well.. that was the case for a while.. but seeing all the euro fighters making b-lines to train in Germany.. not so much the case anymore.
Klitschkos, povetkin, valuev, chagaev, dimitrenko, solis, erdei, and many more.
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well.. that was the case for a while.. but seeing all the euro fighters making b-lines to train in Germany.. not so much the case anymore.
Klitschkos, povetkin, valuev, chagaev, dimitrenko, solis, erdei, and many more.
You are right with that...though Kohl wanted an internal stable duell between Dimitrenko and Luan Krasniqi and it was Dimitrenko who turned that down...Quote:
Originally Posted by GermanHitman
But lets not make this a Dimitrenko thread...Other opponents who might be a threat to Wladimir:
Vladimir Virchis:Big guy...can pack a punch and take one...though not the most skilled and too passive...,but still dangerous opponent...
Juan Carlos Gomez:Tons of talent and fast hands...seems to have management problems,a lazy work attitude and cocain problems...
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Haye would not stand for that shit for 12 rounds he would take risks to land.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
There are a few different.
I like Thompson but I'm not sure he could stand the offensive attack of Wladimir. Thompson isn't a real assertive guy and I think that's what it's going to take to beat Wlad and for Thompson to be comfortable he has to lay back at range and that's never good versus Wlad.
Still, I'm glad Thompson got some play in here.
I think the power of Sam Peter can get to him. Sam doesn't have the best form and pitter pats like a baby sometimes but he does have power in those straight punches of his, he can take Klitschko's punch and if he can catch him then he can have Wlad in trouble.
He'll never win a decision against Wlad but you can't count out his power.
David Haye is the guy. Someone athletic, someone able to move Klitschko backwards and someone who has power. Haye has the capability to do all that.
I'm not sure he wins but Haye will make Klitschko fight tooth and nail to win and he'll make Wlad perfect if Wlad wins. I want this fight.
Povetkin takes to many shots to get in there with Klitschko but he is chippy. I wouldn't count him out, he gets better as the fight goes along and if Wlad doesn't punish him (like he tends not to do), then Povetkin will continue to fight. I wouldn't mind matching Povetkin in there.
Get him in there with an aura of confidence around him and use that to win. That's what those latter two have, they would no doubt believe they belong in the ring with Klitschko and that is half the battle.
IMO it's Chagaev & Thompson
I think we're dangerously close to overrating David Haye. Sure he's a natural heavyweight, but let's not forget he's a largely untested heavyweight. Sorry, but against Enzo, I saw a huge flaw in his game. The guy does this weird crouch-face-forward thing and combine that with his low left hand he is WIDE open for a quick, stiff jab. Sure he's fast and that's probably what will keep him away from such a punch, but a jab is the easiest one to throw and Wladimir Klitschko is the LAST guy you want to catch one from. He'll more than likely come in lighter like he did against Ibragimov and either dominate just the same or eventually plant a straight right on Haye's kisser. And I don't see things faring much better for him against Sam Peter. Let's just wait and see how Haye takes care of Dominick Guinn or Julius Long and go from there.
Right now I am not sure what person is the biggest threat to Wladimir other than Wladimir himself. When he gets complacent he can mess up and anyone can get to him but I think the days of him merely being happy to hold a title are over he wants a legacy that is compared with the Lewis', Hoilyfield's, and Tyson's and we're going to disagree if he can actually achieve that but he's going to try for it and the other heavyweights are going to have to fight each other and get the cream of the crop to fight him.
David Haye is an unknown at the heavyweight division, we know he's a pretty fierce cruiserweight but it doesn't automatically mean he's going to dominate the heavyweight division especially when you consider the style matchups some of the top level heavyweights will give him.
Sam Peter hasn't really improved all that well but he's a known entity and has a title and Manny seems pretty hot on a rematch between Sam Peter and Wlad but I think that is more to put on a really big show and have Wladimir be the first guy to KO Sam Peter AND making Wlad 3/4ths the unified champion of the heavyweight division. Sam Peter has gotten worse since Wlad fought him and Wlad has gotten better.
