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Oscar destroys Cotto, he totally outboxed Mosley in their second (false), outboxed Trinidad almost every round, made him look foolish and a terrible fighter (and yet lost a decision in his own backyard.... go figure ;)). Gave (the undersized, Oscar's M.O.) Mayweather the second most competitive fight. Gave Hopkins 6 competitive rounds (utter bullsh*t... he folded like a lawn chair from a grazing body shot). Always fought the best guys (yeah, after they were over-the-hill, or Tito's roadkill), always held his own except against Pacquiao. Don't forget to mention Sturm.

As for Cotto haters? Most people on here love Cotto like no other (not at the beginning... it's been earned fight after hard-fought fight). He is a really good fighter, but his durability is hardly that great, and he isn't the best boxer in the world (nobody's claiming he is, unlike your "DLH walks on water" crap). He's definitely good, and one of my favorite fighters, but Oscar in his prime would have stopped Cotto in 6 (That's your opinion. I personally think it would've been much closer).

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Your arguements have no logic to them, I like COtto more than Oscar, but Oscar would kill him. He's faster, more powerful, more of a man, way better chin. Cotto crumpled after a just a few rounds being hit cleanly by Margarito. While Cotto was in his prime. Watch the Oscar-Mosley II fight, why do you think Oscar landed so many more punches than Mosley if he wasn't outboxing him? The Trinidad fight was a bullshit decision, and anyone who wasn't blind saw Oscar win the first 9 rounds, even the last 3 rounds Trinidad could hardly get anything done.

Oscar wasn't owned by Sturm, Sturm won that fight, but it was competitive. Also Oscar never fought guys in their prime, what about Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Quartey, Past his prime or not Whitaker (Oscar was the first person to beat him).

Also how was the body shot by Hopkins grazing? At least he didn't go down without a punch landing like Cotto did the second time he went down against Margarito. You are talking about Oscar being stopped by one of the best fighters ever in Bernard Hopkins. How do you explain Cotto crumpling against a guy he was able to do whatever he wanted to in the first 6 rounds? At least Oscar wasn't rocked and nearly KO'ed by the likes of Ricardo Torres and Demarcus Corley.

If Vargas was ruined after the Trinidad fight, he wouldn't have fought so well against Oscar or Rivera. Let's remember he was coming back from the three knockdowns pretty well in the fourth round before Trinidad resorted to low blows, just like Cotto.

Further more you say Mayweather and Pacquiao are undersized, yet they would both beat Cotto, Pacquiao would stop him faster than he stopped Oscar.

Oscar was among the very best in the sport, so was Cotto, but Oscar is clearly the better fighter out of the two.

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I feel the same way about Oscar,I dont know if I would call him great?He`s had A long carear,and he`s been in with,not everybody,as same claim,but he`s been in with Great opponents throughout his carear,but.

You gotta look at the fight`d for what they were,Hell his best Victiry was probably?I dont know?...Vargas?...This after trinidad had lierially destroyed him as A fighter.Hell,for every person you find that thought he won against Whitaker and Ike Quartey you could find someone else who thought Oscar lost those fight`s,Myself included,Sturm,...Clearly Oscar lost that fight,Mayweather,Mosley,Stopped by Hoplins,Flat-out enbarassed By Pac.Oscar has been in Alot of big fught`s,but the fact is he has lost most of the biggest one`s,and even some of the one`s he won he might have lost.Oscar get`s alot of credit for cashing all the pay dheck`s that he did,But Yori Boy Campus also Fought everybody also,and for alot less Money,putting forth far more effort,and I dont hear anybody claiming how great he is?Oscar was born with A Golden spoon in his mouth like the poster said above and in some people`s mind can do no wrong.

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He beat Whitaker, deserved the decision against Trinidad(IMO his biggest win), he beat JCC twice(once outboxing him, once outfighting him), he was competitive against both Mayweather and Hopkins. He IMO redeemed himself against MOsley in their second fight, beat Mayorga, Vargas, Camacho, Hernandez, Oba Carr, fought a close fight with Quartey. He fought EVERYONE, and every p4p #1 of the past twenty years excluding Roy JOnes Jr.

