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Judah was able to weather losses to Mayweather and Cotto cuz they were elite fighters. Clottey is not. Judah loses and he's done. No more HBO and no more ShowTime. It'll be ESPN only. And he knows it. Which is why he won't lose. I'm expecting a big performance by Judah in this one.
I've always said he should move back down to 140 if he can. IMO he can for certain win a belt at that weight class and do well at that weight class. And as for this match up i think Clottey takes it by late TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by toogood4u
If Zab loses again he's finished.
Simple as, end of.
He's been given more chances than anybody, but he just hasn't capitalised.
I think if he could make 140 he would of moved back down already.
But see that's the problem. If he loses he gets to fight for another belt? Whether Berto is ready for it or not, he's a champ now and Zab's upward-failing streak has to be broken if he loses to Clottey. Clottey won't knock him out, by the way, but he will beat him up. Zab is gonna look perty for about 5 rounds but he'll turn into a dud when he sees all that speed and power not doing anything for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONYes he is; well hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
If Zab loses I was hoping he'd go away, but I see a couple of tune-up fights on ESPN then getting another title shot.....again.
I don't see why Berto isn't put in with Zab; at least if he loses to Clottey. He'l' be nothing but a gatekeeper as far as I'm concerned. He could always fight Yoel in the shower again;D
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Originally Posted by liquidBut see that's the problem. If he loses he gets to fight for another belt? Whether Berto is ready for it or not, he's a champ now and Zab's upward-failing streak has to be broken if he loses to Clottey. Clottey won't knock him out, by the way, but he will beat him up. Zab is gonna look perty for about 5 rounds but he'll turn into a dud when he sees all that speed and power not doing anything for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONYes he is; well hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
If Zab loses I was hoping he'd go away, but I see a couple of tune-up fights on ESPN then getting another title shot.....again.
I don't see why Berto isn't put in with Zab; at least if he loses to Clottey. He'l' be nothing but a gatekeeper as far as I'm concerned. He could always fight Yoel in the shower again;D
I would happily take a sig bet on this, unless you're scared.
I already got a user name change bet on the line with the Rock.
I'm sooo gonna clean house on this fight.
the only thing he can do if he was too lose....... retire.
I honestly forgot Berto has a belt now:rolleyes: My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidBut see that's the problem. If he loses he gets to fight for another belt? Whether Berto is ready for it or not, he's a champ now and Zab's upward-failing streak has to be broken if he loses to Clottey. Clottey won't knock him out, by the way, but he will beat him up. Zab is gonna look perty for about 5 rounds but he'll turn into a dud when he sees all that speed and power not doing anything for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONYes he is; well hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
If Zab loses I was hoping he'd go away, but I see a couple of tune-up fights on ESPN then getting another title shot.....again.
I don't see why Berto isn't put in with Zab; at least if he loses to Clottey. He'l' be nothing but a gatekeeper as far as I'm concerned. He could always fight Yoel in the shower again;D
I'm not sure what he should do....but i know what he would do. The same thing he always does, he'll say he gave it his all, and will be back even better, then ask for a title shot. Zab usuallly bases his future not on wheather he wins or not, but on brief spots of fights where he does look like pfp best, he just can't make it last a whole fight. They'll have to eventually ban this cat like holyfield before he decides to give it up. Probably daniel too.
On the winner? I've never done a sig bet before, but you are absolutely on. It'll be a repeat of him shitting the bed against Mayweather. Zab is going to look great- speed + power, but Clottey has a chin from hell and the guy jogs up to 20 miles at a time, he won't gas out. Clottey's speed isn't bad, either, he'll get some good shots in early, but he won't turn off like the street lights in the dawn, he'll keep on.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidBut see that's the problem. If he loses he gets to fight for another belt? Whether Berto is ready for it or not, he's a champ now and Zab's upward-failing streak has to be broken if he loses to Clottey. Clottey won't knock him out, by the way, but he will beat him up. Zab is gonna look perty for about 5 rounds but he'll turn into a dud when he sees all that speed and power not doing anything for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
I would happily take a sig bet on this, unless you're scared.
I already got a user name change bet on the line with the Rock.
I'm sooo gonna clean house on this fight.
Oh man, I just looked at Judah's record and I'm even more convinced. He couldn't even make the welter limit in his last two fights against guys with shitty records. Acelino Freitas, Wilfredo Negron and and Ricardo Torres all knocked Edwin Vazquez out at lower weight classes and Zab couldn't take out an old man with 12 losses and 22 victories. At least you can understand him not being able to take out Ryan Davis who's a legit LMW, but he's 20-8-2. How are either of these guys who have been knocked out due preparation for Joshua Clottey? A guy, so far as I know, who has never been knocked down. Those fights were nothing but confidence builders and Clottey is not a guy you fight after you get your confidence back. Clottey is a 'next step' guy.
Yes, I will take your bet. Let's name some terms and get this on.
If Zab loses he should blame it on his promoter,say he didn't have enough time to prepare, and complain that he was prepared for Mosley not Clottey.
Then state that he's still the top P4P guy out there. ;D
Retire, he's done if he loses. he should have went to 140 as it aint the strongest division.
If he loses he should just retire.
His problems aren't the kind that can really be fixed, you either have it mentally or you don't. He is the prime example that physical gifts aren't everything. Look at someone like Mayweather, all the physical gifts in the world but one of the best boxing minds out there. Then you look at Judah probably just as physically talented but doesn't have the mind to go with it, he also has the wrong trainer in his corner. But if Judah was ever going to make a move to improve he should have done it 3 years ago. It's a little late now. If he loses to Clottey which is a good possibility then he should just retire. Even if he went to 140 I don't think he'd have enough time to actually earn his way down there before he could even fight someone like Hatton.
I keep saying this everytime he fights, "this is his last chance"!
I'm more inclined to wonder what will he do if he wins?
Surely he won't go for Cotto again, he would get beaten up a second time, so who would he fight? Berto? I don't think he can make 140lb so a Hatton or even Pacman fight is out the equation, i think Judah has problems win or lose!
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Originally Posted by KillfaceOn the winner? I've never done a sig bet before, but you are absolutely on. It'll be a repeat of him shitting the bed against Mayweather. Zab is going to look great- speed + power, but Clottey has a chin from hell and the guy jogs up to 20 miles at a time, he won't gas out. Clottey's speed isn't bad, either, he'll get some good shots in early, but he won't turn off like the street lights in the dawn, he'll keep on.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702Quote:
Originally Posted by liquid
I would happily take a sig bet on this, unless you're scared.
I already got a user name change bet on the line with the Rock.
I'm sooo gonna clean house on this fight.
Oh man, I just looked at Judah's record and I'm even more convinced. He couldn't even make the welter limit in his last two fights against guys with shitty records. Acelino Freitas, Wilfredo Negron and and Ricardo Torres all knocked Edwin Vazquez out at lower weight classes and Zab couldn't take out an old man with 12 losses and 22 victories. At least you can understand him not being able to take out Ryan Davis who's a legit LMW, but he's 20-8-2. How are either of these guys who have been knocked out due preparation for Joshua Clottey? A guy, so far as I know, who has never been knocked down. Those fights were nothing but confidence builders and Clottey is not a guy you fight after you get your confidence back. Clottey is a 'next step' guy.
Yes, I will take your bet. Let's name some terms and get this on.
Cool..... It's a bet.
Don't forget............ Zab Judah has been training to fight Shane Mosley not Joshua Clottey up until somewhat recently. He's gonna show up in perfect shape and 1000% focused