Ruslan Chagaev is a tough guy, he hasn't really fought any big time punchers or even boxers as good as Wlad. I think he's dangerous because he's a southpaw and he can study how Wlad took on Sultan and Corrie Sanders but Wlad will learn how to take out a guy who is in the ring "not wanting to get KO'd"
I am not really sure at this point in time if anyone is ready to take out Wlad so I guess the next two guys to face him have the best shots simply because they will be in the ring with him and you never know what is going to happen. Thompson should be easier to hit than Sultan but he is taller and boxes better, Povetkin is a hard worker but God help him if he usually puffs up like he did vs Chambers or if he's so easy to counter with the right cross
David Haye, without doubt.
Slapper boy has got to start running as the Hayemaker is waiting for him.
Don't get your hopes up too high....I'd wait to see how he handles some real heavyweights before I call him the next big thing much less the next guy ready to beat the champ.
Haye is going to run into some guys who are going to be able to hurt him, he better get his defense ready
Case. In. Point.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Lyle, you really think Peter has gotten worse? Peter gave Maskaev a whole lot more movement than he'd ever done pre-Klitschko, defensively. And he's less ept to rely solely on his power. He seems more likely to look for his opponent to show weakness rather than just trying to cut him down. I don't know about Peter winning, though. I do think it will be more of a competitive fight the second time around rather than a landslide.
Check out my article: Wham, Bam, Thank You Sam.
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david haye maybe, have to see how good he can be at heavyweight
I don't think Peter is that much of a threat to Wladimir as people think, his *so called* knockdowns of Wlad were rabbit punches and if i remember right technically only one of them should of counted. Peter never really hurt Wlad despite flooring him 3 times well if you call those proper knockdowns, and he was completely out boxed. People say Peter has made a lot of improvements but i don't really see much improvements, if anything he was exposed against McCline that his chin isn't as good as people think plus i think Peter's power is overrated as well. Peter is still a slow plodding Heavyweight with good power but not much else. Wlad has improved since the 1st Peter fight and he would totally out box Peter even worse this time, except it ain't going to be as exciting as there 1st meeting because Wlad will be even more cautious which will make it even harder for Peter to connect than it was in there 1st fight.
You wrote a great article but just the impression Sam Peter has left on me since his loss to Wlad it seems that something is missing from him. Sam Peter has developed a better jab....no one is going to outjab Wladimir. Sam has done better to not rely solely on his power but he hasn't developed better boxing skills to an extent to where he can outbox rather than out muscle most of his opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidCase. In. Point.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Lyle, you really think Peter has gotten worse? Peter gave Maskaev a whole lot more movement than he'd ever done pre-Klitschko, defensively. And he's less ept to rely solely on his power. He seems more likely to look for his opponent to show weakness rather than just trying to cut him down. I don't know about Peter winning, though. I do think it will be more of a competitive fight the second time around rather than a landslide.
Check out my article: Wham, Bam, Thank You Sam.
Right now Sam Peter is kind of like the Oscar De la Hoya that fought Fernando Vargas, you see what he's trying to do but it isn't looking pretty and it isn't efficient...he looks worse because he's being trained to do other things, maybe he'll turn it around and learn how to do this better.
You look at Sam Peter's KO's before he fought Wlad and then look at him fight Maskaev #1 Maskaev hurt Sam and #2 Maskaev didn't even go down, and we're talking about a guy who got knocked out of the ring by Kirk Johnson!
