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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Nah, JT's been measured of late and for the most part we agree...
JT knows where I stand with this kid.
Here it is...
He has immense potential.
He has great speed...
He has good power...
But he's faced no one.
I WANT him to prove me wrong or he will just be another Lacy... Floundering(now THAT is gonna make JT throw some furniture around;D)
The great thing is that, with a belt, he'll probably get a chance to prove you wrong fairly soon. Even the gatekeepers at WW are dangerous ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Nah, JT's been measured of late and for the most part we agree...
JT knows where I stand with this kid.
Here it is...
He has immense potential.
He has great speed...
He has good power...
But he's faced no one.
I WANT him to prove me wrong or he will just be another Lacy... Floundering(now THAT is gonna make JT throw some furniture around;D)
I know that's right!Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsThe great thing is that, with a belt, he'll probably get a chance to prove you wrong fairly soon. Even the gatekeepers at WW are dangerous ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Nah, JT's been measured of late and for the most part we agree...
JT knows where I stand with this kid.
Here it is...
He has immense potential.
He has great speed...
He has good power...
But he's faced no one.
I WANT him to prove me wrong or he will just be another Lacy... Floundering(now THAT is gonna make JT throw some furniture around;D)
I hope it's right...
I hope he does.
That D's been getting better but I hope he doesn't hit the Lacy wall...
Where potential and loses meet.
This is very true.He deserves the chance to breakout or properly swim with the fishes ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by uwey
I can see Tony hiding under the covers right now.Is he fighting at Middleweight as well his next time up ;D.I'd love this rematch but I believe Williams is on his way up and waving goodbye to the welter division.
No you don't. You actually want to see him get exposed. And you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
You know, I agree with most of what you say... I meant Lacy by the way his career has gone not the way he fights but I'd LOVE him to prove me wrong.
He's a decent fighter and I give everyone a fair shake but this over rating him is rediculous
LOL, well I'd be OK with either but I see his skill set and think he has the ability to be a worthwhile draw... The hype pisses me off though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseNo you don't. You actually want to see him get exposed. And you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
You know, I agree with most of what you say... I meant Lacy by the way his career has gone not the way he fights but I'd LOVE him to prove me wrong.
He's a decent fighter and I give everyone a fair shake but this over rating him is rediculous
So if he gets sparked, OK...
I don't expect everyone to be superman.
Even if he loses against elite... It's what he does in his comeback that will really show me who he is...
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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
When you become a guru of boxing I will take your advice, until then you don't really have a point, Mayweather had a lot of fights where he didn't look better then Berto. EVen in his second or third fights against Sanders or Saunders the southpaw he looked bad. I agree Mayweather is better then Berto, but who has Mayweather not been better then? Mayweather by his 12th fight has been better then any fighter that far along in their career since Ray Leonard pretty much. Roy Jones looked not all that great until he got more comfortable in the ring, and I think thats all Berto needs. Once he gets more relaxed his speed will allow him to dominate way more than he is now, even though he is dominating legit opponents quite handidly. Berto is doing fine, people are underrating him way too much. Forbes will not badly outbox him.
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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONI know that's right!Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsThe great thing is that, with a belt, he'll probably get a chance to prove you wrong fairly soon. Even the gatekeepers at WW are dangerous ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
I hope it's right...
I hope he does.
That D's been getting better but I hope he doesn't hit the Lacy wall...
Where potential and loses meet.
He is totally different then Lacy, When Lacy was meeting the same caliber fighters that Berto is now, he was having tough grueling fights, where his superior athleticism was winning out for him, but he was getting hit a lot, he was in control, but not dominating fights. Berto has been dominating every fight he has been in, he hasn't even had to switch gears or really put forth his best effort. We haven't even seen half the stuff he is capable off, he has the best handspeed at WW, he has great footspeed that he doens't always use, and he can throw combinations very, very well. Just give him time to calm down a little in the ring.
Teath, read my first thread... I said career wise that's where I think he'll end up... I think that the way they fight is two different worlds.Quote:
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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONI know that's right!Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollins
I hope it's right...
I hope he does.
That D's been getting better but I hope he doesn't hit the Lacy wall...
Where potential and loses meet.
He is totally different then Lacy, When Lacy was meeting the same caliber fighters that Berto is now, he was having tough grueling fights, where his superior athleticism was winning out for him, but he was getting hit a lot, he was in control, but not dominating fights. Berto has been dominating every fight he has been in, he hasn't even had to switch gears or really put forth his best effort. We haven't even seen half the stuff he is capable off, he has the best handspeed at WW, he has great footspeed that he doens't always use, and he can throw combinations very, very well. Just give him time to calm down a little in the ring.
But other then not reding my post...
You're right!
I did read your post, but what I am saying is, there were bread crumbs signaling his cataclysmic failure all along in Lacy's career that we were all to blind to see until it was too late. Berto has none of those bread crumbs, not because of style, but because he is way better then Lacy, he hits harder p4p, he as fast with his hands as anyone who has ever foughten, he is getting difficult to hit, he is a big strong guy, and he moves well when he does it. Where Lacy didn't take use of his handspeed or athleticism, instead he would just throw haymakers, and hope he could stop his opponent, Berto is following a jab, working on his fundamentals, improving each fight, and he is learning how to truly use his speed to set up opponents with it, I would like him to change tempo a little bit more, but once he starts throw slower punches to lull opponents into false security from time to time he will be an offensive monster we will not seen since Roy Jones was in his prime, we won't ever see the same evasive skills, but offensively Berto could easily become a legend.
I said he had the potential to be as good! That doesn't mean I think he will be as good as Floyd. If Roger or Floyd Sr trained him now for a couple of years I could see him beating the rest of the division. His defence alone has improved ten fold over the last 5 fights or so and his speed and skill have always been evident. One thing I would already give him over Floyd is punch power!
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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
Did you mean to use 'meats' instead of 'meets'.... ? Just wondering.
....it's easy to look good vs the guys Berto has foughtQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Jeff Lacy was always one dimensional and he struggled against decent opposition like Sheika, Vanderpool, even before the Calzaghe fight. There were big cracks in his game........
Where as Andre Berto is a much more well rouned fighter he has a good jab and can box at mid range, and he can also come forward and put good effective pressure on with lightning quick combinations............
He may be somewhat overrated but theres no way he ends up like Lacy, i think he can hang with most of the top Welterweights, even if he loses he will give a good account of himself...........
I just think he needs to tighten up his defense a little and not get wild which he has done quite alot. But one problel i do see is that i don't think he is really going to get any better, he hasn't showed me any real improvements like Mayweather, Cotto, did in there early fights............
They say when a fighter wins a world title it automatically makes them a 25 percent better fighter or something like that, lets see if he can show us anything new against Forbes who is a decent test although not the fight i wanted to see. I want to see Collazo vs Berto now if Berto could win that fight that would tell me for certain he is elite.
I totally agree.
He is young talented fighter but his level of competition even in his title figtht have been poor.
Forbes will pose him problems with his boxing skills but is too small.
Lets see what happens to Berto if he fights Margarito or Williams, etc.