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Oscar destroys Cotto, he totally outboxed Mosley in their second (false), outboxed Trinidad almost every round, made him look foolish and a terrible fighter (and yet lost a decision in his own backyard.... go figure ;)). Gave (the undersized, Oscar's M.O.) Mayweather the second most competitive fight. Gave Hopkins 6 competitive rounds (utter bullsh*t... he folded like a lawn chair from a grazing body shot). Always fought the best guys (yeah, after they were over-the-hill, or Tito's roadkill), always held his own except against Pacquiao. Don't forget to mention Sturm.

As for Cotto haters? Most people on here love Cotto like no other (not at the beginning... it's been earned fight after hard-fought fight). He is a really good fighter, but his durability is hardly that great, and he isn't the best boxer in the world (nobody's claiming he is, unlike your "DLH walks on water" crap). He's definitely good, and one of my favorite fighters, but Oscar in his prime would have stopped Cotto in 6 (That's your opinion. I personally think it would've been much closer).

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Please refer to my comments above.
Have a nice day.

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Your arguements have no logic to them, I like COtto more than Oscar, but Oscar would kill him. He's faster, more powerful, more of a man, way better chin. Cotto crumpled after a just a few rounds being hit cleanly by Margarito. While Cotto was in his prime. Watch the Oscar-Mosley II fight, why do you think Oscar landed so many more punches than Mosley if he wasn't outboxing him? The Trinidad fight was a bullshit decision, and anyone who wasn't blind saw Oscar win the first 9 rounds, even the last 3 rounds Trinidad could hardly get anything done.

Oscar wasn't owned by Sturm, Sturm won that fight, but it was competitive. Also Oscar never fought guys in their prime, what about Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Quartey, Past his prime or not Whitaker (Oscar was the first person to beat him).

Also how was the body shot by Hopkins grazing? At least he didn't go down without a punch landing like Cotto did the second time he went down against Margarito. You are talking about Oscar being stopped by one of the best fighters ever in Bernard Hopkins. How do you explain Cotto crumpling against a guy he was able to do whatever he wanted to in the first 6 rounds? At least Oscar wasn't rocked and nearly KO'ed by the likes of Ricardo Torres and Demarcus Corley.

If Vargas was ruined after the Trinidad fight, he wouldn't have fought so well against Oscar or Rivera. Let's remember he was coming back from the three knockdowns pretty well in the fourth round before Trinidad resorted to low blows, just like Cotto.

Further more you say Mayweather and Pacquiao are undersized, yet they would both beat Cotto, Pacquiao would stop him faster than he stopped Oscar.

Oscar was among the very best in the sport, so was Cotto, but Oscar is clearly the better fighter out of the two.

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I'm sorry dude... but I lost it after the "more of a man" comment.

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Yeah,I know,...Argument`s can be made either way?,..If I`am not mistaken,..Whitaker threw more punches and landed more punches in his fight with Oscar?...Fight could have went either way,Certainly was not A dominateing win,Contraversial to say the least,....Ditto for the Ike Fight.....Personally I think Oscar Lost both of those fight`s by close Dec.

As far as Chavez is concerned,....?Well,you will pbobably think that I`am bias and looking to dis-credit Oscar for his victories over Chavez,....But Frankly,I did not think that those 2 fight`s with Chavez were going to be that good. Oscar had way too many advantages over the smaller veteran. I dony know,...Maybe these are Oscar`s biggest wins?

Trindad,....Well Technically,...I think Oscar won the fight with Tito,but I can understand why he lost,and so could the HBO commentating crew,Lamps and everybody knew that Oscar had given the fight away,with that Shit that he pulled in the last 3 rounds?...

