Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!

[ICB]

I guess you being an amatuer fighter things like injuries dont affect your career, let alone a torn rotator cuff.. I mean hell what do you need that for right??

Dont BS around either, you know damn well Mendoza is one dimensional, but that one dimension is 1 punch KO power, look at his % I think it speaks for itself.. Not to mention all the fouling he got away with

Injury or no injury that wasn't my point JT the fact is whether its the injury or not, he clearly isn't the same fighter. And his punch resistance looks very shaky to me.

Epifanio Mendoza i'll admit i had only seen 2 of his fights when he upset Rubin Williams, and when he lost to Chad Dawson. But he is a shot fighter now and he is a gatekeeper for upcoming prospects.

If Jeff Lacy was at the elite level which he clearly isn't anymore, he should have handled Mendoza with ease. And you talk about Mendoza's punching power but if you actually look at his record, the only real name he has stopped was Rubin Williams. No other names on his record are worth mentioning.

JT even you have to admit Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter. He couldn't avoid any of Mendoza's punches and lets remember how limited Mendoza actually is. I gave Jeff Lacy praise in my last post like i said he is very gutsy fighter, but that doesn't change the fact he is a shot fighter physically and mentally. And Jermain Taylor should give Jeff Lacy a beating, based on Jeff Lacy's recent performances.

Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg

Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.

I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.

But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.

I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.

[JT Rock]

Injury or no injury that wasn't my point JT the fact is whether its the injury or not, he clearly isn't the same fighter. And his punch resistance looks very shaky to me.

Epifanio Mendoza i'll admit i had only seen 2 of his fights when he upset Rubin Williams, and when he lost to Chad Dawson. But he is a shot fighter now and he is a gatekeeper for upcoming prospects.

If Jeff Lacy was at the elite level which he clearly isn't anymore, he should have handled Mendoza with ease. And you talk about Mendoza's punching power but if you actually look at his record, the only real name he has stopped was Rubin Williams. No other names on his record are worth mentioning.

JT even you have to admit Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter. He couldn't avoid any of Mendoza's punches and lets remember how limited Mendoza actually is. I gave Jeff Lacy praise in my last post like i said he is very gutsy fighter, but that doesn't change the fact he is a shot fighter physically and mentally. And Jermain Taylor should give Jeff Lacy a beating, based on Jeff Lacy's recent performances.

Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg

Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.

I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.

But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.

I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.

Sorry to tell you this bud but your wrong, a puncher is a puncher... Go ahead call Earnie Shavers a bum then every time he stepped up he lost too right But suddenly that means Shavers cant punch either I guess

[ICB]

Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg

Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.

I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.

But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.

I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.

Sorry to tell you this bud but your wrong, a puncher is a puncher... Go ahead call Earnie Shavers a bum then every time he stepped up he lost too right But suddenly that means Shavers cant punch either I guess

Oh please JT now your really reaching here now bro, Earnie Shavers KO'ed Ken Norton, Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young, Roy Williams, Joe Bugner, solid opponents. He also put down Larry Holmes with one of the hardest punches i've ever seen that Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thudding sound.

Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have also both stated Earnie Shavers. Is the hardest puncher they have ever fought, and just look at the opposition those guys were in there with thats saying alot. And plus lets not forget Earnie Shavers was in one of the strongest era's in boxing history. I don't know how you compare a mediocre shot fighter like Mendoza to the great Earnie Shavers.

[JT Rock]

I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.

But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.

I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.

Sorry to tell you this bud but your wrong, a puncher is a puncher... Go ahead call Earnie Shavers a bum then every time he stepped up he lost too right But suddenly that means Shavers cant punch either I guess

Oh please JT now your really reaching here now bro, Earnie Shavers KO'ed Ken Norton, Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young, Roy Williams, Joe Bugner, solid opponents. He also put down Larry Holmes with one of the hardest punches i've ever seen that Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thudding sound.

Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have also both stated Earnie Shavers. Is the hardest puncher they have ever fought, and just look at the opposition those guys were in there with thats saying alot. And plus lets not forget Earnie Shavers was in one of the strongest era's in boxing history. I don't know how you compare a mediocre shot fighter like Mendoza to the great Earnie Shavers.

