: A few Mis-Conception's people tend to have when talking boxing
My pet peave is how fans and especially announcers throw fighters under the bus when they lose a fight. There's a zero defect mentality that is insane. Somehow a guy makes more money if he has a spotless record regardless of the quality of the fights he puts on.
Some people say that PBF deserves 8 figure purses because of his record. I say that's garbage. Guys like Marquez and Vasquez that leave it all in the ring deserve big purses for good shows. I think it's about the attempt to beat another man, not just outscore him. So for me it's an entertaining fight that deserves the hoopla, not an unblemished fighter.
The reality is if fighters were fighting top notch competition often enough there wouldn't be any undefeated fighters. Even PBF. It's like the difference between a football season and a basketball season. No team will ever go undefeated in the NBA, it's just not possible because they compete too often. Boxing should be the same and all the true greats shouldn't be guided to the impressive record, just constant challenging fights. SRR wasn't undefeated, neither was Ali. If a fighter goes undefeated through the whole career it's more likely they were matched well than they are that superior in skill or ability. But fighters don't want to risk that because it makes them less marketable. I read an interview where a t.v. exec said that PBF is at the risk of losing his big paydays by losing a fight???? Whoever made that rule is on crack. It doesn't make for better fights, it makes for safer fights. Kobe Bryant doesn't take a pay cut if the team loses. His salary is based upon his performance, he can perform well and still lose a game. So can fighters. Baby Bull performed well but lost the fight. Doesn't make him a lesser fighter. Shane Mosley performed well but lost to Cotto, Shane's stock shouldn't go down.
Just my 2 cents.
Re: A few Mis-Conception's people tend to have when talking boxing
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DaxxKahn
I see here (and other places) where guys/ladies tend to talk boxing, judge careers etc but seem to lose concept on exactly how things are ment to be spoken about, words seem to be arranged in their favor to eith hype their fighter, nexcuse a loss or just plain old make it so they do not have to admit being wrong on a subject,,,,The one thing though about Saddo's unlike other forums is other places that I will not mention "Cough Boxing Cough Talk" is at least we do not pull out a F*** Y** as our ace in the hole...commom other places...but like I was saying though there are certain things that are overlooiked when debating or maybe just ignored...That I just do not understand
A fighters career-
Fighters all have their prime in different stages, some are late bloomers others only have a prime that last about 5 fights, all depends on the fighter. People tend to judge the wrong way when doing a look back at a fighters past.....You judge how great a fighter was by his prime and prime alone, sure they have fights past their prime but the prime is how you base things on- anything past the prime is an add on...some guys fight past their best due to money reasons, others due to the fact they just can not hang them up....EG- Ali, when people speak of Ali it is not the Berbick fight where he is judged on how good he was, Same for Ray Leonard people do not judge him by the loss to Camacho....in fact for those guys those fights are hardly mentioned..Why? because that was not Ray Leonard or Ali..it was mere shells of their former selves and it would be unfair to include those bouts. Is it on their official resume? Yes but not them in their prime.....Hell Joe Nameth could go out and throw one more TD pass but would you include the back breaking tackle that followed as part of his career?.............It goes both ways...EG- Alfonso Gomez...If he met PBF tommorow and somehow won..but lost every other fight after...would that make him an ATG?...No it means he had one hell of a night and that is that......Refer to fighters in their prime don't give them false glory for one accomplishment or losses that came because the man did not know or could not go when the time was right
BUM--Pride already did a thread about this but still see it everywhere...and it is NEVER USED IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT!!!!!.....I will not go into the fact that any man who gives it his 100% in there ring is not a BUM....He may not be any good but that does not make him a BUM...and FYI to some of you out there that are fond of the word...In boxing it was not used for a guy who sucked but just the opposite...It was for a fighter with all the ability that never used it like they should have....EG- HW Jeremy Bates is not a BUM...Glass Jawed, unskilled, clumsey yes but he gets in there and tries...Zab Judah, Fast, good power, slkick movement, but mentally just throws it away everytime there is a moment of despair in the ring..that is a bum...because he did not need to do the things he did or stop trying...Another in that catagory would be Mike Tyson, Threw away what could have been the greatest not only HW but top 5 ATG careers ever
Losing-- If your fighter loses or looks bad in a bout just admit it!!!! Reguardless of the reason, There seems to be more excuses from the fans then the camp's themselves, I see post start flying up everywhere after a guy loses for 1000 reasons I don't know which is more out of control the thread title or the post itself....."Marquez family being held Hostage"
Just read this on weknownothingaboutboxing.com...Marquez family is being held hostage by French vollyball players thats why he did not beat Vazquez and took the 12th round off......I know a bit over the top but everyone knows what I am saying....I love even more when the poster says..."I just heard this"...OK from where? your imagination?.....