Oscar was Boxing Tito`s ears off,and then he just did`nt get on his bike,he got on his treadmill.....Every fighter will get on his toes and Box A little when he needs to,...But Boxing will never tolerate that type of Cowardice to just run from and opponent in A Championship fight of that Magnitude.Not even from the Golden Child.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Please refer to my comments above.
Have a nice day.

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Your arguements have no logic to them, I like COtto more than Oscar, but Oscar would kill him. He's faster, more powerful, more of a man, way better chin. Cotto crumpled after a just a few rounds being hit cleanly by Margarito. While Cotto was in his prime. Watch the Oscar-Mosley II fight, why do you think Oscar landed so many more punches than Mosley if he wasn't outboxing him? The Trinidad fight was a bullshit decision, and anyone who wasn't blind saw Oscar win the first 9 rounds, even the last 3 rounds Trinidad could hardly get anything done.

Oscar wasn't owned by Sturm, Sturm won that fight, but it was competitive. Also Oscar never fought guys in their prime, what about Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Quartey, Past his prime or not Whitaker (Oscar was the first person to beat him).

Also how was the body shot by Hopkins grazing? At least he didn't go down without a punch landing like Cotto did the second time he went down against Margarito. You are talking about Oscar being stopped by one of the best fighters ever in Bernard Hopkins. How do you explain Cotto crumpling against a guy he was able to do whatever he wanted to in the first 6 rounds? At least Oscar wasn't rocked and nearly KO'ed by the likes of Ricardo Torres and Demarcus Corley.

If Vargas was ruined after the Trinidad fight, he wouldn't have fought so well against Oscar or Rivera. Let's remember he was coming back from the three knockdowns pretty well in the fourth round before Trinidad resorted to low blows, just like Cotto.

Further more you say Mayweather and Pacquiao are undersized, yet they would both beat Cotto, Pacquiao would stop him faster than he stopped Oscar.

Oscar was among the very best in the sport, so was Cotto, but Oscar is clearly the better fighter out of the two.

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I'm sorry dude... but I lost it after the "more of a man" comment.

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Well at least you didnt reply to his statement with a question, but then again you didnt reply at all. you start to lose credibility.

That was a weird comment though.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Oscar destroys Cotto, he totally outboxed Mosley in their second (false), outboxed Trinidad almost every round, made him look foolish and a terrible fighter (and yet lost a decision in his own backyard.... go figure ;)). Gave (the undersized, Oscar's M.O.) Mayweather the second most competitive fight. Gave Hopkins 6 competitive rounds (utter bullsh*t... he folded like a lawn chair from a grazing body shot). Always fought the best guys (yeah, after they were over-the-hill, or Tito's roadkill), always held his own except against Pacquiao. Don't forget to mention Sturm.

As for Cotto haters? Most people on here love Cotto like no other (not at the beginning... it's been earned fight after hard-fought fight). He is a really good fighter, but his durability is hardly that great, and he isn't the best boxer in the world (nobody's claiming he is, unlike your "DLH walks on water" crap). He's definitely good, and one of my favorite fighters, but Oscar in his prime would have stopped Cotto in 6 (That's your opinion. I personally think it would've been much closer).

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Have a nice day.

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Your arguements have no logic to them, I like COtto more than Oscar, but Oscar would kill him. He's faster, more powerful, more of a man, way better chin. Cotto crumpled after a just a few rounds being hit cleanly by Margarito. While Cotto was in his prime. Watch the Oscar-Mosley II fight, why do you think Oscar landed so many more punches than Mosley if he wasn't outboxing him? The Trinidad fight was a bullshit decision, and anyone who wasn't blind saw Oscar win the first 9 rounds, even the last 3 rounds Trinidad could hardly get anything done.

Oscar wasn't owned by Sturm, Sturm won that fight, but it was competitive. Also Oscar never fought guys in their prime, what about Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Quartey, Past his prime or not Whitaker (Oscar was the first person to beat him).

