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No way Hatton takes on JMM now before Pac
I would love to see it but for the reasons you have said this fight will not happen. Hatton is all about Risk vs Reward why would he throw away the biggest chance he could possibly have left
Hatton will not sell our Wembley with JMM because the casual fans who are the only ones who will fill Wembley will se this fight as a warm up for Pac
Hatton will sell no more tickets fighting JMM that he would fighting Paulie and the risk is huge JMM would be a very tough fight and in my opinion too much of a risk
A Pac fight is too big to risk with anyone
I would like to see JMM get in the mix but I cant see it happening
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Whether it's Pac or Marquez i doubt the fight will be at Wembley
No one, outside the hardcore, knows who Pac is in the UK let alone Marquez ;)
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I dont think Marquez has the chin to move up to beat Haton
He has lost to guys like Norwood and Chris John . Hattons only lost to the very best so I make him favourite
JMM was young and inexperienced when he fought Freddie Norwood, and Freddie Norwood won by being dirty and rough. And JMM never lost to Chris John he beat him that was a BS decision.
But i don't see what these fights have anything to do with JMM's chin, and its not like Ricky Hatton is a big hitter. When is the last time Ricky Hatton had a KO against a good opponent ?
I'd question Ricky Hatton's chin more he was stopped by Floyd Mayweather, who isn't a big puncher at the heigher weightclasses. He was rocked by a natural Lightweight Juan Lazcano, JMM just recently stopped iron chinned Joel Casamayor, and JMM has never been stopped in his career i think he beats Ricky Hatton no problem.
I'm with ICE, Marquez wasn't the same fighter when he lost to Norwood and he DEF did not lose to John.
I think Hatton could hurt Marquez but he would have to hit Marquez first. I think Marquez controls Hatton from a distance the whole fight. Each time Hatton would lunge in Marquez greets him with straight rights like Mayweather did. If Hatton gets in close, Marquez could hit him with some combinations then get out of there or have Hatton back out as a result. As long as Marquez could fight at 140 and not look out of shape I'm all rooting and predicting for a Marquez points decision.
With that said, if Hatton worked on the inside, I don't know how Marquez would handle that but I would think Marquez would avoid it at all costs.
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No way Hatton takes on JMM now before Pac
I would love to see it but for the reasons you have said this fight will not happen. Hatton is all about Risk vs Reward why would he throw away the biggest chance he could possibly have left
Hatton will not sell our Wembley with JMM because the casual fans who are the only ones who will fill Wembley will se this fight as a warm up for Pac
Hatton will sell no more tickets fighting JMM that he would fighting Paulie and the risk is huge JMM would be a very tough fight and in my opinion too much of a risk
A Pac fight is too big to risk with anyone
I would like to see JMM get in the mix but I cant see it happening
That is a good point. I don't think anyone would want to risk a fight against Pacquiao. Firstly, you risk a payday, secondly, people want to fight the P4P best to enhance their careers. Especially if you would risk that opportunity by fighting Juan Manuel Marquez which is a big risk in itself.
If JMM states his case the right way anything can happen. Hatton is also one who fights for his fans and standing up to all comers would solidify his reputation. If Hatton does accept a JMM challenge before a potential showdown with Manny, he would get my utter most respect.
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I dont think Marquez has the chin to move up to beat Haton
He has lost to guys like Norwood and Chris John . Hattons only lost to the very best so I make him favourite
JMM was young and inexperienced when he fought Freddie Norwood, and Freddie Norwood won by being dirty and rough. And JMM never lost to Chris John he beat him that was a BS decision.
But i don't see what these fights have anything to do with JMM's chin, and its not like Ricky Hatton is a big hitter. When is the last time Ricky Hatton had a KO against a good opponent ?
I'd question Ricky Hatton's chin more he was stopped by Floyd Mayweather, who isn't a big puncher at the heigher weightclasses. He was rocked by a natural Lightweight Juan Lazcano, JMM just recently stopped iron chinned Joel Casamayor, and JMM has never been stopped in his career i think he beats Ricky Hatton no problem.
