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I think a lot (not all) of the US public and Press are desperate for their own Hatton type figure and yurning for Kelly to be that man;)
Don't see anything extra special in him but he's value for money and they love him for it.
I totally agree with Calzaghes statement a few weeks bac which is why i used it.
Joe would school him even now and would have stopped him 5/6 years ago and i DO mean school him.
Do like Pavlik a lot but i even think Popkins could ruin his dream!
Let's be honest: Kelly's white. It's been a long time since there's been a white guy this good on a national stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I would add that Berto has power, size and speed. The guy is going to be bigger (not necessarily taller) than 90% of the guys he fights so long as he's in the WW division.
I liked Pavlik before he got this recent hype, he has solid technique with power, and that wears people out. He throws a good variety of punches, he may be kind of slow but has good timing. Good chin and has heart. He makes for good fights, I think he may get Hopkins out of there if Hopkins trades too much.
There are always fighters that get hyped, Pavlik is one of the few Americans that has a shot of dominating multiple divisions, does he have flaws? Absolutely, but he is a class act and makes for exciting fights.
Fanboyism is a side effect of having those credentials.
for further reading on fanboyism research, David Haye, PAC, Cotto (prior to Margarito) and Hatton (prior to Mayweather)
It's been a while since Americans have had someone that could be a dominant force and had the personality to get behind (second criteria excludes Mayweather)
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Originally Posted by KillfaceLet's be honest: Kelly's white. It's been a long time since there's been a white guy this good on a national stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I would add that Berto has power, size and speed. The guy is going to be bigger (not necessarily taller) than 90% of the guys he fights so long as he's in the WW division.
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You are correct - He is better value for the money than most fighters out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
To a certain extent, I understand the comparison to Calzaghe, they are of course around the same weight class, but be fair to Pavlik here. Pavlik is 26 and has only defended the middleweight belt twice. Joe is 37. He literally has ten years on Pavlik in experience. He has seen every single mold of opponent - from boxers to punchers to brawlers. Pavlik is still fine-tuning his craft. You should give him his due. He has accomplished a fair amount by age 26. If he even gets a fight with Calzaghe at this stage in his career is evidence of his potential. Joe stayed at super middlweight and mostly fought British and European fighters during his reign. Will Pavlik's career be more accomplished than Joe's?
Pavlik gives Americans someone to really route for. And to be honest, the fact that he's white also gives him some extra fan base. Countdown to Pavlik/Hopkins discussed this concept and I agree with them 100%.
I like Pavlik because of his workrate, his determination, his heart, his humbleness, and the fact that he's knocking everyone out. He's willing to fight anyone and just goes out there and does his job.
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who cares;D
I am not denying he is great for the sport, or that he is a good fighter, but what I am saying is that he isn't a great fighter, straight up. He is just lucky he came in at the right time, in the right place. I think its already been shown that Miranda isn't a grade A fighter by what both Pavlik and Abraham did to him. Miranda threw wide, amazingly slow punches, that were hard, but he had difficulties landing them, He reminded me of a Jeff Lacy without any handspeed. Now back to Pavlik, he was hurt badly, and came back and knocked out a burnt out Jermain Taylor, in the second fight he won because of his workrate, but he didn't show that he was better than Jermain Taylor in anything but his power of will. Also whoever thinks Pavlik has a good chin is stupid, Taylor almost knocked him out cold after not being able to KO Cory Spinks. I think Taylor has a lot of force on his punches, but no snap. Miranda did hurt Pavlik in their fight, and because of Miranda's horrible punching technique, and the fact he was moving backwards the whole fight took a lot of steam of his punches.
I am going to say why I think the fighters I did will beat Pavlik
Glen Johnson: He will walk through anything Pavlik throws, and he has the power to hurt Pavlik, he has the accuracy to hit Pavlik.
Joe Calzaghe: too quick, he would be too fast and just as busy as Pavlik on the outside, he would eat Pavlik alive on the inside, and he has enough power to stun Pavlik just like he did to Kesserl.
Mikkel Kessler: hits harder then Taylor, he would use that power jab to control Pavliks workrate, and he would eventually KO Pavlik with either a left hook or right cross counter.
Chad Dawson: way too fast, Pavlik would not be able to deal with his speed.
ONCE AGAIN, being popular doesn't make you better, and thats a mistake way too many people make on here.
It always bothers me when people pick apart a fighter while he's still putting in the work. I'm a Pavlik fan, but I don't claim any particular bias toward his skills as a fighter. I pretty much agree with a lot of what you say about his flaws - and he does have a lot of them - but is that what defines greatness? A lack of flaws in a fighter's boxing technique?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Pavlik makes the most of the abilities he has. He doesn't presume too much (any more than a fighter should) and he seems ready to fight whoever is put in front of him. What else do you need from a fighter? Why criticize? So far he's done a fine job - better than you or I could do. Why bother with ranking his "greatness" or lack thereof? Why not just appreciate the fact that he gets in the ring, entertains us, and does his job very well?
That's my idea of a great fighter.
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im bout tired of u hatin on kelly. ima put it like this if u hate kelly u hate sucess loser. kelly has done it on his own with help only frm his family. and has never ducked no one. GET BENT.:mad: kelly deserves the fame just as much as anybody else that gets in the ring.
Kelly is a class act and TRULY humble. I'm a Hatton fan and to me Ricky overdoes this humble stuff all the time which gets tiring. But Kelly is 100% grounded and as humble as you could possibly be.
I can't see how anyone could not like the guy. Exiting to watch, humble as fuck, never talks shit, family man, fights whoever is put in front of him and gives his all, lots of heart etc..
You can't help but be a fan and want him to win.
I have to pull you up on that one. Taylor hits hard, not the hardest but he hits hard and he hits fast. Pavlik took fucking loads of flush shots when he went down, that does not determine a weak chin but the total opposite. He got up and got a KO for christ sake!!Quote:
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He is following a man In Hopkins who had reigned for many years and who had a few ho-hum defences mixed among his total.....he is also the exact polar opposite as far as excitment,mentality and style in the ring from Hopkins.Sometimes change gets people hyped up and they paying attention.It's well deserved for Pavlik....he is honest with his style,face first throwing bombs and trying to produce KO's.Also seems to let his Hands do all of the shite talking and not run on about himself.Humble,refreshing!
Taeth every single fighter you listed is in divisions above Pavlik and it's not like the lower weights where 3 lbs makes makes a difference from Gamboa to Pacquiao, Chad Dawson is 15 lbs bigger then Pavlik weighing in and much bigger then that in the ring. That's nowhere near a fair comparision. Calzaghe maybe but the reason people love him is because he is far and away the best middleweight in the world. I agree Hopkins will give him problems but he does have a good chin, not a great but a good enough chin that will allow him to keep going forward against every middleweight out there. Also, he may not have 1 punch power but he does have clubbing power and his shots just wear you down and they always come in combination and they aren't just 1,2s anymore either he has a pretty nice arsenal of punches to select from. Plus he's not hard to get behind because he is from Youngstown, Ohio and is a throwback to so many of the middleweights of yesteryear. That's why people like him.