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Retired: Joe Calzaghe, Bernard Hopkins
Unretired: Floyd Mayweather
P4P
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Chad Dawson
5. Paul Williams
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Juan Manuel Lopez
8. Mikkel Kessler
9. Andre Berto
10. Ivan Calderon
Knocking on the door: Jorge Linares, Ricky Hatton, Israel Vasquez, Rafael Marquez, and Antonio Margarito.
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
i think it will be game over for hatton when he fights manny pacquiao
right haven't given this much thought but here's a list off the top of my head ;D
1 PBF
2 Pac
3 Juanma Lopez, yeah he's that good :cool:
4 tall Paul Williams
5 A Abraham, beats Pav in a classic
6 Kessler, provided he fights someone
7 JMM, can see him losing a fight this year
8 Gamboa, still early days but he'd beat anyone in his divison
9 Vazquez, wins a couple but loses to Juanma
10 Paul McCloskey, why not ;D
Mayweather
Pacman
JMM
Williams
Margarito
Vasquez
Marquez
Berto
Cotto
Hatton
This list is assuming Calzaghe and B-Hop have both retired and a few honorable mentions would go to the likes of Kessler, Pavlik, Abraham, Juan Diaz and Chad Dawson.
1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Juan Manuel Marquez
4 Bernard Hopkins
5 Paul Williams
6 Antonio Margarito
7 Ivan Calderon
8 Chad Dawson
9 Juan Manuel Lopez
10 Rafael Marquez
Right ok let me explain this list a bit, Floyd Mayweather returns and gets the number 1 spot back again and beats Andre Berto this year. Manny Pacquiao/JMM both beat there upcoming opponents and stay where they are. Bernard Hopkins stays at 4 maybe has a fight this year and wins but either he stays at 4 can't see him losing or retiring just yet.
Joe Calzaghe retires and gets removed off the top 10 P4P list, Antonio Margarito beats Shane Mosley then Miguel Cotto again, Paul Williams beats Winky Wright then a title holder at Middleweight. But doesn't get the credit for beating Winky Wright because he is lackluster. Ivan Calderon defends his title twice this year but against no one well known.
Rafael Marquez gets knocked down a tad, because he is inactive. Chad Dawson defeats Antonio Tarver again then Glen Johnson again and moves up maybe 1 or 2 places. Juan Manuel Lopez defeats a stiff then beats Israel Vasquez in devastating fashion, he moves into the top 10 and Israel Vasquez gets dropped from the top 10 P4P.
Ice, retired or not floyd has nothing on pac. No way he moves back to top spot while pac is around. Remember Hatton is at his best at 140, floyd didn't want no part of him there but made him go up at 147 where we all saw already how horrible ricky was there. Pac is fighting hatton where hatton rules at 140. Pac beats hatton and already defeated oscar, floyds resume two top names then floyds resume is completely belittled by pacs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
Theres flipside to that you could also say Floyd Mayweather fought a much better version of ODLH. And at ODLH's more comfortable weight aswell, so that works both ways when was the last time ODLH fought at Welterweight ? Manny Pacquiao may have the best single wins but overall Floyd Mayweather has a better resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIce, retired or not floyd has nothing on pac. No way he moves back to top spot while pac is around. Remember Hatton is at his best at 140, floyd didn't want no part of him there but made him go up at 147 where we all saw already how horrible ricky was there. Pac is fighting hatton where hatton rules at 140. Pac beats hatton and already defeated oscar, floyds resume two top names then floyds resume is completely belittled by pacs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
Floyd Mayweather's best wins.
Genaro Hernandez
ODLH
Zab Judah
Ricky Hatton
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
JLC x2
Arturo Gatti
Jesus Chavez
Carlos Baldomir
Manny Pacquiao's best wins.
Erik Morales x2
MAB X2
JMM
ODLH
Jorge Solis
Oscar Larios
Jorge Eliecer Julio
David Diaz
But i do think Manny Pacquiao isn't that far off a few more big wins, and he could easily surpass Floyd Mayweather. But i still think he is somewhat behind, plus Floyd Mayweather also has the better achievements.
ICE are you serious? you always list those same names like all of them are tough fighters :p
How could anyone say Mayweather has nothing on Pac??? Pac is #1 because Floyd retired, plain and simple...
Mayweather is the better fighter hands down no doubt...
Old dried up Delahoya
Scrub Diaz
Questionable and controversial desicion against JMM, then refuses a rematch to silence the critics.... JMM goes to 135 and beats the Ring champion while Pac feasts on a mediocre title holder...
Now JMM is #1 in the division and Pac is #2 But Pac wont rematch him:confused: but wait Pac is jumping weights and not unifiying along the way and he is revered, but mayweather did the same thing and got lambasted...
Thats shits not flying with me :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Mayweather is the best mouth. If he were to be ranked again he'll' be lucky to make the top 10, because he would rather fight Hatton again than Pacquiao.
