Re: Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!
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Jermain Taylor wins this hands down even though he lost to Kelly Pavlik twice, you saw his best boxing abilities, and his best brawling abilities in both fights. Jermain Talor fought the best in those 2 championship fights, better than he had in any other of his championship fights.
I never really thought Jeff Lacy was that good of a fighter personally, but i do admire his courage and guts. But lets bet honest here he was almost KO'ed by a bum in his last fight, and has been struggling with the likes of Peter Manfredo.
I have gave Jeff Lacy two chances to show me something but he hasn't shown me anything, except for heart and guts but he has always had that. I think Jeff Lacy gets an embarrassing beating in this fight, but both fighters are good people outside the ring. So i wish both of em the best of luck in this fight im not rooting for anyone.
I guess you being an amatuer fighter things like injuries dont affect your career, let alone a torn rotator cuff.. I mean hell what do you need that for right??
Dont BS around either, you know damn well Mendoza is one dimensional, but that one dimension is 1 punch KO power, look at his % I think it speaks for itself.. Not to mention all the fouling he got away with
Injury or no injury that wasn't my point JT the fact is whether its the injury or not, he clearly isn't the same fighter. And his punch resistance looks very shaky to me.
Epifanio Mendoza i'll admit i had only seen 2 of his fights when he upset Rubin Williams, and when he lost to Chad Dawson. But he is a shot fighter now and he is a gatekeeper for upcoming prospects.
If Jeff Lacy was at the elite level which he clearly isn't anymore, he should have handled Mendoza with ease. And you talk about Mendoza's punching power but if you actually look at his record, the only real name he has stopped was Rubin Williams. No other names on his record are worth mentioning.
JT even you have to admit Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter. He couldn't avoid any of Mendoza's punches and lets remember how limited Mendoza actually is. I gave Jeff Lacy praise in my last post like i said he is very gutsy fighter, but that doesn't change the fact he is a shot fighter physically and mentally. And Jermain Taylor should give Jeff Lacy a beating, based on Jeff Lacy's recent performances.
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Taylor is going to take Lacy to school.
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Going by their recent performances Taylor has been more impressive. Since Calzaghe and the injury Lacy has really been struggling. I hope Lacy can make a fight of it, but Taylor has the edge.
Re: Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!
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ICB
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JT Rock
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ICB
Jermain Taylor wins this hands down even though he lost to Kelly Pavlik twice, you saw his best boxing abilities, and his best brawling abilities in both fights. Jermain Talor fought the best in those 2 championship fights, better than he had in any other of his championship fights.
I never really thought Jeff Lacy was that good of a fighter personally, but i do admire his courage and guts. But lets bet honest here he was almost KO'ed by a bum in his last fight, and has been struggling with the likes of Peter Manfredo.
I have gave Jeff Lacy two chances to show me something but he hasn't shown me anything, except for heart and guts but he has always had that. I think Jeff Lacy gets an embarrassing beating in this fight, but both fighters are good people outside the ring. So i wish both of em the best of luck in this fight im not rooting for anyone.
I guess you being an amatuer fighter things like injuries dont affect your career, let alone a torn rotator cuff.. I mean hell what do you need that for right??
Dont BS around either, you know damn well Mendoza is one dimensional, but that one dimension is 1 punch KO power, look at his % I think it speaks for itself.. Not to mention all the fouling he got away with
Injury or no injury that wasn't my point JT the fact is whether its the injury or not, he clearly isn't the same fighter. And his punch resistance looks very shaky to me.
Epifanio Mendoza i'll admit i had only seen 2 of his fights when he upset Rubin Williams, and when he lost to Chad Dawson. But he is a shot fighter now and he is a gatekeeper for upcoming prospects.
If Jeff Lacy was at the elite level which he clearly isn't anymore, he should have handled Mendoza with ease. And you talk about Mendoza's punching power but if you actually look at his record, the only real name he has stopped was Rubin Williams. No other names on his record are worth mentioning.
