Re: All this shit about Ricky Hatton
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It's seriously doing my head in.
I'm starting to question how much knowledge you actually have to have to be able to call yourself a Boxing Expert or Reporter.
I'm fed up with the 'Hatton needs to quit' talk. It's absolute shite.
I know i sound like a broken record but i have seen every single Ricky Hatton fight (most of them more than once). I get the feeling the so called experts have only really followed him since his Kostya Tszyu fight.
Let's look at some of the shite that's been said over the last few days....
"Hatton was rocked with shots that wouldn't have rocked him 3 or 4 years ago"
Hmm so how about when Gilbert Quiros hurt him in the 1st round back in 2000? Or how about when Jason Rowland hurt him with a body shot right before Hatton answered back with a KO? How about when Vince Phillips made him hold for his life in the 4th round of their clash? How about when Magee rocked him in the 2nd round of their fight?How about when Ben Tackie buzzed him in the 12th round of their fight?How about when Luis Collazo almost ko'd him?How about when Juan Urango almsot had him down with a body shot?
Hatton getting rocked is no new thing. The only time we need to worry is when he hasn't recovered from a shot about 1 minute later. Once his powers of recovery start going, there may be cause for concern. There was no evidence of this on Saturday. He was fine.
The Hatton of old would have ko'd Juan Lazcano
Again this is bullshit when you consider he's never really had one punch knockout power. I remember him having similar struggles. He won widely against Tackie and Phillips whilst getting rocked in the process. He won widely against Vilches and looked spectacularly shite in the process. He looked just as bad against Mikhali Krivolapov (spelling?). Not putting his opponent away is not a sign of him fading. It's a sign of him facing a tough bastard who has too much pride to quit.
I just get the feeling that Ricky's shelf life with the media is close to expiring. When someone becomes so popular it's only natural for individuals to rebel against the Mainstream and decide to be part of a cult that basically has the daggers out for him. That's my general feeling on the subject. I think a lot of people are hating on him just so they sound like they know something about Boxing. Just something that seperates them from the crowd. It happens all the time in the UK. Media build someone up only to knock them back down again. It's Lewis Hamilton's turn next anyway so i can look forward to that :D.
Anyway i think i've beaten the subject to death now. To conclude....If you think Hatton is seriously on the slide now, i think you had a bit of a misconception about how good he was in the first pace. Either that or you haven't really seen enough of his fights.
So your point is Hatton has not declined, he was just never that good in the first place? wow.
Not exactly.
Basically i'm saying he hasn't really altered for better or for worse. Being rocked and not being able to put his opponent away aren't exactly firsts for him. So called experts are making out like it is....and thats why he should hang em up.
OK, I won't get into it too deeply due to my intense hatred for all things Ricky but he is a talented fighter and should continue.
Re: All this shit about Ricky Hatton
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piye
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piye
So your point is Hatton has not declined, he was just never that good in the first place? wow.
Not exactly.
Basically i'm saying he hasn't really altered for better or for worse. Being rocked and not being able to put his opponent away aren't exactly firsts for him. So called experts are making out like it is....and thats why he should hang em up.
OK, I won't get into it too deeply due to my intense hatred for all things Ricky but he is a talented fighter and should continue.
Thank god. I can go to bed now :D
Re: All this shit about Ricky Hatton
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Maussa was shite. Hatton was very very careless against Maussa. Reckless in fact. I don't think any version of Hatton would stop Lazcano.
Harris only lost to Maussa because he spent the 1st 3 rounds swinging for the hills. Every shot bounced off his big stupid head but had no effect on the devil worshipper.
You can't honestly sit there and tell me Carlos Maussa is a better fight than Juan Lazcano :confused:
Without them fighting it's impossible to say who is best.
On a formline through Harris it's Maussa.
You think Harris is shit. Witter is shit. Maussa is shit. Yet you're trumpeting Lazcano at 140 - why? :-\
I'm not trumpeting him....i think he's as good as the other champs at 140.
As is Witter and
Harris...roughly imo.
I just didn't like how everyone was making out that Lazcano was going to be an easy fight. Even if Team Hatton thought so....it was silly.
IMO he might aswell have fought a titlist at 140 for his comeback fight. More reward for just as much risk.
Lazcano wasn't meant to be any risk at all though. That's the point. So either - Lacano was underestimated.. or.. Ricky was overrated all along.. or.. Ricky has slipped. ;)
(lets go round in circles ;D)
Re: All this shit about Ricky Hatton
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Without them fighting it's impossible to say who is best.
