How does Berto-Cotto go?

Where has Berto shown anything except at least very good power? He has knocked out 19 of 22 opponents, His second and fouth fight were both UD, but since then only his fight with Rivera has gone the distance, and that flash knockdown in that fight is the only round I've seen him lose this far, and probably in his entire career. He has Lennox Lewis salivating over his potential. He's probably the fastest guy in the 147 pound division(Zab is up there, but he's 30, and doesn't throw combinations like Andre) He has had good middle stage fights with Rivera, Estrada(who went 12 rounds wiht MOsley, and it took 10 rounds for Cintron to KO him), and Rodriguez isn't a bad fighter either. He is fighting Forbes which should be a better evaluation of his skill level.

I don't see why people don't see his style as very dangerous for Cotto, he is resilient, he has great stamina, he DOES throw with power, and his most dangerous punch, the uppercut, is the punch Cotto is most susceptible to. I have acknowledged he needs a few more fights to face guys like Cotto, but I can't believe people are being this hard on this guy, I mean Hopkins had barely turned pro by 24, Cotto had foughten Torres and Corley and nobody at that point would have thought he would beat Judah or Mosley down the road because they had seen just how vulnerable he was. Berto has shown way less vulnerability and even more upside IMO.

I rather see him fight the likes of carlos quintana, zab judah (if he losses), even a kermit cintron (who is maybe a lil better then ppl thought because cotto loss aswell) but for berto to be fighting cotto even after 2 to 3 fights wouldnt be close in my eyes
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How Berto has a belt fighting the crap he has is beyond me.

Berto like Froch like Khan have yet to face ANYONE let alone someone decent so i will assume that Cotto will murder him.

BUT! with Cottos inability to take a lot of punishment means one never knows.

Cotto can't take punishment??? He took 11 rounds of Margarito's hardest stuff.....least see anyone else do that while trading with him (bar Paul Williams who if Tony BOXED would destroy with repeated right crosses)


So the biggest name on Berto's record is David Estrada he KO'd him that's ok I guess, Cintron softened him up for everyone. He couldn't KO Cosme Rivera who Judah KO'd in 3.

I think the Berto fans had better not overlook Steve Forbes because he may shock the world as he can take a shot and can box pretty well

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

Berto gets beat up... He hasn't progressed much un his last 5 or so fights...

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How has he not progressed when he's fought progressively tougher opponents?

I can see Berto becoming one of the divisions elite in a year or two. He shouldn't have a belt yet, guys are going to be gunning for him he isn't ready for yet, but he can become a force. Remember, Berto has fought as high as middleweight. To have been that big and to be able to come down to 147 and be that fast is something special. Margarito's troubles have come against bigger guys and Berto is one. In 2 years I don't think we'll be questioning if he can beat either Margarito or Cotto. I'm not saying it'll be definite, but we'll see it as a great possibility.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Berto is not ready to fight the likes of Cotto,Margarito,Williams and even Judah and Clottey yet.He should fight somebody like Jose Luis castillio and go from their.

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Gotta agree Geraldine. LOL!

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Surely you mean Collazo?

Not Castillo...

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Cotto can't take punishment??? He took 11 rounds of Margarito's hardest stuff.....least see anyone else do that while trading with him (bar Paul Williams who if Tony BOXED would destroy with repeated right crosses)


So the biggest name on Berto's record is David Estrada he KO'd him that's ok I guess, Cintron softened him up for everyone. He couldn't KO Cosme Rivera who Judah KO'd in 3.

I think the Berto fans had better not overlook Steve Forbes because he may shock the world as he can take a shot and can box pretty well

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Cotto doesnt take punishment well he hit Marg much harder and more often.

He has a solid chin but its far from great Clottey and Williams took Margaritos bombs.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Where has Berto shown anything except at least very good power? He has knocked out 19 of 22 opponents, His second and fouth fight were both UD, but since then only his fight with Rivera has gone the distance, and that flash knockdown in that fight is the only round I've seen him lose this far, and probably in his entire career. He has Lennox Lewis salivating over his potential. He's probably the fastest guy in the 147 pound division(Zab is up there, but he's 30, and doesn't throw combinations like Andre) He has had good middle stage fights with Rivera, Estrada(who went 12 rounds wiht MOsley, and it took 10 rounds for Cintron to KO him), and Rodriguez isn't a bad fighter either. He is fighting Forbes which should be a better evaluation of his skill level.