Bandwagons!!- This is the all time most annoying thing anywhere!!! A fighter has a couple good wins in a row and all of a sudden they are the greatest thing since Wonder starting slicing bread....Prime example David Haye.. Strong guy decent skills good win against Enzo and Good win Over Mormeck but WTF!!!! After the Enzo bout people were ahiling him the greatest thing EVER!!!! Lets see some threads were..."Is Haye the Saviour of HW boxing"...I seen someone post he is the greatest CW of all time...I even seen a post on another site where a guy swore Haye's power is the most frightening since a prime Tyson!!!!....Another called him the hardest Hitter P4P in boxing history!!!..Another said Haye would have beaten Lewis, Holmes..and another stated Haye would do what Holyfield could not...Be the only CW to jump up and take over the division by taking out all comers....My favvorite on this site was a guy who said Haye hit harder then Wlad or Peter!!!....Give me a break would you...Who the hell has Haye beat? Mormeck and Enzo?...Not ATG's fellow's....Sparking out some CWTS and a few unknown heavies is a whole different ballgame then stepping up and wiping out the upper tier of the big boys no matter how thin the division is....After this weekend it wiull be a new fighter up there and the same guys will totally forget Haye and sing their paraises..."Pacquiao should take over the world who wants to help" or "JMM wins anyone who does not speak spanish and get his name tatooed on him should be shot"......I know that is all a bit over the top but seriously it gets out of control....It would not be so bad if the same people did not suddenly think a new fighter every week is the greatest.....stick with a guy it is called being a fan!!!...Reminds me of the kid next door growing up...His favorite football team was whoever won the Superbowl that year....He could not even spell Pittburgh or tell you what state Dallas was in if you offerd him a million bucks
OK my rant is over now.....Sorry to all those who endured it and to those who do not want to admit it happens all the time Kiss My Ass because you are the ones who are the biggest felons of it.....
It is not for me to say how anyone post and I love everyone you Bitche's (though some less then others)..and I like debating with everyone...Just had to get it out of my system;)
First of all Daxx... F*** Y**!;D
Oh man... That was sweet:).
I think we are all at some point caught up in these... I for one don't jump on bandwagons... I have been suspect when it comes to the "prime" issue... I have selective memory. I don't do it on perpose but I must admit... It happens.
As far as bandwagons... My Manfrdo one is so spacious!;D Why would I wanna jump on a crowded one?
I am a huge advicate for being a "fan"... I too hate after a fight how people will flip.
There are great specimens of this not happening on this board aswell. That's why I love it here...
Lyle- You Wlad loving lunatic
JT- That Lacy bandwagon is looking like my manfredo one;D
Leftylee- Hatton
TheDuke- Jesus... what do I say about this........
Me- Manfredo, Gatti, Banks, Soliman(gonna be a great strength and conditioning coach some day;))
There are so0000 many more. But there's a taste!
Great thread Daxx!:cool:
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
First of all Daxx... F*** Y**!;D
Oh man... That was sweet:).
I think we are all at some point caught up in these... I for one don't jump on bandwagons... I have been suspect when it comes to the "prime" issue... I have selective memory. I don't do it on perpose but I must admit... It happens.
As far as bandwagons... My Manfrdo one is so spacious!;D Why would I wanna jump on a crowded one?
I am a huge advicate for being a "fan"... I too hate after a fight how people will flip.
There are great specimens of this not happening on this board aswell. That's why I love it here...
Lyle- You Wlad loving lunatic
JT- That Lacy bandwagon is looking like my manfredo one;D
Leftylee- Hatton
TheDuke- Jesus... what do I say about this........
Me- Manfredo, Gatti, Banks, Soliman(gonna be a great strength and conditioning coach some day;))
There are so0000 many more. But there's a taste!
