Re: Gov, Arnold Schwarznegger: "Team Margarito is going to pay for cheating.
I personally think Margo knew and that this was either the first time or one of a very few times he's tried this. If we are to believe he packed on the lbs after Cotto maybe he wanted to "counterbalance". Doesn't make it right and if it is proven he knew (don't know how he wouldn't have) he should receive a lengthy suspension. Tyson got a year for biting a piece of Holyfield's ear off, Judah got suspended a year for fighting people not his opponent; Margarito should get at least 2-3 years. He could have permanently injured or killed Mosley.
Re: Gov, Arnold Schwarznegger: "Team Margarito is going to pay for cheating.
AM should get longer for something he may not have done/ known about and for 'potentially' hurting Moseley when he didn't?
Let's not forget Tyson's attempted arm break? How long should he have got for that?
I think people need to calm down a tad.
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In Margaros case have already a jurisprudence ( Collins fight ) , so i dont believe that Margaro didnt know what his trainer doing to him each time when Capetillo wrapping him , for example if somebody try to put on you in the Gauze or hands-wrap something like that substance that you unknown , is logic that you will going ask , What is that and for what?
Isnt it?
Just like Tito would do right? and no i don't think Trinidad loaded up his gloves either, but he was accused of the same thing, and then i thought the same thing i think now, that it's just plain out bullshit, and if Capetillo were to do it, well hell you can't automatically say the fighter knew about it, plenty times you see a fighter just relaxing with headphones on while getting wrapped, getting focused for the fight
" CORRECTION " My friend Tito never was accuse for the same thing don't get confuse , founded plaster is a thing and the dislike of how was wrapped Tito hands is another thing .............Don'T compare Tito with Margaro , i respect and admire Margaro like a boxer , but Tito was really , really different in all aspects.......
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I liked Tony, but its pay to play...if he played around with the rules he has to pay.....If he loaded his gloves ban him for life.....
I respected Tony as a fighter even though I rooted for Cotto and Mosley (alot of times I go for the underdog), but if he did choose to cheat in this way he should be banned...
“I’ve spoken to some people over there,” the Nevada source said. “They are going to bring the hammer down on these guys. It doesn’t help the Margarito team’s situation that Gov, Schwarznegger was sitting at ringside. At the end of the day, the governor feels that it’s his commission and he wants any wrongdoers held accountable.”
Why would you respect a guy (if he did cheat) for being a cheat? We are given the hint (Read between the lines) with the round about leak from the California commission to the Nevada Commission that he's going to get hammered. You don't need give someone time to prepare a legal defense if he is innocent! You clear yourname right away to prevent undo innuendo and rumors from doing damage to your reputation. Or do you think the commission is really that stupid in this day and age of the internet?
Who is going to believe that crap "he didn't know"?
And they are telling us that Capetillo will play the fall guy so Margarito can continue his career. Who the hell will give this guy the dignity of a fight if he's crew is found guilty. Cotto? for what? he was beating Margarito on the cards and without the plaster advantage he's done! Once this news is offical the guy is well done! His promoter is the only guy that can save his ass and he'll probably ream it more that prison would.
Re: Gov, Arnold Schwarznegger: "Team Margarito is going to pay for cheating.
ok, how do you prove he did know - if it's true
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Howlin Mad Missy
AM should get longer for something he may not have done/ known about and for 'potentially' hurting Moseley when he didn't?
Let's not forget Tyson's attempted arm break? How long should he have got for that?
I think people need to calm down a tad.
I did say once he has been found guilty/libel/whatever. I don't want to lynch the guy, but had Richardson not seen he certainly would have been hitting Mosley with those. It's not as if he had an attack of conscience and removed them himself. I personally feel there's no way he didn't know. If he didn't see it, it would have felt different and it should have at least begged the question, "Hey, did you do something different with the wraps?"
If I plot to kill my wife and I get arrested I wouldn't get a slap on the wrist for that. I don't think he should be banned, but I think his punishment should be significant. It would have been worse than what Judah did and it would have been worse than what Tyson did to Holyfield. Both were year-long suspensions and the Tyson attempted arm break should have been another suspension. It's probably the difference between a travel call on a lesser player versus Lebron James getting away with the same thing. Margarito gets nowhere near the credit a Tyson would. I'm not saying it's right, just saying how it probably is.
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Gov. Arnie should worry more about getting his State out of financial ruin.DAMN...who busted The Governatter in the lip :o
Tony or any fighter for that matter should not be counted on to micro manage their respected corner people/trainer in doing their jobs.Mind needs to be on the ring and opponent.
Fighters and whoever is wrapping their hands have to be on the same page. You can't just wrap every fighters hands the same - every fighter's hands are different and because of that plus their style of boxing - handwrapping should be different and catered toward the boxer. This happens with feedback, input and learning as they develop that relationship. It also comes in training camp if that relationship isn't already in place (new trainer). Fight night is NOT the first time a fighter gets his hands wrapped by an individual.Even for my boxers that I've wrapped their hands for years - I get feedback to make sure the job feels good TO THEM. Doesn't really matter what I think. I'm no pro at handwrapping, but I know that pros know exactly how the wrap job should feel for them.
My point is that unless they 'loaded' his gloves regulary and during training camp - I would think Margarito either 1) knew something was different that night about the handwraps and planned to keep quiet or 2) he knew all along they "wrapped" his hands that way
I don't really buy the "he didn't know" excuse. A fighters hands are his career. You just don't go to sleep and wake up with your hands wrapped.