On a formline through Harris it's Maussa.
You think Harris is shit. Witter is shit. Maussa is shit. Yet you're trumpeting Lazcano at 140 - why? :-\
I'm not trumpeting him....i think he's as good as the other champs at 140.
As is Witter and
Harris...roughly imo.
I just didn't like how everyone was making out that Lazcano was going to be an easy fight. Even if Team Hatton thought so....it was silly.
IMO he might aswell have fought a titlist at 140 for his comeback fight. More reward for just as much risk.
Lazcano wasn't meant to be any risk at all though. That's the point. So either - Lacano was underestimated.. or.. Ricky was overrated all along.. or.. Ricky has slipped. ;)
(lets go round in circles ;D)
He was severly under-estimated. He must have been.....other-wise the fight wouldn't have made any business sense whatsoever. Sticking him in on a hiding to nothing after a KO loss. They must have thought Lazcano was waiting to be stopped.
I always thought this fight would be a difficult one. I never quite understood the point behind it (from a business sense).
He shoulda gone for a titlist.
I'm going dizzy now ;D
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ono
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Without them fighting it's impossible to say who is best.
On a formline through Harris it's Maussa.
You think Harris is shit. Witter is shit. Maussa is shit. Yet you're trumpeting Lazcano at 140 - why? :-\
I'm not trumpeting him....i think he's as good as the other champs at 140.
As is Witter and
Harris...roughly imo.
I just didn't like how everyone was making out that Lazcano was going to be an easy fight. Even if Team Hatton thought so....it was silly.
IMO he might aswell have fought a titlist at 140 for his comeback fight. More reward for just as much risk.
Lazcano wasn't meant to be any risk at all though. That's the point. So either - Lacano was underestimated.. or.. Ricky was overrated all along.. or.. Ricky has slipped. ;)
(lets go round in circles ;D)
Then answer is B) Ricky was overrated all along.
Glad we finally cleared this up
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Bilbo
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Fenster
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ono
I'm not trumpeting him....i think he's as good as the other champs at 140.
As is Witter and Harris...roughly imo.
I just didn't like how everyone was making out that Lazcano was going to be an easy fight. Even if Team Hatton thought so....it was silly.
IMO he might aswell have fought a titlist at 140 for his comeback fight. More reward for just as much risk.
Lazcano wasn't meant to be any risk at all though. That's the point. So either - Lacano was underestimated.. or.. Ricky was overrated all along.. or.. Ricky has slipped. ;)
(lets go round in circles ;D)
Then answer is B) Ricky was overrated all along.
Glad we finally cleared this up
Yeah and the book was better than the film. Much better infact.
Re: All this shit about Ricky Hatton
Yep thats about right.
Like with all pointless debates here.. what you start out believing you finish believing no matter what the other guy says
;D
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Fenster
Yep thats about right.
Like with all pointless debates here.. what you start out believing you finish believing no matter what the other guy says
;D
Yeah exactly. And then tommorrow i'll re-phrase everything and we can go round in circles again. It's fun ;D
Re: All this shit about Ricky Hatton
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ono
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Fenster
Yep thats about right.
Like with all pointless debates here.. what you start out believing you finish believing no matter what the other guy says
;D
Yeah exactly. And then tommorrow i'll re-phrase everything and we can go round in circles again. It's fun ;D
Sure is
see ya tommorow, we'll try a new one - Hatton ducking Witter, should be fun
:beat:
;D
Re: All this shit about Ricky Hatton
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Oh well.. I guess Bilbo is right after all - Hatton is crap. And always has been ;D
Clearly his matchmakers have done a truely outstanding job... especially DUCKING Witter throughout his entire career ;)
You wouldn't say that if you were on the Hatton board. ;D :lol:
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Fenster
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ono
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Fenster
Yep thats about right.
Like with all pointless debates here.. what you start out believing you finish believing no matter what the other guy says
;D
Yeah exactly. And then tommorrow i'll re-phrase everything and we can go round in circles again. It's fun ;D
Sure is
see ya tommorow, we'll try a new one - Hatton ducking Witter, should be fun
:beat:
;D
Well, I suppose you could try, but it'd get deleted pretty quick, and you would be bannded. I've went on there talking bad about Hatton before. It doesn't take long to get banned from there.
Re: All this shit about Ricky Hatton
Clubber: did you just reply to yourself:confused::confused::confused:
You make 2 good points ono, not seen the Lazcanbo fight yet (protesting at the ppv), but from what I heard he did what was expected of him and still has plenty left.