JT even you have to admit Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter. He couldn't avoid any of Mendoza's punches and lets remember how limited Mendoza actually is. I gave Jeff Lacy praise in my last post like i said he is very gutsy fighter, but that doesn't change the fact he is a shot fighter physically and mentally. And Jermain Taylor should give Jeff Lacy a beating, based on Jeff Lacy's recent performances.
Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg
Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.
Re: Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!
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killersheep
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ICB
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JT Rock
I guess you being an amatuer fighter things like injuries dont affect your career, let alone a torn rotator cuff.. I mean hell what do you need that for right??
Dont BS around either, you know damn well Mendoza is one dimensional, but that one dimension is 1 punch KO power, look at his % I think it speaks for itself.. Not to mention all the fouling he got away with
Injury or no injury that wasn't my point JT the fact is whether its the injury or not, he clearly isn't the same fighter. And his punch resistance looks very shaky to me.
Epifanio Mendoza i'll admit i had only seen 2 of his fights when he upset Rubin Williams, and when he lost to Chad Dawson. But he is a shot fighter now and he is a gatekeeper for upcoming prospects.
If Jeff Lacy was at the elite level which he clearly isn't anymore, he should have handled Mendoza with ease. And you talk about Mendoza's punching power but if you actually look at his record, the only real name he has stopped was Rubin Williams. No other names on his record are worth mentioning.
JT even you have to admit Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter. He couldn't avoid any of Mendoza's punches and lets remember how limited Mendoza actually is. I gave Jeff Lacy praise in my last post like i said he is very gutsy fighter, but that doesn't change the fact he is a shot fighter physically and mentally. And Jermain Taylor should give Jeff Lacy a beating, based on Jeff Lacy's recent performances.
Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg
Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.
I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.
But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.
I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.
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killersheep
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ICB
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JT Rock
I guess you being an amatuer fighter things like injuries dont affect your career, let alone a torn rotator cuff.. I mean hell what do you need that for right??
Dont BS around either, you know damn well Mendoza is one dimensional, but that one dimension is 1 punch KO power, look at his % I think it speaks for itself.. Not to mention all the fouling he got away with
Injury or no injury that wasn't my point JT the fact is whether its the injury or not, he clearly isn't the same fighter. And his punch resistance looks very shaky to me.
Epifanio Mendoza i'll admit i had only seen 2 of his fights when he upset Rubin Williams, and when he lost to Chad Dawson. But he is a shot fighter now and he is a gatekeeper for upcoming prospects.
If Jeff Lacy was at the elite level which he clearly isn't anymore, he should have handled Mendoza with ease. And you talk about Mendoza's punching power but if you actually look at his record, the only real name he has stopped was Rubin Williams. No other names on his record are worth mentioning.
JT even you have to admit Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter. He couldn't avoid any of Mendoza's punches and lets remember how limited Mendoza actually is. I gave Jeff Lacy praise in my last post like i said he is very gutsy fighter, but that doesn't change the fact he is a shot fighter physically and mentally. And Jermain Taylor should give Jeff Lacy a beating, based on Jeff Lacy's recent performances.
Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg
Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.
Yea no kidding that had some stank on it... To go along with those chops to the back of the head he was landing all nite on Jeff.. I dont care if Mendoza has been fighting railroad bums.. IF YOU HAD REALLY HEARD OF MENDOZA than you would know the guy has serious KO power
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ICB
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killersheep
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ICB
Injury or no injury that wasn't my point JT the fact is whether its the injury or not, he clearly isn't the same fighter. And his punch resistance looks very shaky to me.
Epifanio Mendoza i'll admit i had only seen 2 of his fights when he upset Rubin Williams, and when he lost to Chad Dawson. But he is a shot fighter now and he is a gatekeeper for upcoming prospects.
If Jeff Lacy was at the elite level which he clearly isn't anymore, he should have handled Mendoza with ease. And you talk about Mendoza's punching power but if you actually look at his record, the only real name he has stopped was Rubin Williams. No other names on his record are worth mentioning.