AH YES!!! just going buy what you said dude.. Mendoze cant punch for dookey as far as your concerned because everytime he stepped up he lost..

I know Shavers was great, but I think its ridiculous of your criteria for a power puncher.. I mean cmon man.. Goes to show power alone dosent win fights but dosent mean Mendoza cant punch nor does it mean Lacy has incredibly low punch resistance now because he got hit with bombs from Mendoza

[ICB]

Sorry to tell you this bud but your wrong, a puncher is a puncher... Go ahead call Earnie Shavers a bum then every time he stepped up he lost too right But suddenly that means Shavers cant punch either I guess

Oh please JT now your really reaching here now bro, Earnie Shavers KO'ed Ken Norton, Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young, Roy Williams, Joe Bugner, solid opponents. He also put down Larry Holmes with one of the hardest punches i've ever seen that Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thudding sound.

Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have also both stated Earnie Shavers. Is the hardest puncher they have ever fought, and just look at the opposition those guys were in there with thats saying alot. And plus lets not forget Earnie Shavers was in one of the strongest era's in boxing history. I don't know how you compare a mediocre shot fighter like Mendoza to the great Earnie Shavers.

AH YES!!! just going buy what you said dude.. Mendoze cant punch for dookey as far as your concerned because everytime he stepped up he lost..

I know Shavers was great, but I think its ridiculous of your criteria for a power puncher.. I mean cmon man.. Goes to show power alone dosent win fights but dosent mean Mendoza cant punch nor does it mean Lacy has incredibly low punch resistance now because he got hit with bombs from Mendoza

JT i think you need to read my post again i never said Mendoza can't punch. I just thought Killersheep was seriously overrating Mendoza's punching power saying "he hits incredibly hard" when thats not the case.

The point i was making about Mendoza never stopping an opponent when he stepped up, except Rubin Williams. Because that shows he hasn't got world class punching power. And considering how weak the Middleweight/Super Middleweight division has been in recent years i think thats saying something. Which is totally different to Earnie Shavers who was arguably in the top 5 strongest era's in boxing history.

Can Mendoza hit ? sure he can do damage but he certainly isn't nowhere near one the top punches in boxing today, i would find it hard to even have him in the top 40 hardest punchers in current day boxing.

Jeff Lacy was wobbling alot in that fight and he was also hurt against Vitali Tsypko, who is no puncher. Thats why im worried about Jeff Lacy's punch resistance.

[killersheep]

Oh please JT now your really reaching here now bro, Earnie Shavers KO'ed Ken Norton, Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young, Roy Williams, Joe Bugner, solid opponents. He also put down Larry Holmes with one of the hardest punches i've ever seen that Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thudding sound.

Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have also both stated Earnie Shavers. Is the hardest puncher they have ever fought, and just look at the opposition those guys were in there with thats saying alot. And plus lets not forget Earnie Shavers was in one of the strongest era's in boxing history. I don't know how you compare a mediocre shot fighter like Mendoza to the great Earnie Shavers.

AH YES!!! just going buy what you said dude.. Mendoze cant punch for dookey as far as your concerned because everytime he stepped up he lost..

I know Shavers was great, but I think its ridiculous of your criteria for a power puncher.. I mean cmon man.. Goes to show power alone dosent win fights but dosent mean Mendoza cant punch nor does it mean Lacy has incredibly low punch resistance now because he got hit with bombs from Mendoza

JT i think you need to read my post again i never said Mendoza can't punch. I just thought Killersheep was seriously overrating Mendoza's punching power saying "he hits incredibly hard" when thats not the case.

The point i was making about Mendoza never stopping an opponent when he stepped up, except Rubin Williams. Because that shows he hasn't got world class punching power. And considering how weak the Middleweight/Super Middleweight division has been in recent years i think thats saying something.

Can he hit ? sure he can do damage but he certainly isn't nowhere near on the top punches in boxing today, i would find it hard to even have him in top 40 punchers in current day boxing.

