Miguel Cotto...

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You don't think people would pay to see a rematch right away? Do you live on earth?

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If so, then I guess people would pay to see a rematch right away to see Tyson vs Lewis II, Morales vs Pac IV, etc.:rolleyes:

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I dont know anyone that thinks Cotto was humiliated.

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it was far from humiliating

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Everybody thinks the fight was close and that the stoppage and corner throwing the towel was unfair, far from humiliating really:).

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He's been fighting top level opposition since early in his career and he hasn't slowed down.

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Welcome back CutMeMick!
Hhhhmmmm not sure if I can agree with him facing top level opposition. 2 guys passed their primes and coming from loosing streaks and everybody before that can we say past opponents were the greatest threats out there? Cotto finally faces a guy in his prime, young, etc. And things didn't go as expected.

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Like who?

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Oh please don't say Mayweather:lickish:. We'll respect his retired status and focus on guys who are not retired
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Chino,
When you compare how fighters are brought up and and carried along the rankings it's easy to see Cotto fought good competition since early in his career. He was NOT fighting opponents who were debuting, he was fighting experienced oppostion. This can clearly be seen when you see his name on opponents record and before OR after him that same opponent fought the likes of JLC, PBF, Corrale, Popo, Manfredy who were already established fighters and he was just fighting in his 9th, 10th fight.

When your fighting former world champs in just your 14th fight that really says something and Bazan after that went on a good wining streak.

At 18-0 he stopped Sosa in 4 rounds, who had previously gone 12 with PBF and PBF was 29-0.

That to me speaks volumes when your a prospect and your fighting the same level of opposition as the top fighters are.

I wouldn't mind seeing him fight williams.

even if berto wasn't fighting forbes, i still don't think that it would be a good choice for him to fight cotto.. too much of a risk, and considering cotto is coming off of a loss it won't be as high regarded of a victory.. granted it would be a hell of a feat if berto beat cotto, but i just don't think this is the right time..

Cintron got destroyed by margarito twice.. that is the only reason why i wouldn't be too excited to see him fight cotto.. woul dbe entertaining, but not the most exciting fight.

I think PW is the fight right here. PW was undefeated until recently, and avenged his loss.. as far as i'm concerned PW is held in pretty high regard as far as credibility goes in the WW division, even though he lost to someone who he very soonafter KO'd in 1 round..

so Cintron or PW for a comeback fight, and if i had to choose it would be PW.

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Chino,
When you compare how fighters are brought up and and carried along the rankings it's easy to see Cotto fought good competition since early in his career.

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Sure, but not sure if we can compare his resume to ODLH's or Floyd's. I went through his resume before and I just don’t see a comparable opposition to the already-mentioned. ODLH fought some big names from his 14th fight and up. I see some good competition in Cotto's resume but nobody THAT big. When he finally faced someone in his prime and a big name things didn't go as expected even when he faced journeymen. Some fighters come back strong after their first loss. Cotto is young and I can imagine him back on track to get back to his status. Hopefully, we'll see him facing top opposition this time and not just good competition.

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When your fighting former world champs in just your 14th fight that really says something and Bazan after that went on a good wining streak.

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Sure. Bazan had a decent punching power. Had a few losses under his belt when he faced Cotto and recently has been on a loosing streak. Recently lost in Las Vegas by KO.

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Originally Posted by Chino

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Chino,
When you compare how fighters are brought up and and carried along the rankings it's easy to see Cotto fought good competition since early in his career.

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Sure, but not sure if we can compare his resume to ODLH's or Floyd's. I went through his resume before and I just don’t see a comparable opposition to the already-mentioned. ODLH fought some big names from his 14th fight and up. I see some good competition in Cotto's resume but nobody THAT big. When he finally faced someone in his prime and a big name things didn't go as expected even when he faced journeymen. Some fighters come back strong after their first loss. Cotto is young and I can imagine him back on track to get back to his status. Hopefully, we'll see him facing top opposition this time and not just good competition.

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When your fighting former world champs in just your 14th fight that really says something and Bazan after that went on a good wining streak.

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Sure. Bazan had a decent punching power. Had a few losses under his belt when he faced Cotto and recently has been on a loosing streak. Recently lost in Las Vegas by KO.

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Now just look at that, it took the names of ODLH & PBF to be able to put Cottos career inot perspective as far as his accomplishments.
Doesn't that tell you something?
Those are 2 ATG and it took their careers to be able to compare it to what Cottos done. That says a lot.

All I'm saying is he's been fighting 3, 4 times a year every year for the past 4 yrs. or so whether he likes it or not that will take it's toll on him.

People have to realize the kind of toll his body has taken with fighting up to 3 times a year. Name a another World Champ who fights as actively and often as Miguel?
They are VERY few and selected.

I can't help it but think that Team Cotto will be smart enough to get a fight in his hometown of PR to get his confidence back up. No one too dangerous but someone who he can gain confidence with and beat.

Fighting someone like Paul or Berto or for that matter anyone whos a live opponent like Collazo, Cintron etc. etc.
Is as stupid of a managing mistake as one can make, the way the fight went and the way Cotto fought he needs confidence booster and for that he needs the perfect opponent.