JT even you have to admit Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter. He couldn't avoid any of Mendoza's punches and lets remember how limited Mendoza actually is. I gave Jeff Lacy praise in my last post like i said he is very gutsy fighter, but that doesn't change the fact he is a shot fighter physically and mentally. And Jermain Taylor should give Jeff Lacy a beating, based on Jeff Lacy's recent performances.
Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg
Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.
I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.
But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much.
Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.
I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.
Sorry to tell you this bud but your wrong, a puncher is a puncher... Go ahead call Earnie Shavers a bum then every time he stepped up he lost too right??? But suddenly that means Shavers cant punch either I guess
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ICB
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killersheep
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ICB
Injury or no injury that wasn't my point JT the fact is whether its the injury or not, he clearly isn't the same fighter. And his punch resistance looks very shaky to me.
Epifanio Mendoza i'll admit i had only seen 2 of his fights when he upset Rubin Williams, and when he lost to Chad Dawson. But he is a shot fighter now and he is a gatekeeper for upcoming prospects.
If Jeff Lacy was at the elite level which he clearly isn't anymore, he should have handled Mendoza with ease. And you talk about Mendoza's punching power but if you actually look at his record, the only real name he has stopped was Rubin Williams. No other names on his record are worth mentioning.
JT even you have to admit Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter. He couldn't avoid any of Mendoza's punches and lets remember how limited Mendoza actually is. I gave Jeff Lacy praise in my last post like i said he is very gutsy fighter, but that doesn't change the fact he is a shot fighter physically and mentally. And Jermain Taylor should give Jeff Lacy a beating, based on Jeff Lacy's recent performances.
Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg
Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.
I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.
But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.
I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.
lol, I do consider Mendoza a powerful puncher, and a good opponent, would I say Epi is title contender level? no way,
top 10 at 168? not a chance
but you could sure find out in a hurry how your fighter would handle wild power punches.
Re: Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg
Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.
I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.
But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much.
Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.
I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.
Sorry to tell you this bud but your wrong, a puncher is a puncher... Go ahead call Earnie Shavers a bum then every time he stepped up he lost too right??? But suddenly that means Shavers cant punch either I guess
Oh please JT now your really reaching here now bro, Earnie Shavers KO'ed Ken Norton, Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young, Roy Williams, Joe Bugner, solid opponents. He also put down Larry Holmes with one of the hardest punches i've ever seen that Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thudding sound.
Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have also both stated Earnie Shavers. Is the hardest puncher they have ever fought, and just look at the opposition those guys were in there with thats saying alot. And plus lets not forget Earnie Shavers was in one of the strongest era's in boxing history. I don't know how you compare a mediocre shot fighter like Mendoza to the great Earnie Shavers.
Re: Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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killersheep
Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg
Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.
I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.
But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.
I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.
lol, I do consider Mendoza a powerful puncher, and a good opponent, would I say Epi is title contender level? no way,
top 10 at 168? not a chance
but you could sure find out in a hurry how your fighter would handle wild power punches.
You just basically agreed with what i said Mendoza is nowhere the elite level, he hasn't got world class punching power, and he is not a title contender. All i think this fight tells us is how far Jeff Lacy has fallen, that he now struggles against someone as limited as Mendoza.
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ICB
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JT Rock
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ICB
I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.
But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.
I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.
Sorry to tell you this bud but your wrong, a puncher is a puncher... Go ahead call Earnie Shavers a bum then every time he stepped up he lost too right??? But suddenly that means Shavers cant punch either I guess
Oh please JT now your really reaching here now bro, Earnie Shavers KO'ed Ken Norton, Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young, Roy Williams, Joe Bugner, solid opponents. He also put down Larry Holmes with one of the hardest punches i've ever seen that Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thudding sound.
Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have also both stated Earnie Shavers. Is the hardest puncher they have ever fought, and just look at the opposition those guys were in there with thats saying alot. And plus lets not forget Earnie Shavers was in one of the strongest era's in boxing history. I don't know how you compare a mediocre shot fighter like Mendoza to the great Earnie Shavers.
AH YES!!! just going buy what you said dude.. Mendoze cant punch for dookey as far as your concerned because everytime he stepped up he lost..