Jeff Lacy was wobbling alot in that fight and he was hurt against Vitali Tsypko, who is no puncher. Thats why im worried about Jeff Lacy's punch resistance.

Tell you what you what man, make a list of 5 super middleweights that have the one punch KO power of Mendoza and I'll concede the point to you. One punch KO power mind you, not accumulative like Kessler or Andrade

[CFH]

AH YES!!! just going buy what you said dude.. Mendoze cant punch for dookey as far as your concerned because everytime he stepped up he lost..

I know Shavers was great, but I think its ridiculous of your criteria for a power puncher.. I mean cmon man.. Goes to show power alone dosent win fights but dosent mean Mendoza cant punch nor does it mean Lacy has incredibly low punch resistance now because he got hit with bombs from Mendoza

JT i think you need to read my post again i never said Mendoza can't punch. I just thought Killersheep was seriously overrating Mendoza's punching power saying "he hits incredibly hard" when thats not the case.

The point i was making about Mendoza never stopping an opponent when he stepped up, except Rubin Williams. Because that shows he hasn't got world class punching power. And considering how weak the Middleweight/Super Middleweight division has been in recent years i think thats saying something.

Can he hit ? sure he can do damage but he certainly isn't nowhere near on the top punches in boxing today, i would find it hard to even have him in top 40 punchers in current day boxing.

Jeff Lacy was wobbling alot in that fight and he was hurt against Vitali Tsypko, who is no puncher. Thats why im worried about Jeff Lacy's punch resistance.

Tell you what you what man, make a list of 5 super middleweights that have the one punch KO power of Mendoza and I'll concede the point to you. One punch KO power mind you, not accumulative like Kessler or Andrade

Can I play?

For what it's worth I feel the Mendoza is a very big puncher, so I'm not arguing that point, I just want to see if I can list 5 or more bigger (one) punchers at SMW.


Edison Miranda
Carl Froch
Lucien Bute (might be more accumulative)
hmmmm...
Berrio?
maybe Allan Green?
Oganov? (never seen him fight, so can't really say for sure)
maybe Zuniga?

[ICB]

AH YES!!! just going buy what you said dude.. Mendoze cant punch for dookey as far as your concerned because everytime he stepped up he lost..

I know Shavers was great, but I think its ridiculous of your criteria for a power puncher.. I mean cmon man.. Goes to show power alone dosent win fights but dosent mean Mendoza cant punch nor does it mean Lacy has incredibly low punch resistance now because he got hit with bombs from Mendoza

JT i think you need to read my post again i never said Mendoza can't punch. I just thought Killersheep was seriously overrating Mendoza's punching power saying "he hits incredibly hard" when thats not the case.

The point i was making about Mendoza never stopping an opponent when he stepped up, except Rubin Williams. Because that shows he hasn't got world class punching power. And considering how weak the Middleweight/Super Middleweight division has been in recent years i think thats saying something.

Can he hit ? sure he can do damage but he certainly isn't nowhere near on the top punches in boxing today, i would find it hard to even have him in top 40 punchers in current day boxing.

Jeff Lacy was wobbling alot in that fight and he was hurt against Vitali Tsypko, who is no puncher. Thats why im worried about Jeff Lacy's punch resistance.

Tell you what you what man, make a list of 5 super middleweights that have the one punch KO power of Mendoza and I'll concede the point to you. One punch KO power mind you, not accumulative like Kessler or Andrade

Mendoza hasn't got 1 punch KO power i don't why you believe that. But i think Mikkel Kessler, Carl Froch, Edison Miranda, Alejandro Berrio, Librado Andrade, Lucian Bute, Fulgencio Zuniga, all have strong cases for being bigger punchers than Mendoza. And heres a 40 fighters who i consider harder punchers than Mendoza.

