Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
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From what I saw of Shane last time out, he is done. I'm about the only one on this site who thinks this, but he had terrible trouble with Mayorga and one punch saved his reputation. That power won't be knocking Tony out, but I see that fight as the end of the line for Shane, and I think Tony will give him a one sided beating. The movement in the legs simply wasn't there against Mayorga, and its a tool he'll really need against a pressure puncher like Margarito.
You could very well right, he did look old against Mayorga even Cotto imo, but Im just saying what if he does win. He still has a chance, I could see shane not alowing Margarito to get in a rythm, and beating him to the punch, if his legs hold up he could pull it off. Im still favoring Tony to win though too.
Whilst I agree that Shane was a shadow of his former self vs Mayorga we must remember that Shane was up against a big, mauling wild guy who was coming down from super middleweight . Shane instead of boxing stood his ground and knocked this guy clean out . Margarito when he moved up just afew pounds to light middle showed he couldnt handle the extra weight vs Dan Santos. Mosley wont be fearful of his strength, moreso his pace and pressure.
Should Shane win ( which I dont think he will ) then I reckon Floyd would take that fight cuz everyone knows Shane and that would sell big. My money would be on PBF on points . Prime for prime I go for Shane
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
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If Floyd is truly hard-up I think you will see Mayweather stomping for a romp with Margarito. I think the only reason Mayweather didn't fight him was because he couldn't make any money on it. Now people know Antonio, now they want to see what he'll do next, now is the time to fight him for a ton of money.
Didn't Arum offer Floyd $8 million to fight AM once? If they fight now, I wonder what Floyd would get?
Floyd had better offers, and apparently that 8 million was exaggerated and Floyd would have neve rmade that much for hte fight, but he made a lot more than that fighting Baldomir.
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
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From what I saw of Shane last time out, he is done. I'm about the only one on this site who thinks this, but he had terrible trouble with Mayorga and one punch saved his reputation. That power won't be knocking Tony out, but I see that fight as the end of the line for Shane, and I think Tony will give him a one sided beating. The movement in the legs simply wasn't there against Mayorga, and its a tool he'll really need against a pressure puncher like Margarito.
You could very well right, he did look old against Mayorga even Cotto imo, but Im just saying what if he does win. He still has a chance, I could see shane not alowing Margarito to get in a rythm, and beating him to the punch, if his legs hold up he could pull it off. Im still favoring Tony to win though too.
Whilst I agree that Shane was a shadow of his former self vs Mayorga we must remember that Shane was up against a big, mauling wild guy who was coming down from super middleweight . Shane instead of boxing stood his ground and knocked this guy clean out . Margarito when he moved up just afew pounds to light middle showed he couldnt handle the extra weight vs Dan Santos. Mosley wont be fearful of his strength, moreso his pace and pressure.
Should Shane win ( which I dont think he will ) then I reckon Floyd would take that fight cuz everyone knows Shane and that would sell big. My money would be on PBF on points . Prime for prime I go for Shane
I don't think Shane is a shadow of his old self at all, I just think big guys aren't his cup of tea, his style suits him way more against boxers and smaller guys than it does againt big puncher types. He is still very fast as the Collazo fight would indicate, he still has very good reflexes, I just feel guys like Vargas, Cotto, and Mayorga would have given him some troubles at any point of his career simply because of their styles.
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
Well the Collazo fight was nearly 2 years ago and he was 35. Hes 37 now and a couple of years can make a difference. Shane has been looking older every fight imo. Still he could look fast compared to Margarito. I think the biggest question about Shane is his legs. If his legs are gone, he loses this fight. If he can move for 12 rounds, it will be a tough fight for Margarito.
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
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If Floyd is truly hard-up I think you will see Mayweather stomping for a romp with Margarito. I think the only reason Mayweather didn't fight him was because he couldn't make any money on it. Now people know Antonio, now they want to see what he'll do next, now is the time to fight him for a ton of money.
Sorry I disagree. The ONLY reason Mayweather didnt fight Margarito and NEVER WILL is.........
Floyd is scared shitless of Tony, he knows to get in the ring with him means byebye 0 & hello ass whuppin
I would of agreed with you prior to him taking Hatton to pieces so easlily;Not that it would come without more effort.
Floyd would fight the fight that Cotto needs to the next time around in order to beat Margo, perfect timing and catching him out just before the the end of his moves.
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
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Well the Collazo fight was nearly 2 years ago and he was 35. Hes 37 now and a couple of years can make a difference. Shane has been looking older every fight imo. Still he could look fast compared to Margarito. I think the biggest question about Shane is his legs. If his legs are gone, he loses this fight. If he can move for 12 rounds, it will be a tough fight for Margarito.