Also how was the body shot by Hopkins grazing? At least he didn't go down without a punch landing like Cotto did the second time he went down against Margarito. You are talking about Oscar being stopped by one of the best fighters ever in Bernard Hopkins. How do you explain Cotto crumpling against a guy he was able to do whatever he wanted to in the first 6 rounds? At least Oscar wasn't rocked and nearly KO'ed by the likes of Ricardo Torres and Demarcus Corley.

If Vargas was ruined after the Trinidad fight, he wouldn't have fought so well against Oscar or Rivera. Let's remember he was coming back from the three knockdowns pretty well in the fourth round before Trinidad resorted to low blows, just like Cotto.

Further more you say Mayweather and Pacquiao are undersized, yet they would both beat Cotto, Pacquiao would stop him faster than he stopped Oscar.

Oscar was among the very best in the sport, so was Cotto, but Oscar is clearly the better fighter out of the two.

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firstly a few rounds ?? 11 to be precise so over 90% of the fight not 'just a few rounds', let marg hit you for 11 rounds and see how you do infact would be interesting to see oscar stand up to the violence Margarito dished out that night

secondly, you are wrong Oscar won most of the first 9 maybe, 5 out of them 9 IMO, Trinidad cleaned up the last 3 so thats 115-113 Trinidad

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Your arguements have no logic to them, I like COtto more than Oscar, but Oscar would kill him. He's faster, more powerful, more of a man, way better chin. Cotto crumpled after a just a few rounds being hit cleanly by Margarito. While Cotto was in his prime. Watch the Oscar-Mosley II fight, why do you think Oscar landed so many more punches than Mosley if he wasn't outboxing him? The Trinidad fight was a bullshit decision, and anyone who wasn't blind saw Oscar win the first 9 rounds, even the last 3 rounds Trinidad could hardly get anything done.

Oscar wasn't owned by Sturm, Sturm won that fight, but it was competitive. Also Oscar never fought guys in their prime, what about Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Quartey, Past his prime or not Whitaker (Oscar was the first person to beat him).

Also how was the body shot by Hopkins grazing? At least he didn't go down without a punch landing like Cotto did the second time he went down against Margarito. You are talking about Oscar being stopped by one of the best fighters ever in Bernard Hopkins. How do you explain Cotto crumpling against a guy he was able to do whatever he wanted to in the first 6 rounds? At least Oscar wasn't rocked and nearly KO'ed by the likes of Ricardo Torres and Demarcus Corley.

If Vargas was ruined after the Trinidad fight, he wouldn't have fought so well against Oscar or Rivera. Let's remember he was coming back from the three knockdowns pretty well in the fourth round before Trinidad resorted to low blows, just like Cotto.

Further more you say Mayweather and Pacquiao are undersized, yet they would both beat Cotto, Pacquiao would stop him faster than he stopped Oscar.

Oscar was among the very best in the sport, so was Cotto, but Oscar is clearly the better fighter out of the two.

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I'm sorry dude... but I lost it after the "more of a man" comment.

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Well at least you didnt reply to his statement with a question, but then again you didnt reply at all. you start to lose credibility.

That was a weird comment though.

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As hard as this may be for you to believe, your opinion about my credibility matters very little to me.

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I'm sorry dude... but I lost it after the "more of a man" comment.

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Well at least you didnt reply to his statement with a question, but then again you didnt reply at all. you start to lose credibility.

That was a weird comment though.

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As hard as this may be for you to believe, your opinion about my credibility matters very little to me.

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Oh I know that, but do you think I am the only one that sees you ducking comments on your posts? Your ducking of debating with someone who challenges your posts is beginning to look like the ducking you say DLH has done against "real WW"

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Well at least you didnt reply to his statement with a question, but then again you didnt reply at all. you start to lose credibility.

That was a weird comment though.

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As hard as this may be for you to believe, your opinion about my credibility matters very little to me.