Kelly Pavlik
Juan Manuel Marquez
Manny Pacquiao
Roman Gonzalez
David Haye
Wladimir Klitschko
Samuel Peter
Mikke Kessler
Kelly Pavlik
Antonio Tarver
Arthur Abraham
Andre Berto
Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Ricardo Torres
Edwin Valero
Juan Manuel Lopez
Rafael Marquez
Carl Froch
Daniel Ponce De Leon
Edison Miranda
Jhonny Gonzalez
Vic Darchinyan
Enzo Maccarinelli
Ulises Solis
Librado Andrade
Breidis Prescott
Hugo Fidel Cazares
Kermit Cintron
Joel Casamayor
Shane Mosley
Vitali Klitschko
Alexander Povetkin
O'Neil Bell
Herbie Hide
Lucian Bute
Fulgencio Zuniga
Joel Julio
Yuriokris Gamboa
James Kirkland
Victor Ortiz

Theres about 40 fighters who all hit harder than Mendoza, few only about 6 fighters on that list you could argue against.

[Kev]

Oh please JT now your really reaching here now bro, Earnie Shavers KO'ed Ken Norton, Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young, Roy Williams, Joe Bugner, solid opponents. He also put down Larry Holmes with one of the hardest punches i've ever seen that Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thudding sound.

Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have also both stated Earnie Shavers. Is the hardest puncher they have ever fought, and just look at the opposition those guys were in there with thats saying alot. And plus lets not forget Earnie Shavers was in one of the strongest era's in boxing history. I don't know how you compare a mediocre shot fighter like Mendoza to the great Earnie Shavers.

AH YES!!! just going buy what you said dude.. Mendoze cant punch for dookey as far as your concerned because everytime he stepped up he lost..

I know Shavers was great, but I think its ridiculous of your criteria for a power puncher.. I mean cmon man.. Goes to show power alone dosent win fights but dosent mean Mendoza cant punch nor does it mean Lacy has incredibly low punch resistance now because he got hit with bombs from Mendoza

JT i think you need to read my post again i never said Mendoza can't punch. I just thought Killersheep was seriously overrating Mendoza's punching power saying "he hits incredibly hard" when thats not the case.

The point i was making about Mendoza never stopping an opponent when he stepped up, except Rubin Williams. Because that shows he hasn't got world class punching power. And considering how weak the Middleweight/Super Middleweight division has been in recent years i think thats saying something. Which is totally different to Earnie Shavers who was arguably in the top 5 strongest era's in boxing history.

Can Mendoza hit ? sure he can do damage but he certainly isn't nowhere near one the top punches in boxing today, i would find it hard to even have him in the top 40 hardest punchers in current day boxing.

Jeff Lacy was wobbling alot in that fight and he was also hurt against Vitali Tsypko, who is no puncher. Thats why im worried about Jeff Lacy's punch resistance.

Well Edison Miranda and Sam Peter have never KO'd anyone decent, so they obviously can't punch. Valero only name KO was against the little known Mosquera so he must be regarded as as powder puff as well until he KO's a top level genuine great right?


Anyway onto the fight, I agree with the majority that the odds are heavily stacked against Jeff Lacy for this one, he's clearly not been at his best since the Calzaghe loss.

But I'm a HUGE Jeff Lacy fan, love his heart, his passion and his honesty. In fact he's the only American fighter that get that same kind of passionate pride like I do my favourite English fighters.

He's one of the few fighters I want to see suceed on a personal level before a boxing one.

So even though most have already counted him out, I'll be staying up late to support my boy, whooping, hollaring and yahooing at my monitor screen the whole time.

Between now and Christmas he's probably the one fighter who I want to win more than any other, simply because everyone is discounting him and calling him shot. No fighter in the sport has more courage than Jeff Lacy inside the ring and he will give it 100% for 12 full rounds.

Taylor has much the better pedigree but he does lack self belief himself at times, and unlike Jeff takes time off. I expect Taylor to control the fight early and if Jeff comes at him it may suit him and he could even take Jeff apart. But there is a chance imo that Taylor starts to fade down the stretch and if the fight is in the balance down the final third of the fight I can guarantee that Lacy will be working overtime to try and finish the fight on top.