That's pretty much what I was gonna say except your's was better.
BTW what has gone on with this in the past week, I've been out of the loop, is it still being reviewed?
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Howlin Mad Missy
ok, how do you prove he did know - if it's true
Ok, let's assume the foreign substance was actually plaster and that is the key. Do you really think or believe he didn't know?
You have to get Margarito to confess he knew, by addressing the normal behavior of hand wrapping. It's basically a game at this point. Like the article says is there going to be a fall guy? And will the commission use the hammer on Margarito and to what degree if there is?
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DC Amateur Boxing
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Gov. Arnie should worry more about getting his State out of financial ruin.DAMN...who busted The Governatter in the lip :o
Tony or any fighter for that matter should not be counted on to micro manage their respected corner people/trainer in doing their jobs.Mind needs to be on the ring and opponent.
Fighters and whoever is wrapping their hands have to be on the same page. You can't just wrap every fighters hands the same - every fighter's hands are different and because of that plus their style of boxing - handwrapping should be different and catered toward the boxer. This happens with feedback, input and learning as they develop that relationship. It also comes in training camp if that relationship isn't already in place (new trainer). Fight night is NOT the first time a fighter gets his hands wrapped by an individual.Even for my boxers that I've wrapped their hands for years - I get feedback to make sure the job feels good TO THEM. Doesn't really matter what I think. I'm no pro at handwrapping, but I know that pros know exactly how the wrap job should feel for them.
My point is that unless they 'loaded' his gloves regulary and during training camp - I would think Margarito either 1) knew something was different that night about the handwraps and planned to keep quiet or 2) he knew all along they "wrapped" his hands that way
I don't really buy the "he didn't know" excuse. A fighters hands are his career. You just don't go to sleep and wake up with your hands wrapped.
Actually a very nice point but I have somewhat of an small idea of the internal bond and communications that are not only existent in a dressing room but throughout a training camp between fighter and trainer.On one hand I would think that after so many years together at a contender and championship level there is less need for a fighter to scrutinize and micro manage his trainer on his everyday duties...and vis versa.A trainer mentors,over sees,guides and corrects among other things as far as I know.The fighter needs to and should be focused on the ring.Just a huge leap in assumption to conclude Tony had knowledge of any thing that frankly has yet to be determined in detail in commission findings.......shite,we don't even know what we know as far as the "it" and to presume we do with a mans career at stake is rash Imo.We're putting the cart before the horse.And no,I'm not making excuses for something or someone that we do not know the full deal on yet...that would be premature.
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I am curious Danny G why do you not like Margarito? I can see why alot of people dont like some fighters because of their style or their attitude outside the ring. So I am honestly interested in knowing what you have against Margo?
It was rivalry with Cotto but after he beat Cotto, it was all good. I was rooting for Tony before the Mosley fight, but when news came out that he was loading his gloves, it all made perfect sense. He destroyed Cintron and Cotto and yet his punches against Shane were as though Sergio Mora himself was throwing those weak azz pity pat punches. Like Lampley said, where were those tremendous THUDDING punches against Mosley? He cheated, plain and simple. Fight to win and do what you can and must but adding plaster to your wraps is just a little too much for me. I lost respect for the guy.
In closing, when I found out about the plaster, I immediately began to root for Mosley and I enjoyed the fight very much because someone was caught cheating and got exposed right after.
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I'm not wanting to get into this before we know the results of the inquiry but I read one guy who says he's been boxing for 20 years and said there's no way on earth anybody doesn't know what's in their wraps. Is this true?
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Is it just me or is this taking a crazy amount of time to get the results?
I mean if it was plaster would it not be dry and rock hard now? u think these experts would have been able to sort this shit by now...
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I am curious Danny G why do you not like Margarito? I can see why alot of people dont like some fighters because of their style or their attitude outside the ring. So I am honestly interested in knowing what you have against Margo?
It was rivalry with Cotto but after he beat Cotto, it was all good. I was rooting for Tony before the Mosley fight, but when news came out that he was loading his gloves, it all made perfect sense. He destroyed Cintron and Cotto and yet his punches against Shane were as though Sergio Mora himself was throwing those weak azz pity pat punches. Like Lampley said, where were those tremendous THUDDING punches against Mosley? He cheated, plain and simple. Fight to win and do what you can and must but adding plaster to your wraps is just a little too much for me. I lost respect for the guy.
In closing, when I found out about the plaster, I immediately began to root for Mosley and I enjoyed the fight very much because someone was caught cheating and got exposed right after.
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My dearest AmandaGB, you clearly see that I was rooting for Tony until I learned that he was caught cheating. How is that being obsessed my good darling? Come on now AmandaGB don't be such a GB about this. ;D
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lol, it'd just be refreshing to hear you talk about something else...
Re: Gov, Arnold Schwarznegger: "Team Margarito is going to pay for cheating.
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Howlin Mad Missy
AM should get longer for something he may not have done/ known about and for 'potentially' hurting Moseley when he didn't?
Let's not forget Tyson's attempted arm break? How long should he have got for that?
I think people need to calm down a tad.
It's not the "potential" cheating by hurting another boxer that he should be punished. You are supposed to follow the rules and if true, he didn't "almost" cheat because he didn't get in the ring. He cheated and got caught. Or else, the commission wouldn't have taken the sample. They would just say "Ok, you know better Antonio. Behave" lol.