JMM will drop off the top ten because he'll loose to Diaz. JMM is headed downhill and will continue to loose the longer he says. He has to beat Campbell before you can say he's #1 in the division.
Some of the greatest fighters of all time mouthed of, Muhammad Ali to name one. And how would he be lucky to be top 10 if he comeback ? are you frigging serious ?Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Mayweather is the best mouth. If he were to be ranked again he'll' be lucky to make the top 10, because he would rather fight Hatton again than Pacquiao.
JMM will drop off the top ten because he'll loose to Diaz. JMM is headed downhill and will continue to loose the longer he says. He has to beat Campbell before you can say he's #1 in the division.
How many fighters have won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses ? and how many fighters in modern day boxing have beaten as many quality names as Floyd Mayweather ? and which boxer in modern day boxing has the skills of Floyd Mayweather ?
Also how the hell will JMM lose to Juan Diaz ? Juan Diaz is a good fighter and i personally like his style. But he got picked apart by Nate Campbell. And JMM is one of the best counter punchers and pot shotters around.
Plus Juan Diaz doesn't have the power to hurt JMM, and since when has JMM been on the slide ? he has fought 4 amazing fights in a row against MAB, Rocky Juarez, Manny Pacquiao, Joel Casamayor. So i fail to see how he could be on the slide.
Please he'll beat Campbell faster than Casamayor...Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Mayweather is the best mouth. If he were to be ranked again he'll' be lucky to make the top 10, because he would rather fight Hatton again than Pacquiao.
JMM will drop off the top ten because he'll loose to Diaz. JMM is headed downhill and will continue to loose the longer he says. He has to beat Campbell before you can say he's #1 in the division.
Lose to Diaz... If Campbell could outbox him, JMM will tear his ass up, Jmm is just as tough as Campbell
- Pacman - beats Hatton, retains #1 spot.
- JMM - beats Diaz
- Vasquez - continues to dominate
- Darchinyan - beats Arce, beats winner of Donaire v. Montiel
- Margarito - beats Cotto and Mosley
- Celestino Caballero - jumps into top ten with win over Juanma
- Pavlik - beats Abraham after beating Rubio (but I'm not sold on a win over Abraham yet, waiting for Rubio fight). If no AA fight. No top ten.
- Rafa
- Paul Williams - beats Winkie in close/ugly split decision, and then beats Dzinzurik in a close but unanimous win. Forrest and Margarito don't want anything to do with him.
- Nate Campbell - win over Funeka, and another win, but can't land fight with Pacman or JMM.
- Chris John - beats Rocky Jaurez in the US and then fights another big fight here.
- I'm assuming Calzaghe and Bhop retire, and PBF stays retired.
- Dawson didn't make my list only because a Tarver win doesn't do it for me, and his following opponent won't be world class.
- No super-middleweight made it because I'm not convinced of another big fight on the horizon.
I'll put this one up just for kicks...
PBF
JMM
Pac
Margarito
Cotto
Williams
BCD
Solis
Caballero
Linares
Other possible #9 & #10 spots: Montiel, Berto, "Chocolate" Gonzalez, "Maravilla" Martinez.
Just a couple of comments on some of Floyds fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireTheres flipside to that you could also say Floyd Mayweather fought a much better version of ODLH. And at ODLH's more comfortable weight aswell, so that works both ways when was the last time ODLH fought at Welterweight ? Manny Pacquiao may have the best single wins but overall Floyd Mayweather has a better resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIce, retired or not floyd has nothing on pac. No way he moves back to top spot while pac is around. Remember Hatton is at his best at 140, floyd didn't want no part of him there but made him go up at 147 where we all saw already how horrible ricky was there. Pac is fighting hatton where hatton rules at 140. Pac beats hatton and already defeated oscar, floyds resume two top names then floyds resume is completely belittled by pacs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
Floyd Mayweather's best wins.
Genaro Hernandez Good fighter
ODLH Good but past his best still a gutsy move by Floyd (but Manny shifted up big time in weight)
Zab Judah He was knocked out in two by a 140 great years ago. Floyd could not even KO him.
Ricky Hatton Hatton moved up to take the fight in a division he only ever did shit in;D
Angel Manfredy Good fighter
Diego Corrales Good fighter, seemed off on the night
JLC x2 Lost the first one, second one was scored closer than the first lol, I think!
Arturo Gatti Not a great fighter but had great fights againsed proper brawlers he was just a name to enhance Floyds(arent they all)
Jesus Chavez Good fighter, good performance.
Carlos Baldomir The worst undisputed champion since....fuck knows
Manny Pacquiao's best wins.
Erik Morales x2
MAB X2
JMM
ODLH
Jorge Solis
Oscar Larios
Jorge Eliecer Julio
David Diaz
But i do think Manny Pacquiao isn't that far off a few more big wins, and he could easily surpass Floyd Mayweather. But i still think he is somewhat behind, plus Floyd Mayweather also has the better achievements.