With the improvements Sam has made he's made himself more well rounded but he hasn't done anything to make a rematch with Wladimir Klitschko any different than the first fight. Sam's punches are still wide and loopy and because of that he's easier to catch and easier to counter. If Eddie Chambers had any stamina he'd beat Sam Peter
Stamina or no, I think Eddie Chambers would realize he's in the wrong weight class if he fought Peter. That peek-a-boo style won't work with someone who can blast through a guard and considering he got shy fighting Povetkin what would he do against someone who hits a lot harder?Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleYou wrote a great article but just the impression Sam Peter has left on me since his loss to Wlad it seems that something is missing from him. Sam Peter has developed a better jab....no one is going to outjab Wladimir. Sam has done better to not rely solely on his power but he hasn't developed better boxing skills to an extent to where he can outbox rather than out muscle most of his opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidCase. In. Point.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Lyle, you really think Peter has gotten worse? Peter gave Maskaev a whole lot more movement than he'd ever done pre-Klitschko, defensively. And he's less ept to rely solely on his power. He seems more likely to look for his opponent to show weakness rather than just trying to cut him down. I don't know about Peter winning, though. I do think it will be more of a competitive fight the second time around rather than a landslide.
Check out my article: Wham, Bam, Thank You Sam.
Right now Sam Peter is kind of like the Oscar De la Hoya that fought Fernando Vargas, you see what he's trying to do but it isn't looking pretty and it isn't efficient...he looks worse because he's being trained to do other things, maybe he'll turn it around and learn how to do this better.
You look at Sam Peter's KO's before he fought Wlad and then look at him fight Maskaev #1 Maskaev hurt Sam and #2 Maskaev didn't even go down, and we're talking about a guy who got knocked out of the ring by Kirk Johnson!
With the improvements Sam has made he's made himself more well rounded but he hasn't done anything to make a rematch with Wladimir Klitschko any different than the first fight. Sam's punches are still wide and loopy and because of that he's easier to catch and easier to counter. If Eddie Chambers had any stamina he'd beat Sam Peter
I tend to agree with you about Peter. From their first matchup Peter and Klitschko have improved, but Klitschko seems to be on the tail end of his lesson whereas Peter seems to be much closer to the beginning of his. I think part II will be a much more technical, less passionate matchup where Peter more legitimately takes rounds (3, 4 at most) and reduces the amount of looping punches he throws but finds himself getting tied up more on the inside, leaned on and kept at bay with Klitschko's jab (which he'll be able to avoid, but held aloft with it, nonetheless). I would expect Peter to take all his rounds early as Wlad may be somewhat nervous and tends to give away earlier rounds (I initially thought Calvin Brock was doing good work in their match- I think it had more to do with Wlad letting him do what he did). When Klitschko hurt Peter it was when they threw rights at the same time and Wlad's got there first and considering nothing else had that kind of effect and that was more of a 1 in 1000 punch I doubt it happens again. I would say Klitschko will continue to come in at the lighter weight as this worked very well against Ibragimov. I doubt he lost much power but what he gained in footwork and stamina offset any loss significantly.
The one thing that always seems to surprise me about Peter is how big he fights. In the Maskaev fight and in the Klitschko one it didn't seem like either guy towered over him. Peter is 6'1" at best, but he didn't seem to be looking up in those fights; they seemed more eye to eye. I don't remember Klitschko specifically, but Maskaev didn't have a wide stance- he didn't give up his height and Klitschko stopped doing that when Steward came along.
I think Calvin Brock would be a good solid fight for Sam Peter in his first title defense. Sam is going to have to learn how to beat a boxer...if he gets more crafty then he'll pose more of a threat but you know what he's thinking all the time when he's fighting "must land haymaker, must land haymaker"
Wladimir Klitschko needs to start jumping on opponents, it's taken him longer to learn than it took Lennox Lewis to learn but he's going to get there and he's going to be even better at KO-ing fighters earlier.
Wlad used to give up his height it hurt him vs Corrie Sanders where Wlad was fighting in a near crouch and it obviously made Corrie's job easier.
I think Wlad has gotten away from clinching too much and I think he's going to use his jab to keep the distance instead of clinching to get out of range. He's going to use the jab as a defensive weapon as well as an offensive one. The left hook of Wlad is what really wobbled Sam Peter and after watching the McCline and Maskaev fights I think hooking off the jab will put an end to any offense Sam Peter can muster.
I think the rematch will be more exciting and there will be a KO in the end.