I'll say this much, if this fight is close going into the 10th round I'd put my house on Jeff Lacy winning the last 2 rounds. He's got more heart than any other American fighter imo and I can see Taylor mentally wilting in the 11th and 12th rounds if the fight is close and Lacy winning by a razor thin split decision. That will be good enough for me

[ICB]

AH YES!!! just going buy what you said dude.. Mendoze cant punch for dookey as far as your concerned because everytime he stepped up he lost..

I know Shavers was great, but I think its ridiculous of your criteria for a power puncher.. I mean cmon man.. Goes to show power alone dosent win fights but dosent mean Mendoza cant punch nor does it mean Lacy has incredibly low punch resistance now because he got hit with bombs from Mendoza

JT i think you need to read my post again i never said Mendoza can't punch. I just thought Killersheep was seriously overrating Mendoza's punching power saying "he hits incredibly hard" when thats not the case.

The point i was making about Mendoza never stopping an opponent when he stepped up, except Rubin Williams. Because that shows he hasn't got world class punching power. And considering how weak the Middleweight/Super Middleweight division has been in recent years i think thats saying something. Which is totally different to Earnie Shavers who was arguably in the top 5 strongest era's in boxing history.

Can Mendoza hit ? sure he can do damage but he certainly isn't nowhere near one the top punches in boxing today, i would find it hard to even have him in the top 40 hardest punchers in current day boxing.

Jeff Lacy was wobbling alot in that fight and he was also hurt against Vitali Tsypko, who is no puncher. Thats why im worried about Jeff Lacy's punch resistance.

Well Edison Miranda and Sam Peter have never KO'd anyone decent, so they obviously can't punch. Valero only name KO was against the little known Mosquera so he must be regarded as as powder puff as well until he KO's a top level genuine great right?


Anyway onto the fight, I agree with the majority that the odds are heavily stacked against Jeff Lacy for this one, he's clearly not been at his best since the Calzaghe loss.

But I'm a HUGE Jeff Lacy fan, love his heart, his passion and his honesty. In fact he's the only American fighter that get that same kind of passionate pride like I do my favourite English fighters.

He's one of the few fighters I want to see suceed on a personal level before a boxing one.

So even though most have already counted him out, I'll be staying up late to support my boy, whooping, hollaring and yahooing at my monitor screen the whole time.

Between now and Christmas he's probably the one fighter who I want to win more than any other, simply because everyone is discounting him and calling him shot. No fighter in the sport has more courage than Jeff Lacy inside the ring and he will give it 100% for 12 full rounds.

Taylor has much the better pedigree but he does lack self belief himself at times, and unlike Jeff takes time off. I expect Taylor to control the fight early and if Jeff comes at him it may suit him and he could even take Jeff apart. But there is a chance imo that Taylor starts to fade down the stretch and if the fight is in the balance down the final third of the fight I can guarantee that Lacy will be working overtime to try and finish the fight on top.

I'll say this much, if this fight is close going into the 10th round I'd put my house on Jeff Lacy winning the last 2 rounds. He's got more heart than any other American fighter imo and I can see Taylor mentally wilting in the 11th and 12th rounds if the fight is close and Lacy winning by a razor thin split decision. That will be good enough for me

Edison Miranda stopped iron chinned Howard Eastman who had never been stopped, and showed his power against higher quality opposition. Samuel Peter stopped Oleg Maskaev and again has shown his power against higher quality opposition, but i believe Samuel Peter's power is overratted aswell. I don't need to tell you about Edwin Valero you know the answer yourself.

And did you read what i said Bilbo ? i said he could punch i never said he couldn't, i was merely replying to Killersheep's comment that Mendoza hits incredibly hard. Which i disagreed with so i pointed out why he wasn't a world class puncher, and also pointed out why his power was made too look good against Jeff Lacy, because Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter.

[Spicoli]

I really wish this one would have taken place a couple of years ago.Lacy has enough heart to supply an army but I do believe he is well on the other side.Taylor has shown in Pavlik rematch that he is still very capable of making adjustments and boxing off that sharp jab.I think that will hold the key vs.Lacy and lead to a victory for Taylor.