Do you think Shane will try and move vs Margarito? i think shane is far more comfortable standing his ground these days. when he was on his toes he was exceptional and i dont think we need to discuss what may have happend if shane was in his prime . that would be a no brainer . . .
at this age though , margarito will be a handful for him . i can see him making it through to the finishing line but only just .
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
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Well the Collazo fight was nearly 2 years ago and he was 35. Hes 37 now and a couple of years can make a difference. Shane has been looking older every fight imo. Still he could look fast compared to Margarito. I think the biggest question about Shane is his legs. If his legs are gone, he loses this fight. If he can move for 12 rounds, it will be a tough fight for Margarito.
Do you think Shane will try and move vs Margarito? i think shane is far more comfortable standing his ground these days. when he was on his toes he was exceptional and i dont think we need to discuss what may have happend if shane was in his prime . that would be a no brainer . . .
at this age though , margarito will be a handful for him . i can see him making it through to the finishing line but only just .
Yeah, i think Mosley will take a similar approach to Cotto. Shane isnt going to be able to back Margarito up imo, i think his plan will be to use his speed, angles, and get in and out. Hes not a great defensive fighter and so i think Margarito will find plenty of openings on the inside if Shane wants to trade. I think Shane needs to stay one step ahead and utilize his speed and lateral movement.
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
Style ways toni could suit floyd down to the frigging ground.
Has every one forgotten how easy Cotto had it for a while in that fight, how he made magarito miss at will? got his shots off and moved without any problem?
i like Magarito, i picked hi to beat Cotto, won a shit load of money on it at 8-1 - but like most people who took the same bet, we done it because Cotto tires in the late rounds and has a less than solid chin...
If mayweather is in his usual shape, he can dance and move for 12 full rounds, picking magarito off and making him miss. I think toni would pick up a round or two here and there but i would expect floyd to win a fairly wind DC....
I think Mosley would of too a good few years ago, but maybe now he is to old? personally i think it would be impossible to call the outcome of their fight 'coz no one really knows what mosley is beinging to this fight, was the mayorga a one off bad fight? or is he just to old?
either way, Magarito is an, at best average skilled boxers, he is just blessed with a cast iron, rock solid, can't be moved freaking chin than can take anything as will as never ending stamina - against smart fighters who can move for 12 rounds, he will get beat.
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
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Style ways toni could suit floyd down to the frigging ground.
Has every one forgotten how easy Cotto had it for a while in that fight, how he made magarito miss at will? got his shots off and moved without any problem?
i like Magarito, i picked hi to beat Cotto, won a shit load of money on it at 8-1 - but like most people who took the same bet, we done it because Cotto tires in the late rounds and has a less than solid chin...
If mayweather is in his usual shape, he can dance and move for 12 full rounds, picking magarito off and making him miss. I think toni would pick up a round or two here and there but i would expect floyd to win a fairly wind DC....
I think Mosley would of too a good few years ago, but maybe now he is to old? personally i think it would be impossible to call the outcome of their fight 'coz no one really knows what mosley is beinging to this fight, was the mayorga a one off bad fight? or is he just to old?
either way, Magarito is an, at best average skilled boxers, he is just blessed with a cast iron, rock solid, can't be moved freaking chin than can take anything as will as never ending stamina - against smart fighters who can move for 12 rounds, he will get beat.
He is like an old fashoined fighter if we had fifteen rounds again, you wouldnt give anyone modern a hope against him.
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
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From what I saw of Shane last time out, he is done. I'm about the only one on this site who thinks this, but he had terrible trouble with Mayorga and one punch saved his reputation. That power won't be knocking Tony out, but I see that fight as the end of the line for Shane, and I think Tony will give him a one sided beating. The movement in the legs simply wasn't there against Mayorga, and its a tool he'll really need against a pressure puncher like Margarito.
You could very well right, he did look old against Mayorga even Cotto imo, but Im just saying what if he does win. He still has a chance, I could see shane not alowing Margarito to get in a rythm, and beating him to the punch, if his legs hold up he could pull it off. Im still favoring Tony to win though too.
Whilst I agree that Shane was a shadow of his former self vs Mayorga we must remember that Shane was up against a big, mauling wild guy who was coming down from super middleweight . Shane instead of boxing stood his ground and knocked this guy clean out
. Margarito when he moved up just afew pounds to light middle showed he couldnt handle the extra weight vs Dan Santos. Mosley wont be fearful of his strength, moreso his pace and pressure.