I don't see why people don't see his style as very dangerous for Cotto, he is resilient, he has great stamina, he DOES throw with power, and his most dangerous punch, the uppercut, is the punch Cotto is most susceptible to. I have acknowledged he needs a few more fights to face guys like Cotto, but I can't believe people are being this hard on this guy, I mean Hopkins had barely turned pro by 24, Cotto had foughten Torres and Corley and nobody at that point would have thought he would beat Judah or Mosley down the road because they had seen just how vulnerable he was. Berto has shown way less vulnerability and even more upside IMO.

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Andre Berto has never been in with a good opponent thats why he has that KO ratio.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Where has Berto shown anything except at least very good power? He has knocked out 19 of 22 opponents, His second and fouth fight were both UD, but since then only his fight with Rivera has gone the distance, and that flash knockdown in that fight is the only round I've seen him lose this far, and probably in his entire career. He has Lennox Lewis salivating over his potential. He's probably the fastest guy in the 147 pound division(Zab is up there, but he's 30, and doesn't throw combinations like Andre) He has had good middle stage fights with Rivera, Estrada(who went 12 rounds wiht MOsley, and it took 10 rounds for Cintron to KO him), and Rodriguez isn't a bad fighter either. He is fighting Forbes which should be a better evaluation of his skill level.

I don't see why people don't see his style as very dangerous for Cotto, he is resilient, he has great stamina, he DOES throw with power, and his most dangerous punch, the uppercut, is the punch Cotto is most susceptible to. I have acknowledged he needs a few more fights to face guys like Cotto, but I can't believe people are being this hard on this guy, I mean Hopkins had barely turned pro by 24, Cotto had foughten Torres and Corley and nobody at that point would have thought he would beat Judah or Mosley down the road because they had seen just how vulnerable he was. Berto has shown way less vulnerability and even more upside IMO.

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Andre Berto has never been in with a good opponent thats why he has that KO ratio.

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Agreed look at Carl Froch.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Berto is not ready to fight the likes of Cotto,Margarito,Williams and even Judah and Clottey yet.He should fight somebody like Jose Luis castillio and go from their.

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I disagree he has a belt now. I f he is willing to be a belt holder he has to face all the challenges that came with it

Berto's strap means as much to me as Mora's... They both got them and good for them... They both earned them... But can they keep them? Mora has a better shot then Berto.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Berto is not ready to fight the likes of Cotto,Margarito,Williams and even Judah and Clottey yet.He should fight somebody like Jose Luis castillio and go from their.

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Berto doesn't need to waste his time with a shot JLC. He need a real challenge, somebody who can take him deep and give him some real trouble. Collazo is next in line for a shot at Berto's WBC belt and that would be the logic next set for him. It would be a rare opportunity to get a title defense against his #2 contender AND fight a guy who is the perfect level for your career development. He might not even get past Collazo. If he does, he'll be ready to step up against one of the top welters.

I'm just not understanding all this Berto love. He's rediculously overrated and unless he outworks him(which he probably would) Collazo is the more skilled fighter. Berto's power is good not crazy. His handspeed is good but he is just so over rated.

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

I'm just not understanding all this Berto love. He's rediculously overrated and unless he outworks him(which he probably would) Collazo is the more skilled fighter. Berto's power is good not crazy. His handspeed is good but he is just so over rated.

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I agree, and he's the larger man, too. Notice I said he might not get past Collazo. That is the fight he needs to make to justify all the hype.

Berto has only in in with taylor-made opposition. Fighting Forbes is weak move , too. Forbes is better that the other guys he's fought, but Stevie belongs back down at 140 and Berto will be much bigger.

Agreed. Forbes will get outmuscled but no one will ever say 2 pound lacks sack!