I'm with ICE, Marquez wasn't the same fighter when he lost to Norwood and he DEF did not lose to John.
I think Hatton could hurt Marquez but he would have to hit Marquez first. I think Marquez controls Hatton from a distance the whole fight. Each time Hatton would lunge in Marquez greets him with straight rights like Mayweather did. If Hatton gets in close, Marquez could hit him with some combinations then get out of there or have Hatton back out as a result. As long as Marquez could fight at 140 and not look out of shape I'm all rooting and predicting for a Marquez points decision.
With that said, if Hatton worked on the inside, I don't know how Marquez would handle that but I would think Marquez would avoid it at all costs.
The way I see it is Hatton stopped the powerful guy in Tszyu and stopped the speedster in Malignaggi . Whatever Marquez tries Hatton will beat him at . Marquez is no Mayweather . Infact I think a washed up Barrera beat him and he landed more shots .Ricky is too big .
I wouldnt be shocked if Marquez pulled it off cuz Hatton showed he may be over the hill vs Lazcano but seemed to get abit back in his last fight
Hatton by KO :cool:
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This fight is an interesting though. I really enjoyed seeing the Mayweather-trained Ricky. It's a more enjoyable style to watch, and he can use that style to beat the rest of the guys currently at 140. Against JMM, he would need to fight like he did against KT and have a ref who would allow him to do it. I don't really want to see Ricky in a dirt, mauling, grindout with JMM, and that's exactly what he would need to do to win. I actuallly think he could win the fight, but it would be ugly.
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does anyone think floyd sr slating nacho berstien like he has done regarding the DLH-Pac fight is either purposeful as there looking at a fight between Hatton and JMM or could at least be used in the build up and hype
a war of words between trainers can never hurt
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JMM was young and inexperienced when he fought Freddie Norwood, and Freddie Norwood won by being dirty and rough. And JMM never lost to Chris John he beat him that was a BS decision.
But i don't see what these fights have anything to do with JMM's chin, and its not like Ricky Hatton is a big hitter. When is the last time Ricky Hatton had a KO against a good opponent ?
I'd question Ricky Hatton's chin more he was stopped by Floyd Mayweather, who isn't a big puncher at the heigher weightclasses. He was rocked by a natural Lightweight Juan Lazcano, JMM just recently stopped iron chinned Joel Casamayor, and JMM has never been stopped in his career i think he beats Ricky Hatton no problem.
I'm with ICE, Marquez wasn't the same fighter when he lost to Norwood and he DEF did not lose to John.
I think Hatton could hurt Marquez but he would have to hit Marquez first. I think Marquez controls Hatton from a distance the whole fight. Each time Hatton would lunge in Marquez greets him with straight rights like Mayweather did. If Hatton gets in close, Marquez could hit him with some combinations then get out of there or have Hatton back out as a result. As long as Marquez could fight at 140 and not look out of shape I'm all rooting and predicting for a Marquez points decision.
With that said, if Hatton worked on the inside, I don't know how Marquez would handle that but I would think Marquez would avoid it at all costs.
The way I see it is Hatton stopped the powerful guy in Tszyu and stopped the speedster in Malignaggi . Whatever Marquez tries Hatton will beat him at . Marquez is no Mayweather . Infact I think a washed up Barrera beat him and he landed more shots .Ricky is too big .
I wouldnt be shocked if Marquez pulled it off cuz Hatton showed he may be over the hill vs Lazcano but seemed to get abit back in his last fight
Hatton by KO :cool:
Kostya Tszyu needs room to get his power shots off, because Ricky Hatton swarmed him. And gave him no room Kostya Tszyu couldn't get power into his shots. Just like what Vince Phillips done to Kostya Tszyu.
Lets remember Kostya Tszyu isn't a good inside fighter, and he doesn't move well at all. Again JMM is the total opposite he moves well he can fight on the inside.
And he wouldn't allow Ricky Hatton to get on the inside, as for your other comments in no way was MAB washed up. He was coming off one of his best performances against Rocky Juarez.
I do think MAB vs JMM was close but i think most of the rounds were easy to score, and i think JMM had an edge in most rounds and i believe he beat MAB by a few points.