Should Shane win ( which I dont think he will ) then I reckon Floyd would take that fight cuz everyone knows Shane and that would sell big. My money would be on PBF on points . Prime for prime I go for Shane
How did he demonstrate that he couldn't handle the extra weight? While I agree Margarito is better at 147, he moved up and fought a very competitive fight against one of the best 154 lb'ers in the world. He hust Santos several times and many people felt he was winning, or on his way to winning, the fight when it was stopped. I think he proved he could handle 154, especially with the paucity of talent in that division when compared to 147; though it has improved dramatically recently.
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
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If Floyd is truly hard-up I think you will see Mayweather stomping for a romp with Margarito. I think the only reason Mayweather didn't fight him was because he couldn't make any money on it. Now people know Antonio, now they want to see what he'll do next, now is the time to fight him for a ton of money.
Sorry I disagree. The ONLY reason Mayweather didnt fight Margarito and NEVER WILL is.........
Floyd is scared shitless of Tony, he knows to get in the ring with him means byebye 0 & hello ass whuppin
I gotta agree ith C.J. on that, Floyd cares too much about his undefeated status to risk it. He loves the 0 on his record and he loves 0's on his paychecks.
Yeah, he was offered $8Milllion to fight Margarito but he was too scared to accept it. That was before MArgarito fought Cotto. How much more now that AM has shown how he can't be easily beaten.
Floyd would be coming back to fight Pac coz he knows he has a runner's chance against Pac.:-X
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
Shane's best days are clearly behind him. Having said that...i had him at the very least fighting Cotto to a draw. And sure...beating Mayorga isn't anything to write home about...but he is naturally a bigger fighter than Shane and has always had a solid chin. So that's not bad for a fighter who is past his prime. Does this mean Shane will beat Tony...not neccessarly. But I think Shane is still the faster, better skilled fighter than Tony...and you never know when all the wars will catch up to Tony. So i can see this fight going either way: Shane pulling off an upset by fighting a smart fight or Shane getting battered into retirement. As for Floyd...he is a shrewd matchmaker. In the latter part of his career he has been more concerned with the event fights rather than taking on the best fighter available. So i don't see him fighting Tony (high risk, low reward $$$). I also don't see him jumping at the chance to fight Cotto. So that leaves Pac and Hatton. Sure, a Hatton rematch would be completely meaningless. But with his father training Ricky...it would again be an event/hype fight (and also a fight where he would clearly be the favorite). And finally there would be the Pac fight. This would be the most talked about matchup. Alot of money and publicity...and in Floyd's head...enough of a challenge to make it interesting...but a fight where his more polished skill would be enough to win.
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
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If Floyd is truly hard-up I think you will see Mayweather stomping for a romp with Margarito. I think the only reason Mayweather didn't fight him was because he couldn't make any money on it. Now people know Antonio, now they want to see what he'll do next, now is the time to fight him for a ton of money.
Sorry I disagree. The ONLY reason Mayweather didnt fight Margarito and NEVER WILL is.........
Floyd is scared shitless of Tony, he knows to get in the ring with him means byebye 0 & hello ass whuppin
He's as scared of Margarito as Calzaghe was scared of Lacy :)
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
First of all I don't see Shane beating Marg but if he did and he did fight PBF he WOULD get schooled. He is not anywhere near the man he was and I thought he was getting beat off Mayorga until the KO despite what the judges saw.
On the other side of the coin though, if Marg wins I see someone who can pressure Floyd for 12 rounds and bring out the best in him which I believe we would see and hopefully we wouldn't see a re run off Floyds Baldomir fight where he just bored us to death with basically although I hate to say it, his boxing genius. In that fight he was facing a tough limited boxer which I consider to be a good description of Tony also. Don't get me wrong I have no doubt that Tony has more quality than Baldomir and thats why I think he could bring the best out of Floyd. I also think that Floyd would see it as a good warm up for a possible super fight with Pac or even Hatton if he could beat Pac.
Re: Anyone Else Think That If Shane Beats Margarito, PBF Will Want Shane?
The way Shane looked against the wild swinging Mayorga, Margarito hits a lot harder and will go to the body.
Of all three fighters Tito, Oscar and Mosley, he had the most trouble with Mayorga, and going into a fight with Margarito looking that way isnt good.
I don't think Mosley will get stopped but I don't see him beating Margarito. He isn't going to hurt him or stop him.
So that leaves decision, and I don't see Shane doing that either unless he boxes and moves like Cotto did early on but whens the last time Mosley boxed and move.
