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What's all the fuss about Vitali keeping his hands low and him going straight back...HE HAS ALWAYS DONE THAT!!!
#1 Vitali keeps his hands low as he is 6'7-6'8 he's extremely tall and hard to hit to the head for a guy like Sam Peter who is 6'0 tall or even a guy like David Haye who is 6'3. He keeps his hands low to protect the body where he is more vulnerable.
#2 Vitali leans straight back to make fighters over extend therefore leaving themselves open to counters.
I thought Peter and Vitali fought to their usual level. Peter's a limited plodder.. his only chance was Vitali showing severe ring rust - obviously that didn't happen.
Haye's success at heavyweight will be decided by the effect his bombs have on fighters chins.. Vitali has always shown a granite chin.
I would make Haye a BIG underdog against Vitali.. in fact i'd be SHOCKED if he beat him.
It would be a travesty though if a fighter with Haye's ability couldn't beat Peter.
I see Sam Peter-David Haye as a toss up right now. Sure Peter is slow and can't box but Haye is vulnerable to letting himself get hit too often and if Sam is able to keep "touching" (as Teddy Atlas puts it) Haye then David will have a FULL FIGHT on his hands. Sam has a great chin and well frankly we have no clue about what David Haye can and cannot take.
WBO number 6. Not a bum. Unlike Tony Thompson and Ray Austin and Jameel McCline Dr Slap has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
If Haye gets past Barrett (which he should), I'd like to see that fight. It would be a good indicator of where both fighters stand in the division. I would *think* Haye would win, but you never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
All those guys earned their shotsQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Tony Thompson - Beat Guinn, Timor Ibragimov, and Luan Krasniqi back to back to back. Had never been KO'd before either and he was a mandatory Wlad didn't want to fight AND he was a 6'5 SOUTHPAW who NOBODY wants to fight, not because of power but because of strength, size, and he's awkward.
Ray Austin - Had an eliminator bout with Sultan Ibragimov and fought Sultan to a draw and Sultan chose to fight for one belt and Tony fought for Wlad's belt. Once again a mandatory who Wlad finished without ever throwing his moneymaker right cross...that was a devistating KO.
Jameel McCline - beat Michael Grant, Lance Whittaker, and Shannon Briggs back to back to back to get a shot vs Wladimir. McCline is obviously still a solid heavyweight having given Sam Peter the fight of his life not too long ago and I think had McCline's knee not given out vs Valuev he would have beaten him.
All those guys are SOLID heavyweights, over 6'4 and over 240 pounds....it would be much more telling if David Haye fought one of them instead of Monte Barrett who is like Haye a little too small and a little too old to be a contender these days.
Until David Haye steps foot in the ring with a good heavyweight he's still a cruiserweight in my eyes...and an untested one at that
You make them 3 sound like hall of famers :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleAll those guys earned their shotsQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Tony Thompson - Beat Guinn, Timor Ibragimov, and Luan Krasniqi back to back to back. Had never been KO'd before either and he was a mandatory Wlad didn't want to fight AND he was a 6'5 SOUTHPAW who NOBODY wants to fight, not because of power but because of strength, size, and he's awkward.
Ray Austin - Had an eliminator bout with Sultan Ibragimov and fought Sultan to a draw and Sultan chose to fight for one belt and Tony fought for Wlad's belt. Once again a mandatory who Wlad finished without ever throwing his moneymaker right cross...that was a devistating KO.
Jameel McCline - beat Michael Grant, Lance Whittaker, and Shannon Briggs back to back to back to get a shot vs Wladimir. McCline is obviously still a solid heavyweight having given Sam Peter the fight of his life not too long ago and I think had McCline's knee not given out vs Valuev he would have beaten him.
All those guys are SOLID heavyweights, over 6'4 and over 240 pounds....it would be much more telling if David Haye fought one of them instead of Monte Barrett who is like Haye a little too small and a little too old to be a contender these days.
Until David Haye steps foot in the ring with a good heavyweight he's still a cruiserweight in my eyes...and an untested one at that
Compared to Monte Barrett they might be
Watching from his training camp vantage point in Kyrenia, Northern Cyprus, world heavyweight title contender David Haye will have studied every minute of the eight rounds it took for incumbent World Boxing Council heavyweight Samuel Peter to be out-thought, out-fought and ultimately outclassed in Berlin by Vitali Klitschko on Saturday night.
‘Dr Ironfist’ is back. The heavy division is heating up. And Haye insists he can defeat both Klitschko brothers, disclosing to Telegraph Sport that he has the style – and speed - to unseat both champions, who now share three of the four major sanctioning body belts. The fighting Klitschkos have become the first boxing brothers in history to simultaneously hold heavyweight world title belts. The only belt outside their grasp is the WBA title, held by giant Russian Nicolay Valuev.
Ask Haye, and he’ll happily fell all three giants. Haye, who debuts as a heavyweight bill-topper at the 02 Arena, Greenwich on November 15, against American Monte Barrett, is convinced he has “the tools to defeat both Klitschkos”.
Haye said: “Give me Wladimir first, then I’ll take on the older brother. Neither of them has the speed I can show them, and they are both vulnerable.”
Haye would beat both klitchko ?? I first, honestly doubt he'll do any good against peter. Peter looked shitty yesterday night for sure, but if he can put his fists on Haye (who is not that taller) it might be a different story. even if I think haye can simply beat the hell out of Peter, peter has good power, and haye a soft chin.
Haye has been put on his butt against Mormeck, who is far from the power of Klitchko brothers...if a Mormeck can put him down, someone with klitchko power would almost decapitate him...
David Haye is a good fighter and he has a incredible power in both hands, he has the puncher chance agaisnt wladimir, but nothing more...in my eyes....
If haye was really desperate by finding an opponent, he could have ask to Oliander Solis, who knocked haye out during the olympic....but he might have forgot his name :-)
Gotta agree I think Haye will do a much better job on Barrett than Wlad did. I don't see it going further than 4!Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeYour 2 Slapper boys will get KNFO by Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Just watch the demoliion Haye will do in November against Barrett.
Oh and Wlads got an absolute fucking Iron chin ???Quote:
Originally Posted by SEB
Some good points but that was far from Lennox's best... he was well past his prime before even the Tyson fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
It's possibly the first time this has happened but regarding Haye's chances against Vitali I'm 100% in agreement with Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I'll say it now Haye has NO CHANCE, ZERO, NONE WHATSOEVER to beat Vitali Klitschko. He would get absolutely battered inside 5 or 6 rounds.
Let's be real here, even Haye's fans are slightly concerned about him facing Mionte Barret, Barrett is seen as a risky opponent for him. Virtually everyone else at heavyweight would be seen as a risk for him too. I can't find any odds for the Haye Monte fight yet but I imagine Barret will propably be around 9/4 or 5/2 odds, similar to the odds of Roy Jones against Calzaghe.
Put Barrett in with either Klitschko and the odds would likely be about 33/1 or the same as Bruce Seldon against Mike Tyson, seriously now what does that tell you?
There is a very good chance, in fact even likely, that Haye will get knocked out even before he gets to either Klitschko so let's keep our feet on the ground just a little here.
Haye will probably get past Monte Barrett and can then look at fighting an opponent who is at least relavent to the heavyweight division (Barret isn't).
I don't see Haye getting past a slick fighter like Eddie Chambers he won't eeven get as far as challenging Vitali let alone have a chane of beating him.
Haye is not a proven top rated heavyweight. Good or not Vitali and Peter are. To say with out a doubt that Haye can even get by Barrett is baseless. If he beats Monte then we can talk about how hed do vs Vitali but for now theres nothing to go on.