Paul Malingaggi maybe quick but he has no power at all, so Ricky Hatton could just come in anyway he wanted. Walkthrough his shots and over power him.
And lets be honest here Paul Malignaggi basically stopped trying after the 1st round, he went into retreat clinching every 10 seconds.
JMM can hit which showed when he stopped iron chinned Joel Casamayor, and he is a very dangerous counter puncher. And Ricky Hatton's brawling style is tailor made for JMM's counter shots.
Remember Floyd Mayweather countered Ricky Hatton all night long. And i would say JMM is for certain on par with Floyd Mayweather, regarding countering abilities.
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I agree with sonny, no way it happens, but like Ice I reckon JMM more than deserves ashot at the big time.
JMM did struggle with an older Barrera, and I think it;s his style more than anything that bugs pacman. Of course the same style may bug Hatton as well.
I'd have JMM favourite if it would miracilously come off, but there are many variables, especially the higher weight class. I wouldn't be at all surprised if JMM struggles with Ricky's strength.
As for Pac going after the welters, it ain't gonna happen, his punches would bounce off Marg. that in no way discredits Pac as he is way above his range at LWW and is a liviving legend. Avixtory over 140 Hatton would rate more than Drained Oscar in my eyes, plus set up the big one with Floyd (and if there's time a farwell fight with JMM however the other fights turn out).
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I love Marquez, great fighter, but I don't see him beating Hatton. I can't see him getting off effective shots if Hatton decides to smother him. I think hatton's defense is only going to improve, and he eats Marquez alive on the inside. At range I think its a close fight, I think their overall speed is pretty even, and Marquez has enough power to make Hatton respect him, if not stop Ricky, but I don't think he would get the chance, Hatton would take this fight in Manchester likely where the ref will let him swarm Marquez, and once against Marquez isn't the defensive fighter Mayweather is.
As for JMM-PBF and Pac-PBF, clearly Mayweather would have way more problems wtih Pacquiao. Marquez does well because he is quicker and more technically sound than opponents, but Mayweather is better in both categories. Mayweather would out jab him, out speed him, be too elusive for Marquez to hit. Guys like Marquez allow Mayweather to fight more like he used to at lower weights, and that means more punches, more fluidity, and that can't help Marquez who once again is far easier to hit.
Manny presents unique challenges, he has that speed, and he's southpaw. As for Manny against Margarito, I think its a lot closer than you guys give Manny credit for, I mean P. Williams punches bounced of Margarito, but footspeed like I've been saying will give Margarito nightmares, Manny can go 12 rounds like this. He trains to do it. If the much faster Oscar couldn't catch a whiff of Manny, then I am having a harder and harder time of seeing Tony being able to keep up with Manny.
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I love Marquez, great fighter, but I don't see him beating Hatton. I can't see him getting off effective shots if Hatton decides to smother him. I think hatton's defense is only going to improve, and he eats Marquez alive on the inside. At range I think its a close fight, I think their overall speed is pretty even, and Marquez has enough power to make Hatton respect him, if not stop Ricky, but I don't think he would get the chance, Hatton would take this fight in Manchester likely where the ref will let him swarm Marquez, and once against Marquez isn't the defensive fighter Mayweather is.
As for JMM-PBF and Pac-PBF, clearly Mayweather would have way more problems wtih Pacquiao. Marquez does well because he is quicker and more technically sound than opponents, but Mayweather is better in both categories. Mayweather would out jab him, out speed him, be too elusive for Marquez to hit. Guys like Marquez allow Mayweather to fight more like he used to at lower weights, and that means more punches, more fluidity, and that can't help Marquez who once again is far easier to hit.