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Oh I know that, but do you think I am the only one that sees you ducking comments on your posts? Your ducking of debating with someone who challenges your posts is beginning to look like the ducking you say DLH has done against "real WW"

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A real man speaks for himself, and lets others do their own talking. I don't "duck" anyone who wants to debate, squirt. I ignore fools such as yourself who continue to spout the same sh*t over and over again without stopping to read what others have to say.

Now f*ck off.

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As hard as this may be for you to believe, your opinion about my credibility matters very little to me.

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Oh I know that, but do you think I am the only one that sees you ducking comments on your posts? Your ducking of debating with someone who challenges your posts is beginning to look like the ducking you say DLH has done against "real WW"

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A real man speaks for himself, and lets others do their own talking. I don't "duck" anyone who wants to debate, squirt. I ignore fools such as yourself who continue to spout the same sh*t over and over again without stopping to read what others have to say.

Now f*ck off.

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So speak up "real man" stop ignoring questions and statements made by posters who question your posts. As bright and knowledgable as you THINK you are, you show your ignorance in resorting to name calling and obcene language.

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Please refer to my comments above.
Have a nice day.

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Your arguements have no logic to them, I like COtto more than Oscar, but Oscar would kill him. He's faster, more powerful, more of a man, way better chin. Cotto crumpled after a just a few rounds being hit cleanly by Margarito. While Cotto was in his prime. Watch the Oscar-Mosley II fight, why do you think Oscar landed so many more punches than Mosley if he wasn't outboxing him? The Trinidad fight was a bullshit decision, and anyone who wasn't blind saw Oscar win the first 9 rounds, even the last 3 rounds Trinidad could hardly get anything done.

Oscar wasn't owned by Sturm, Sturm won that fight, but it was competitive. Also Oscar never fought guys in their prime, what about Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Quartey, Past his prime or not Whitaker (Oscar was the first person to beat him).

Also how was the body shot by Hopkins grazing? At least he didn't go down without a punch landing like Cotto did the second time he went down against Margarito. You are talking about Oscar being stopped by one of the best fighters ever in Bernard Hopkins. How do you explain Cotto crumpling against a guy he was able to do whatever he wanted to in the first 6 rounds? At least Oscar wasn't rocked and nearly KO'ed by the likes of Ricardo Torres and Demarcus Corley.

If Vargas was ruined after the Trinidad fight, he wouldn't have fought so well against Oscar or Rivera. Let's remember he was coming back from the three knockdowns pretty well in the fourth round before Trinidad resorted to low blows, just like Cotto.

Further more you say Mayweather and Pacquiao are undersized, yet they would both beat Cotto, Pacquiao would stop him faster than he stopped Oscar.

Oscar was among the very best in the sport, so was Cotto, but Oscar is clearly the better fighter out of the two.

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I'm sorry dude... but I lost it after the "more of a man" comment.

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Oscar took twice the beating Cotto has ever received, and has still kept on fighting. You can't insult one guy, then say a guy who is worse than him is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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Yeah,I know,...Argument`s can be made either way?,..If I`am not mistaken,..Whitaker threw more punches and landed more punches in his fight with Oscar?...Fight could have went either way,Certainly was not A dominateing win,Contraversial to say the least,....Ditto for the Ike Fight.....Personally I think Oscar Lost both of those fight`s by close Dec.

As far as Chavez is concerned,....?Well,you will pbobably think that I`am bias and looking to dis-credit Oscar for his victories over Chavez,....But Frankly,I did not think that those 2 fight`s with Chavez were going to be that good. Oscar had way too many advantages over the smaller veteran. I dony know,...Maybe these are Oscar`s biggest wins?

Trindad,....Well Technically,...I think Oscar won the fight with Tito,but I can understand why he lost,and so could the HBO commentating crew,Lamps and everybody knew that Oscar had given the fight away,with that Shit that he pulled in the last 3 rounds?...