Great thread Daxx!:cool:
We all do it to an extent but there are limits and pure blindness or refusal to admit to something making you a flat out ass..(not you personally but in the certain situation).....I will argue until I am blue about the greatness of Lennox Lewis and Tommy Hearns but I will also admit there short comings in the long run...Some people just plain out refuse....
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Eat this..!
I'm in the mood to recycle old threads.
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luvfightgame
My pet peave is how fans and especially announcers throw fighters under the bus when they lose a fight. There's a zero defect mentality that is insane. Somehow a guy makes more money if he has a spotless record regardless of the quality of the fights he puts on.
Some people say that PBF deserves 8 figure purses because of his record. I say that's garbage. Guys like Marquez and Vasquez that leave it all in the ring deserve big purses for good shows. I think it's about the attempt to beat another man, not just outscore him. So for me it's an entertaining fight that deserves the hoopla, not an unblemished fighter.
The reality is if fighters were fighting top notch competition often enough there wouldn't be any undefeated fighters. Even PBF. It's like the difference between a football season and a basketball season. No team will ever go undefeated in the NBA, it's just not possible because they compete too often. Boxing should be the same and all the true greats shouldn't be guided to the impressive record, just constant challenging fights. SRR wasn't undefeated, neither was Ali. If a fighter goes undefeated through the whole career it's more likely they were matched well than they are that superior in skill or ability. But fighters don't want to risk that because it makes them less marketable. I read an interview where a t.v. exec said that PBF is at the risk of losing his big paydays by losing a fight???? Whoever made that rule is on crack. It doesn't make for better fights, it makes for safer fights. Kobe Bryant doesn't take a pay cut if the team loses. His salary is based upon his performance, he can perform well and still lose a game. So can fighters. Baby Bull performed well but lost the fight. Doesn't make him a lesser fighter. Shane Mosley performed well but lost to Cotto, Shane's stock shouldn't go down.
Just my 2 cents.
Isnt the value of every single sportsman competing in every single spot majorly based on how succesful he/she actually is, rather than their value for money.
You wouldnt see the powers that be in golf awarding jon daly the same prize money as a tiger woods just because he throws up something special every so often.
Sure we all love the slober knocker fights. But ultimately regardless of his value for money if floyd mayweather is the greatest p4p fighter in the world then naturally he`ll command the greater pay packet
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That MMA and Boxing should be compareable... They're not. Stop comparing them. It's exhausting... Nevermind idiotic. That is all.
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Another misconception, lots of people think that a good NFL or NBA athlete would have become a great HW champion if they took up boxing instead, the reasoning of these people are that NBA/NFL athletes are big and athletic, thus they would be great HW champions is their conclusion
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generalbulldog
Another misconception, lots of people think that a good NFL or NBA athlete would have become a great HW champion if they took up boxing instead, the reasoning of these people are that NBA/NFL athletes are big and athletic, thus they would be great HW champions is their conclusion
I wouldn't necessarily call it a misconception though.
While it is obviously true that any fighter has too first a) take a dig and b) be able learn his new trade... I would agree with the concept that with regards to attributes such as height, weight, stamina, speed & reflexes, these modern day athletes have bodies that are in a much more suitable condition to perform against the super heavyweights of today and could be much more than just Super-sized Mikkel Kesslers (no disrespect :p )
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I agree with the posting and I believe that true re words were never said when some experts borrowed a quotation and applied it to boxing,"You are only as good as your last fight." By the way, I read somewhere that Ernie Terrell was a basketball player that made his way to a title fight with Ali. It was the "What's my name" theme. It was humiliating though.
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Yeah Ali was hardly a 'Supersized Kessler' :p
Matter of fact, last I heard, Ernie Tyrell wasn't exactly Kobe Bryant either! ;D
Roy Jones-Floyd Maywather-Manny Pacquiao-Find the common link-summarize ;)
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CutMeMick
Good shit! Daxx....
I know you said they weren't directed at any one person but I can already see those whom these things apply to and the look on their faces... :D
I will admit that I am a new 'Haye' fan I liked the guy from pretty early on and the fact that hes exciting makes him one of my current favs. I asked Smashup (Leader of Team Haye) right after Hayes win over JMMormeck if there was any more room on the Team Haye....