I know Shavers was great, but I think its ridiculous of your criteria for a power puncher.. I mean cmon man.. Goes to show power alone dosent win fights but dosent mean Mendoza cant punch nor does it mean Lacy has incredibly low punch resistance now because he got hit with bombs from Mendoza
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I really wish this one would have taken place a couple of years ago.Lacy has enough heart to supply an army but I do believe he is well on the other side.Taylor has shown in Pavlik rematch that he is still very capable of making adjustments and boxing off that sharp jab.I think that will hold the key vs.Lacy and lead to a victory for Taylor.
Mendoza while inconsistent,is a legit purest puncher,long rangy type power & was shaking Lacy repeatedly.The more telling thing for me is that Lacy was there so frequently to catch those shots.That man has a chin.
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ICB
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killersheep
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ICB
I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.
But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.
I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.
lol,
I do consider Mendoza a powerful puncher, and a good opponent, would I say Epi is title contender level? no way,
top 10 at 168? not a chance
but you could sure find out in a hurry how your fighter would handle wild power punches.
You just basically agreed with what i said Mendoza is nowhere the elite level,
he hasn't got world class punching power, and he is not a title contender. All i think this fight tells us is how far Jeff Lacy has fallen, that he now struggles against someone as limited as Mendoza.
Hey man I read something different there... MENDOZA hits hard whether you like it or not, regardless of the ICB acceptance scale
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JT Rock
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ICB
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JT Rock
Sorry to tell you this bud but your wrong, a puncher is a puncher... Go ahead call Earnie Shavers a bum then every time he stepped up he lost too right??? But suddenly that means Shavers cant punch either I guess
Oh please JT now your really reaching here now bro, Earnie Shavers KO'ed Ken Norton, Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young, Roy Williams, Joe Bugner, solid opponents. He also put down Larry Holmes with one of the hardest punches i've ever seen that Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thudding sound.
Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have also both stated Earnie Shavers. Is the hardest puncher they have ever fought, and just look at the opposition those guys were in there with thats saying alot. And plus lets not forget Earnie Shavers was in one of the strongest era's in boxing history. I don't know how you compare a mediocre shot fighter like Mendoza to the great Earnie Shavers.
AH YES!!! just going buy what you said dude.. Mendoze cant punch for dookey as far as your concerned because everytime he stepped up he lost..
I know Shavers was great, but I think its ridiculous of your criteria for a power puncher.. I mean cmon man.. Goes to show power alone dosent win fights but dosent mean Mendoza cant punch nor does it mean Lacy has incredibly low punch resistance now because he got hit with bombs from Mendoza
JT i think you need to read my post again i never said Mendoza can't punch. I just thought Killersheep was seriously overrating Mendoza's punching power saying "he hits incredibly hard" when thats not the case.
The point i was making about Mendoza never stopping an opponent when he stepped up, except Rubin Williams. Because that shows he hasn't got world class punching power. And considering how weak the Middleweight/Super Middleweight division has been in recent years i think thats saying something. Which is totally different to Earnie Shavers who was arguably in the top 5 strongest era's in boxing history.
Can Mendoza hit ? sure he can do damage but he certainly isn't nowhere near one the top punches in boxing today, i would find it hard to even have him in the top 40 hardest punchers in current day boxing.
Jeff Lacy was wobbling alot in that fight and he was also hurt against Vitali Tsypko, who is no puncher. Thats why im worried about Jeff Lacy's punch resistance.
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ICB
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killersheep
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ICB
I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.
But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.
I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.
lol, I do consider Mendoza a powerful puncher, and a good opponent, would I say Epi is title contender level? no way,
top 10 at 168? not a chance
but you could sure find out in a hurry how your fighter would handle wild power punches.
You just basically agreed with what i said Mendoza is nowhere the elite level, he hasn't got world class punching power, and he is not a title contender. All i think this fight tells us is how far Jeff Lacy has fallen, that he now struggles against someone as limited as Mendoza.
Well you got 2 out of 3 right, Mendoza has power, your denying it doesn't make it less true. In fact, I think that you are the only one that thinks Mendoza doesn't have world class power.