Anyone who thinks otherwise and says Cotto needs to comeback strong and fight guys like Paul, Berto etc. etc. is clearly NOT seeing the big picture here or maybe he is and he just wants to see Cotto loose again. ;)

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Now just look at that, it took the names of ODLH & PBF to be able to put Cottos career inot perspective as far as his accomplishments.

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I took those names because people here start threads every day about how ODLH and PBF are nothing compared to Cotto over and over and also to show that Cotto's resume is not really at the same level if we compare names. We can't deny ODLH's resume is admirable regardless of how much ODLH is disliked.

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All I'm saying is he's been fighting 3, 4 times a year every year for the past 4 yrs. or so whether he likes it or not that will take it's toll on him.

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That's right. Quite a busy schedule when he could try 2 fights a year like most big names do. Let's have Cotto get a couple of wins here and there to get his confidence back and bring back his name to where it was.

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Originally Posted by Chino

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You don't think people would pay to see a rematch right away? Do you live on earth?

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If so, then I guess people would pay to see a rematch right away to see Tyson vs Lewis II, Morales vs Pac IV, etc.:rolleyes:

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I dont know anyone that thinks Cotto was humiliated.

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Everybody thinks the fight was close and that the stoppage and corner throwing the towel was unfair, far from humiliating really:).

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He's been fighting top level opposition since early in his career and he hasn't slowed down.

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Welcome back CutMeMick!
Hhhhmmmm not sure if I can agree with him facing top level opposition. 2 guys passed their primes and coming from loosing streaks and everybody before that can we say past opponents were the greatest threats out there? Cotto finally faces a guy in his prime, young, etc. And things didn't go as expected.

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Like who?

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Oh please don't say Mayweather:lickish:. We'll respect his retired status and focus on guys who are not retired
:cool:.

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Chino,

I see this fight as more like Vasquez-Marquez2 than Lewis-Tyson2. Both guys are still in their primes. A stoppage shouldn't be humiliating, zero defect fans and announcers over exaggerate losses. Cotto lost and was injured in the fight, he has the skill to continue to compete at this level and the fight was very close until the 8th round. Even then he was fighting hard, just gassed out from swallowing his blood and the body work. Making changes to the game plan and training harder can easily change the outcome of the fight. I can't understand how an 11 round stoppage of a 12 round fight makes it non competetive and a rematch useless??? Maybe Hearns shouldn't have rematched Leonard, or did they wait too long? I think they need to do it again because it was a competetive, entertaining fight. And they need to do it soon because a fighters prime is a short window.

I really would like to see Cotto returning to fight with Clotey or Berto , i think this could be a good challenge for him , for beginning after a lose , that could show how mentally strongest he is after all.................

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

People have to realize the kind of toll his body has taken with fighting up to 3 times a year. Name a another World Champ who fights as actively and often as Miguel?
They are VERY few and selected.

I can't help it but think that Team Cotto will be smart enough to get a fight in his hometown of PR to get his confidence back up. No one too dangerous but someone who he can gain confidence with and beat.

Fighting someone like Paul or Berto or for that matter anyone whos a live opponent like Collazo, Cintron etc. etc.
Is as stupid of a managing mistake as one can make, the way the fight went and the way Cotto fought he needs confidence booster and for that he needs the perfect opponent.

Anyone who thinks otherwise and says Cotto needs to comeback strong and fight guys like Paul, Berto etc. etc. is clearly NOT seeing the big picture here or maybe he is and he just wants to see Cotto loose again. ;)

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Agreed here,To many young talents never give them selves the oppurtunity to rebound properly when coming off a big time loss,more often its Networks and management trying to recapture the top glory in one fight when it took numerous battles to obtain that status in the first place!The last thing he needs is to get any where near a rematch with Margarito....Oddly,NOW is when he should be fighting a Alfonso Gomez type ;D

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Oddly,NOW is when he should be fighting a Alfonso Gomez type ;D

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Very true...

LuvFightGame,
Good points but Vasquez/Marquez kept coming back at each other, both going down, etc. Could have gone either way. With Cotto/Margarito, the fight went one way early on and it could be seen that the fight would get stopped sooner or later. With Vasquez/Marquez it kept going back and forth.

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The last thing he needs is to get any where near a rematch with Margarito....Oddly,NOW is when he should be fighting a Alfonso Gomez type

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Spicoli,
I was about to say that. A "Alfonso Gomez" type of challenger would be exciting to his devoted fans who saw it as one of his greatest victories.

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Originally Posted by Chino

A "Alfonso Gomez" type of challenger would be exciting to his devoted fans who saw it as one of his greatest victories.

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I take it your just throwing "bait" here trying to see who you rail in...
I'll tell you like I've told several people.
Be careful what you wish for, cause it can comeback and bite you in the ass. ;)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Chino

A "Alfonso Gomez" type of challenger would be exciting to his devoted fans who saw it as one of his greatest victories.

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I take it your just throwing "bait" here trying to see who you rail in...
I'll tell you like I've told several people.
Be careful what you wish for, cause it can comeback and bite you in the ass. ;)

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In one of the many topics that talked about how Cotto is the greatest some people even mentioned how the Alfonso Gomez fight was such an accomplishment, remember?:rolleyes: It was one of those topics where Forbes, and Diaz, were also mentioned as stepping stone challengers.