Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
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Rantcatrat
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miles
Im inbetween on this one. Dawson clearly beat Tarver last time out, but Tarver is no mug. And Dawson isnt the second coming of anything.
Let Tarver have his go, and let Dawson build up some more world level experience.
I dont quite see how Tarver will win at this stage, but at least if he loses again he will have a clearer picture regarding his place in boxing.
He may not be the second coming, but he is damn good.
Who beats Dawson at 175 that is still fighting? Bhop won't give Chad the time of day because Chad has the style to beat Bhop. He schooled Tarver. He is all wrong for Woods. And does the same to Roy. That leaves Glen Johnson and Adrian Diaconu. Glen deserves the rematch and I'll admit it would be interesting. Diaconu is untested against the elite although he has potential.
Yes, he is good. Very good, actually.
But top level fighters should be very good. I just dont think he has done all that much yet. I would like to see him face Calzaghe if anybody. Calzaghe is the best fighter out there, nobody better to test yourself against. But as it is, I have no qualms with Tarver trying to have another go. And its good practice for Dawson.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
...tarver will just get spanked again. Hey I for one don't mind i'll watch tarver get his ass whooped again anytime, i'm wearing out the tape watching the first one over and over again anyways.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
miles
Im inbetween on this one. Dawson clearly beat Tarver last time out, but Tarver is no mug. And Dawson isnt the second coming of anything.
Let Tarver have his go, and let Dawson build up some more world level experience.
I dont quite see how Tarver will win at this stage, but at least if he loses again he will have a clearer picture regarding his place in boxing.
He may not be the second coming, but he is damn good.
Who beats Dawson at 175 that is still fighting? Bhop won't give Chad the time of day because Chad has the style to beat Bhop. He schooled Tarver. He is all wrong for Woods. And does the same to Roy. That leaves Glen Johnson and Adrian Diaconu. Glen deserves the rematch and I'll admit it would be interesting. Diaconu is untested against the elite although he has potential.
Yes, he is good. Very good, actually.
But top level fighters should be very good. I just dont think he has done all that much yet. I would like to see him face Calzaghe if anybody. Calzaghe is the best fighter out there, nobody better to test yourself against. But as it is, I have no qualms with Tarver trying to have another go. And its good practice for Dawson.
Calzaghe is RETIRED, and Hopkins is better than him. This isn't about testing Dwason, he has already beaten Adamek(the current best cruiserweight), Glen Johnson, Tarver, and Harding... He hasn't done all that much? That was more than everything Calzaghe did before he faced Kessler and Hopkins.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
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Bilbo
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OumaFan
He's contractually obliged to rematch Tarver, it was just a matter of when
Let's not forget that Tarver has never lost a rematch, 3 of the 5 people who have beaten him gave him a rematch and he beat them all.
I don't think it will be a walkover for Chad by any means. I expect him to win but Tarver is certainly capable of a suprise.
Look at Vernon when he lost to Sergio Mora, we thought he was done but he rematched him and dominated him completely.
Now I know Chad Dawson is no Sergio Mora but Tarver has pedigree whether you like him or not.
B Hop has come back when it looked like he was done after back to back losses to Jermain, I'm still intrigued to an extent for this fight.
Tarver is never in a barn burner but it should still be interesting.
I just hope Showtime continue their record of putting decent names on the undercard. I imagine either Nonito Donaire or Vic Darchinyan would be a good support act, and probably the usual Angulo or Kirkland 3 rounder to start things off.
I wouldn't mind that card.
The difference is Mora is a piece of crap fighting a guy with a similar career and skill level to Vernon, but Dawson is one of the best fighters in the sport, and could become the best fighter in the sport. Tarver had no answer for him, and Dawson wasn't even trying in some rounds.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
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Taeth
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Rantcatrat
He may not be the second coming, but he is damn good.
Who beats Dawson at 175 that is still fighting? Bhop won't give Chad the time of day because Chad has the style to beat Bhop. He schooled Tarver. He is all wrong for Woods. And does the same to Roy. That leaves Glen Johnson and Adrian Diaconu. Glen deserves the rematch and I'll admit it would be interesting. Diaconu is untested against the elite although he has potential.
Yes, he is good. Very good, actually.
But top level fighters should be very good. I just dont think he has done all that much yet. I would like to see him face Calzaghe if anybody. Calzaghe is the best fighter out there, nobody better to test yourself against. But as it is, I have no qualms with Tarver trying to have another go. And its good practice for Dawson.
Calzaghe is RETIRED, and Hopkins is better than him. This isn't about testing Dwason, he has already beaten Adamek(the current best cruiserweight), Glen Johnson, Tarver, and Harding... He hasn't done all that much? That was more than everything Calzaghe did before he faced Kessler and Hopkins.
Calzaghe is not retired you dumb piece of malignant meat. And Hopkins is nowhere near the level of Calzaghe anyways. Dawson might be mighty pretty, but he gets taken down like a little sheep when Joe gets in there.
You like your Dawson, but he isnt as good as you like to think.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
I know Chad Dawson has beaten quality fighters, and i have seen alot of his fights. And he is one of my favorite fighters at the moment, but i just feel he isn't quite ready for Joe Calzaghe yet.