Oscar was Boxing Tito`s ears off,and then he just did`nt get on his bike,he got on his treadmill.....Every fighter will get on his toes and Box A little when he needs to,...But Boxing will never tolerate that type of Cowardice to just run from and opponent in A Championship fight of that Magnitude.Not even from the Golden Child.

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3 rounds out of 12 he was moving and not throwing. He SHOULD have won that fight, thats how scoring works. If you think he was a coward explain how he fought Vargas, Chavez the second time, Quartey, etc, etc. He wasn't just a little boxer, he fought with heart, and he was a great fighter. As for compubox its a load of shit that is almost never accurate. Sure Oscar fought close fights with guys, but they were the best fighters in the world in any division. It reasonable for him not to win everytime, but at least he could hold his own(minus the Pacquiao fight). He always gave a good account for himself, and he was a special fighter. There is no denying how skilled, how tough, or how good Oscar is, and there is a reason why he was so loved by boxing fans, he made the fights everyone wanted to see, he had a lot of exciting fights, and he let it all hang out in the ring.

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Your arguements have no logic to them, I like COtto more than Oscar, but Oscar would kill him. He's faster, more powerful, more of a man, way better chin. Cotto crumpled after a just a few rounds being hit cleanly by Margarito. While Cotto was in his prime. Watch the Oscar-Mosley II fight, why do you think Oscar landed so many more punches than Mosley if he wasn't outboxing him? The Trinidad fight was a bullshit decision, and anyone who wasn't blind saw Oscar win the first 9 rounds, even the last 3 rounds Trinidad could hardly get anything done.

Oscar wasn't owned by Sturm, Sturm won that fight, but it was competitive. Also Oscar never fought guys in their prime, what about Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Quartey, Past his prime or not Whitaker (Oscar was the first person to beat him).

Also how was the body shot by Hopkins grazing? At least he didn't go down without a punch landing like Cotto did the second time he went down against Margarito. You are talking about Oscar being stopped by one of the best fighters ever in Bernard Hopkins. How do you explain Cotto crumpling against a guy he was able to do whatever he wanted to in the first 6 rounds? At least Oscar wasn't rocked and nearly KO'ed by the likes of Ricardo Torres and Demarcus Corley.

If Vargas was ruined after the Trinidad fight, he wouldn't have fought so well against Oscar or Rivera. Let's remember he was coming back from the three knockdowns pretty well in the fourth round before Trinidad resorted to low blows, just like Cotto.

Further more you say Mayweather and Pacquiao are undersized, yet they would both beat Cotto, Pacquiao would stop him faster than he stopped Oscar.

Oscar was among the very best in the sport, so was Cotto, but Oscar is clearly the better fighter out of the two.

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I'm sorry dude... but I lost it after the "more of a man" comment.

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Oscar took twice the beating Cotto has ever received, and has still kept on fighting. You can't insult one guy, then say a guy who is worse than him is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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You and Onixboy must have a hearing/reading problem. Nowhere have I (or anyone else here, for that matter) claimed Cotto is the best thing since sliced bread. All I do is mention the characteristics I admire about Cotto, and the Cotto-haters come out of the woodwork. As for DLH, I've posted countless of times what it is about the guy that I've never liked. That he's got his positives... yes he does. But he's nowhere near the "boxing god" you and several others make him out to be. You can talk about the DLH-Tito fight all you want. But the fact is, he lost a decision to three Stateside judges in his own backyard. They must've seen something you didn't. Remember, they DIDN'T fight in Puerto Rico. And as for DLH's list of opponents, I've commented good things about some, not-so-good things about others. Among his good victories: Quartey, Genaro Hernandez. But Vargas was damaged goods, as was Mayorga and Oba Carr... all savagely KO'ed by Tito. Coincidence? I call it shrewd planning by Team Oscar.

And finally, yes... Oscar took a savage beating, just like Cotto. But while Oscar took his at the hands of a smaller man handpicked by Oscar to further his legacy, Cotto took his at the hands of someone Oscar chose to ignore. Nothing you, or Onixboy, can say will change those facts.