Mendoza while inconsistent,is a legit purest puncher,long rangy type power & was shaking Lacy repeatedly.The more telling thing for me is that Lacy was there so frequently to catch those shots.That man has a chin.

[killersheep]

Injury or no injury that wasn't my point JT the fact is whether its the injury or not, he clearly isn't the same fighter. And his punch resistance looks very shaky to me.

Epifanio Mendoza i'll admit i had only seen 2 of his fights when he upset Rubin Williams, and when he lost to Chad Dawson. But he is a shot fighter now and he is a gatekeeper for upcoming prospects.

If Jeff Lacy was at the elite level which he clearly isn't anymore, he should have handled Mendoza with ease. And you talk about Mendoza's punching power but if you actually look at his record, the only real name he has stopped was Rubin Williams. No other names on his record are worth mentioning.

JT even you have to admit Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter. He couldn't avoid any of Mendoza's punches and lets remember how limited Mendoza actually is. I gave Jeff Lacy praise in my last post like i said he is very gutsy fighter, but that doesn't change the fact he is a shot fighter physically and mentally. And Jermain Taylor should give Jeff Lacy a beating, based on Jeff Lacy's recent performances.

Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg

Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.

I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.

But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.

I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.

lol, I do consider Mendoza a powerful puncher, and a good opponent, would I say Epi is title contender level? no way,
top 10 at 168? not a chance
but you could sure find out in a hurry how your fighter would handle wild power punches.

[ICB]

Mendoza hits incredibly hard. You are taking away credit where you shouldn't, this is a boxrec moment for you. It honestly sounds like haven't watched the Mendoza/Lacy fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCSrN3kqSg

Listen to how hard the punch at 2:20 is.

I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.

But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.

I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.

lol, I do consider Mendoza a powerful puncher, and a good opponent, would I say Epi is title contender level? no way,
top 10 at 168? not a chance
but you could sure find out in a hurry how your fighter would handle wild power punches.

You just basically agreed with what i said Mendoza is nowhere the elite level, he hasn't got world class punching power, and he is not a title contender. All i think this fight tells us is how far Jeff Lacy has fallen, that he now struggles against someone as limited as Mendoza.

[JT Rock]

I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.

But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.

I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.

lol, I do consider Mendoza a powerful puncher, and a good opponent, would I say Epi is title contender level? no way,
top 10 at 168? not a chance
but you could sure find out in a hurry how your fighter would handle wild power punches.

You just basically agreed with what i said Mendoza is nowhere the elite level, he hasn't got world class punching power, and he is not a title contender. All i think this fight tells us is how far Jeff Lacy has fallen, that he now struggles against someone as limited as Mendoza.

Hey man I read something different there... MENDOZA hits hard whether you like it or not, regardless of the ICB acceptance scale

[killersheep]

I've seen the fight and i never said Mendoza couldn't punch, but he is very limited and a gatekeeper. Everytime he has stepped up he has lost except for when he stopped Rubin Williams.

But thats the only good name he has ever stopped, saying Mendoza hits incredibly hard is overrating Mendoza seriously too much. Before he fought Jeff Lacy everyone considered Mendoza a joke of an opponent, and infact not many people had even heard of him.

I don't see why now people are suddenly considering him as a massive puncher, and a good opponent because he hurt Jeff Lacy and lost a controversial decision. I think its more to do with the fact how much of a shot fighter Jeff Lacy is now, he got hit with the uppercut all night long. And had no gameplan or no defense.

lol, I do consider Mendoza a powerful puncher, and a good opponent, would I say Epi is title contender level? no way,
top 10 at 168? not a chance
but you could sure find out in a hurry how your fighter would handle wild power punches.

You just basically agreed with what i said Mendoza is nowhere the elite level, he hasn't got world class punching power, and he is not a title contender. All i think this fight tells us is how far Jeff Lacy has fallen, that he now struggles against someone as limited as Mendoza.

Well you got 2 out of 3 right, Mendoza has power, your denying it doesn't make it less true. In fact, I think that you are the only one that thinks Mendoza doesn't have world class power.