I don't know why i feel that way considering Chad Dawson has looked. Impressive in recent fights, but i just get the feeling he isn't quite the finished article yet.
Whether i like Joe Calzaghe or not doesn't mean im unbiased, i give Joe Calzaghe credit for what he has done. And he adjusts well in fights, and his determination/workrate are quite incredible.
Thats why i feel Chad Dawson isn't ready for someone of Joe Calzaghe's class, Joe Calzaghe brings so much pressure that Chad Dawson would be shocked, because no way has he ever been in with someone of Joe Calzaghe's class.
And it doesn't matter if Joe Calzaghe's punches aren't really powerful shots, they still add up and have opponents tiring down the stretch, and the way Chad Dawson takes rounds off. And just stands there and lets opponents whail on him, would be the worst thing he could do.
Against a combination puncher who throws as many punches as Joe Calzaghe, the only problem is that Joe Calzaghe is surely retiring soon, so Chad Dawson might not have any chance to wait. And he will have to fight Joe Calzaghe ASAP.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
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Taeth
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Rantcatrat
He may not be the second coming, but he is damn good.
Who beats Dawson at 175 that is still fighting? Bhop won't give Chad the time of day because Chad has the style to beat Bhop. He schooled Tarver. He is all wrong for Woods. And does the same to Roy. That leaves Glen Johnson and Adrian Diaconu. Glen deserves the rematch and I'll admit it would be interesting. Diaconu is untested against the elite although he has potential.
Yes, he is good. Very good, actually.
But top level fighters should be very good. I just dont think he has done all that much yet. I would like to see him face Calzaghe if anybody. Calzaghe is the best fighter out there, nobody better to test yourself against. But as it is, I have no qualms with Tarver trying to have another go. And its good practice for Dawson.
Calzaghe is RETIRED, and Hopkins is better than him. This isn't about testing Dwason, he has already beaten Adamek(the current best cruiserweight), Glen Johnson, Tarver, and Harding... He hasn't done all that much? That was more than everything Calzaghe did before he faced Kessler and Hopkins.
I don't see the point in arguing the same point about Calzaghe and Hopkins again. Really. Either way clearly it wasn't either fighter's best performance. And why do you turn every post into an anti-Calzaghe tirade. I didn't mean to instigate that at all. If I did I apologize.
Dawson only very barely squeaked by Glen Johnson. The cards were 116-112, but the fight was a lot closer. Glen deserves a rematch; they have unfinished business. Tarver was right when he said Dawson looked like a deer in headlights after that fight.
If I were Dawson and I couldn't get Bhop I would make a very generous offer to fight Erdei in Germany because he will easily win that one and take a belt.
Diaconu has one fight before fighting Glen Johnson. If Johnson wins, give Johnson the rematch. If Diaconu wins, fight him. Either way you have two of the major belts.
Kessler doesn't need to step up in weight to fight Dawson when the smw division is as deep as it is. If I were him, I'd clear out my division.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
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Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
He's contractually obliged to rematch Tarver, it was just a matter of when
Let's not forget that Tarver has never lost a rematch, 3 of the 5 people who have beaten him gave him a rematch and he beat them all.
I don't think it will be a walkover for Chad by any means. I expect him to win but Tarver is certainly capable of a suprise.
Look at Vernon when he lost to Sergio Mora, we thought he was done but he rematched him and dominated him completely.
Now I know Chad Dawson is no Sergio Mora but Tarver has pedigree whether you like him or not.
B Hop has come back when it looked like he was done after back to back losses to Jermain, I'm still intrigued to an extent for this fight.
Tarver is never in a barn burner but it should still be interesting.
I just hope Showtime continue their record of putting decent names on the undercard. I imagine either Nonito Donaire or Vic Darchinyan would be a good support act, and probably the usual Angulo or Kirkland 3 rounder to start things off.
I wouldn't mind that card.
yea. but those were close fights. the roy fight was close, the glen fight was close, im not sure about the harding fight cause i havent seen it so i cant comment on that but u get my drift.
the dawson fight wasnt close at all. and im sure Tarver will lose again.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
Glen Johnson is pissed, and rightfully so. How does Tarver deserve a rematch but he doesnt? Politics.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
I'm one of the few Tarver fans around, and I'm not excited to see this. I had hoped Tarver would decline the rematch clause and retire.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
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miles
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Taeth
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miles
Yes, he is good. Very good, actually.
But top level fighters should be very good. I just dont think he has done all that much yet. I would like to see him face Calzaghe if anybody. Calzaghe is the best fighter out there, nobody better to test yourself against. But as it is, I have no qualms with Tarver trying to have another go. And its good practice for Dawson.
Calzaghe is RETIRED, and Hopkins is better than him. This isn't about testing Dwason, he has already beaten Adamek(the current best cruiserweight), Glen Johnson, Tarver, and Harding... He hasn't done all that much? That was more than everything Calzaghe did before he faced Kessler and Hopkins.
Calzaghe is not retired you dumb piece of malignant meat.
And Hopkins is nowhere near the level of Calzaghe anyways. Dawson might be mighty pretty, but he gets taken down like a little sheep when Joe gets in there.