Manny presents unique challenges, he has that speed, and he's southpaw. As for Manny against Margarito, I think its a lot closer than you guys give Manny credit for, I mean P. Williams punches bounced of Margarito, but footspeed like I've been saying will give Margarito nightmares, Manny can go 12 rounds like this. He trains to do it. If the much faster Oscar couldn't catch a whiff of Manny, then I am having a harder and harder time of seeing Tony being able to keep up with Manny.
i wouldnt say JMM was quicker than pac and he gave him as much as he could handle
Pacquiao to me holds the best chance of beating mayweather, look at the judah fight, first 4 or 5 rounds zab was giving mayweather fits with his style, the southpaw stance and his speed, but then he fell apart mentally as he often does
now it seems far fetched now but so did manny beating DLH could pac give floyd them exact same sort of problems for the entire fight not just the early rounds, i would say pac is on par with judah for speed at 147, he is arguebly more powerful, PBF is no doubt a great fighter but i feel pac has a shot
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If this doesn't draw Mayweather out of retirement, I'm not sure what will. I would be very happen to see a both JMM/Hatton fight and a Pac/Mayweather fight. If JMM and Pac win, it sets up the third fight. If Hatton wins, it only makes Pac/Hatton bigger. If Floyd wins, he can go back to retirement. I doubt he would both to rematch Hatton.
Pac/Mayweather definitely gets my vote for the fight I most want to see in 2009.
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I love Marquez, great fighter, but I don't see him beating Hatton. I can't see him getting off effective shots if Hatton decides to smother him. I think hatton's defense is only going to improve, and he eats Marquez alive on the inside. At range I think its a close fight, I think their overall speed is pretty even, and Marquez has enough power to make Hatton respect him, if not stop Ricky, but I don't think he would get the chance, Hatton would take this fight in Manchester likely where the ref will let him swarm Marquez, and once against Marquez isn't the defensive fighter Mayweather is.
As for JMM-PBF and Pac-PBF, clearly Mayweather would have way more problems wtih Pacquiao. Marquez does well because he is quicker and more technically sound than opponents, but Mayweather is better in both categories. Mayweather would out jab him, out speed him, be too elusive for Marquez to hit. Guys like Marquez allow Mayweather to fight more like he used to at lower weights, and that means more punches, more fluidity, and that can't help Marquez who once again is far easier to hit.
Manny presents unique challenges, he has that speed, and he's southpaw. As for Manny against Margarito, I think its a lot closer than you guys give Manny credit for, I mean P. Williams punches bounced of Margarito, but footspeed like I've been saying will give Margarito nightmares, Manny can go 12 rounds like this. He trains to do it. If the much faster Oscar couldn't catch a whiff of Manny, then I am having a harder and harder time of seeing Tony being able to keep up with Manny.
i wouldnt say JMM was quicker than pac and he gave him as much as he could handle
Pacquiao to me holds the best chance of beating mayweather, look at the judah fight, first 4 or 5 rounds zab was giving mayweather fits with his style, the southpaw stance and his speed, but then he fell apart mentally as he often does
now it seems far fetched now but so did manny beating DLH could pac give floyd them exact same sort of problems for the entire fight not just the early rounds, i would say pac is on par with judah for speed at 147, he is arguebly more powerful, PBF is no doubt a great fighter but i feel pac has a shot
It was JMM technical skills that allowed him to fight Pacquiao so closely, in that case it was his speed OR his technical skills, he had a big enough advantage in the second category that it made up for the lesser speed. Judah is a completely different type of fighter, and when he was coming forwad he wasn't landing on Mayweather. He was only able to hit Mayweather effectively when he was counter punching, and Mayweather was coming forward. Pacquiao is a good counter puncher, but if he tried to throw the left like he did against Oscar those punches aren't likely landing on mayweather if Floyd decides to fight defensively. Judah didn'tfall apart agianst Floyd, its just Mayweather adapted, he was only throwing his right hand in the early rounds, and after a few rounds he started throwing a left hook and other punches after that straight right. Oscar didn't have a right hand at all, Mayweather is the guy with the best right hand that Manny will have ever faced, I don't see him avoiding it, but it will still be a great matchup because of Manny's output.
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this fight will more likely happen before Hatton vs pac because said he wasnt gonna fight til june or something like that.
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Is JMM get Hatton first he will KO him and go on to beat Pacman! WOOOOOOOO!:D
He will beat Hatton with his unmatched artform of a boxing style that he has.:)
Then go on to face Pacman.Hopefully!