I think the 2 threads about Haye, the one where hes labeled a GREAT and the one about him being the saviour of the Heavyweights are a bit over the top. You gotta think the one about him being great was done pre-Enzo... If you go through it you'll see my response on there about the word "great" being thrown around too easily now a days...
To be honest Hayes a very good CW and hes beat 2 prominent names.
But as far as a Great CW... Hmmmmm!!! I don't know I mean.
CDL, St.Gordon, Carmel and not to mention Holyfield.....
Matter a fact I'm not sure how a fight between he and Yaqui Lopez or 'Miracle' Saad would end up. The guy is certainly on his way to greatness but that road is still a long ways to go.
Anyway. I too have issues....
Great - The word great being placed next to almost any name.
Undefeated - People think that being undefeated is part of being great.
Fights - People who comment on fights they haven't seen.
Fighters - People who comment on fighters they haven't seen or they've seen a highlight video and they comment like they've seen his whole career.
You might be fooling some people who aren't aware of certain things but you don't fool the rest of us who know the real deal... ;)
I like how people say I've seen Harry Greb and he's an ATG.....
Uuuuummm! News Flash no fight video exsist of Greb the only footage of Greb that is known is him training/sparring... I think a few years back someone on the net claimed to have Greb fights but it was all a lie.
Or people who say I've seen/have all of Tysons fights or all of Cottos fights.... Ummmm! News Flash both Tyson & Cotto have 1 fight that no video exsist of. So you can't possibly have all of their fights.
My rants over here and if the shoe fits then wear it. :cool:
You know Mick ever since you got that gorgeous Gina Carrano lip bite gif as your signature I simply ignore what you say and scroll down to her lucious face. :)
It's the best ever animated gif on Saddo's but it is distracting....
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How did this thread come back from the dead :confused:
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DaxxKahn
How did this thread come back from the dead :confused:
Necromancy
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The one about people making claims about the super old fighters being better than the modern era guys, when there's isn't enough video around to support those claims is the one that urks the shit out of me...
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CutMeMick
Good shit! Daxx....
I know you said they weren't directed at any one person but I can already see those whom these things apply to and the look on their faces... :D
I will admit that I am a new 'Haye' fan I liked the guy from pretty early on and the fact that hes exciting makes him one of my current favs. I asked Smashup (Leader of Team Haye) right after Hayes win over JMMormeck if there was any more room on the Team Haye....
I think the 2 threads about Haye, the one where hes labeled a GREAT and the one about him being the saviour of the Heavyweights are a bit over the top. You gotta think the one about him being great was done pre-Enzo... If you go through it you'll see my response on there about the word "great" being thrown around too easily now a days...
To be honest Hayes a very good CW and hes beat 2 prominent names.
But as far as a Great CW... Hmmmmm!!! I don't know I mean.
CDL, St.Gordon, Carmel and not to mention Holyfield.....
Matter a fact I'm not sure how a fight between he and Yaqui Lopez or 'Miracle' Saad would end up. The guy is certainly on his way to greatness but that road is still a long ways to go.
Anyway. I too have issues....
Great - The word great being placed next to almost any name.
Undefeated - People think that being undefeated is part of being great.
Fights - People who comment on fights they haven't seen.
Fighters - People who comment on fighters they haven't seen or they've seen a highlight video and they comment like they've seen his whole career.
You might be fooling some people who aren't aware of certain things but you don't fool the rest of us who know the real deal... ;)
I like how people say I've seen Harry Greb and he's an ATG.....
Uuuuummm! News Flash no fight video exsist of Greb the only footage of Greb that is known is him training/sparring... I think a few years back someone on the net claimed to have Greb fights but it was all a lie.
Or people who say I've seen/have all of Tysons fights or all of Cottos fights.... Ummmm! News Flash both Tyson & Cotto have 1 fight that no video exsist of. So you can't possibly have all of their fights.
My rants over here and if the shoe fits then wear it. :cool:
You know Mick ever since you got that gorgeous Gina Carrano lip bite gif as your signature I simply ignore what you say and scroll down to her lucious face. :)
It's the best ever animated gif on Saddo's but it is distracting....
Yeah whats the story behind that gif, who shot it?