You like your Dawson, but he isnt as good as you like to think.
that is really one of the dumbest things i every heard on this forum.
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Why???
Johnson is much more deserving!!! IMO Tarver/ Johnson with the winner to face Dawson would have been better.
I don't think Tarver can do anything different & Dawson wins a UD again!!!
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
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Originally Posted by
miles
Yes, he is good. Very good, actually.
But top level fighters should be very good. I just dont think he has done all that much yet. I would like to see him face Calzaghe if anybody. Calzaghe is the best fighter out there, nobody better to test yourself against. But as it is, I have no qualms with Tarver trying to have another go. And its good practice for Dawson.
Calzaghe is RETIRED, and Hopkins is better than him. This isn't about testing Dwason, he has already beaten Adamek(the current best cruiserweight), Glen Johnson, Tarver, and Harding... He hasn't done all that much? That was more than everything Calzaghe did before he faced Kessler and Hopkins.
Calzaghe is not retired you dumb piece of malignant meat. And Hopkins is nowhere near the level of Calzaghe anyways. Dawson might be mighty pretty, but he gets taken down like a little sheep when Joe gets in there.
You like your Dawson, but he isnt as good as you like to think.
If Hopkins is nowhere near Calzaghe's level then why did he beat him in anyone's eyes that knows anything about boxing? As for Dawson, baring a knockout that ruins his career he is more talented than anyone else has been in the MW to LHW divisions since prime RJJ. He's faster than guys like Calzaghe, hits harder than him, actually throws meaningful punches. And Calzaghe is retired, when has he said otherwise? He said fuck Froch, I'm retiring there is no fight out there for me. When both Kessler and Hopkins were calling him out, He should have fought Hopkins again because most people don't believe he beat Bernard. Bernard is better than Calzaghe against most opponents, and at least equal against eachother.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
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Originally Posted by
kingfrnk
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
He's contractually obliged to rematch Tarver, it was just a matter of when
Let's not forget that Tarver has never lost a rematch, 3 of the 5 people who have beaten him gave him a rematch and he beat them all.
I don't think it will be a walkover for Chad by any means. I expect him to win but Tarver is certainly capable of a suprise.
Look at Vernon when he lost to Sergio Mora, we thought he was done but he rematched him and dominated him completely.
Now I know Chad Dawson is no Sergio Mora but Tarver has pedigree whether you like him or not.
B Hop has come back when it looked like he was done after back to back losses to Jermain, I'm still intrigued to an extent for this fight.
Tarver is never in a barn burner but it should still be interesting.
I just hope Showtime continue their record of putting decent names on the undercard. I imagine either Nonito Donaire or Vic Darchinyan would be a good support act, and probably the usual Angulo or Kirkland 3 rounder to start things off.
I wouldn't mind that card.
yea. but those were close fights. the roy fight was close, the glen fight was close, im not sure about the harding fight cause i havent seen it so i cant comment on that but u get my drift.
the dawson fight wasnt close at all. and im sure Tarver will lose again.
Jones-Tarver wasn't close at all, people need to rewatch fights from time to time. Roy won by 4 or 5 rounds. Harding outboxed Tarver all night when they fought. In both situations the other was winning the fight until Tarver ended it with one punch. So this situation matches up, but Harding obviously isn't Chad Dawson who outboxed him in almost every round as well, and Roy Jones obviously wasn't anywhere near his prime.
Re: Dawson-Tarver rematch set for March 14
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
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Originally Posted by
kingfrnk
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
Let's not forget that Tarver has never lost a rematch, 3 of the 5 people who have beaten him gave him a rematch and he beat them all.
I don't think it will be a walkover for Chad by any means. I expect him to win but Tarver is certainly capable of a suprise.
Look at Vernon when he lost to Sergio Mora, we thought he was done but he rematched him and dominated him completely.
Now I know Chad Dawson is no Sergio Mora but Tarver has pedigree whether you like him or not.
B Hop has come back when it looked like he was done after back to back losses to Jermain, I'm still intrigued to an extent for this fight.
Tarver is never in a barn burner but it should still be interesting.
I just hope Showtime continue their record of putting decent names on the undercard. I imagine either Nonito Donaire or Vic Darchinyan would be a good support act, and probably the usual Angulo or Kirkland 3 rounder to start things off.
I wouldn't mind that card.
yea. but those were close fights. the roy fight was close, the glen fight was close, im not sure about the harding fight cause i havent seen it so i cant comment on that but u get my drift.
the dawson fight wasnt close at all. and im sure Tarver will lose again.
Jones-Tarver wasn't close at all, people need to rewatch fights from time to time. Roy won by 4 or 5 rounds. Harding outboxed Tarver all night when they fought. In both situations the other was winning the fight until Tarver ended it with one punch. So this situation matches up, but Harding obviously isn't Chad Dawson who outboxed him in almost every round as well, and Roy Jones obviously wasn't anywhere near his prime.
i should have put my opinion in there. i dont think it was a close fight but the judges had it a close fight which caused roy to rematch him and got kod by a lucky punch. but anyways i felt roy won more clearly my self.
