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The only possible chance you could give james toney is to win by doing something that Roy Jones, Joe Calzaghe, jermain taylor, winky wright, kelly pavlik, oscar de la hoya, felix trinidad etc etc all couldnt do and actually stop hopkins.
Otherwise even at 185 toney will still be a very straight forward fighter that hopkins will simply run rings around and take a unanimous points decision or even a late stoppage.
I dont think the fight can physically happen at 185 pounds. Not within this year anyway. Toney is probably floating around 250 pounds as we speak. I just think its utterly bizarre to be talking about Hopkins. It really makes me think that Toney is looking to talk his way into the only possible payday he can make after his recent crappy showings.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I always wanted to see these guys fight, but the timing never seemed quite right. Its still not imo. Toney probably could get down 185 and he would. The payday would motivate him. But, at 40 I dont think that its a smart thing to do, could turn out like Chris Byrd. Hopkins would likely be more comfortable at that weight, even though hes never fought there before.
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Originally Posted by milesI dont think the fight can physically happen at 185 pounds. Not within this year anyway. Toney is probably floating around 250 pounds as we speak. I just think its utterly bizarre to be talking about Hopkins. It really makes me think that Toney is looking to talk his way into the only possible payday he can make after his recent crappy showings.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
probably true
it would beg the question why he is shouting his mouth off about a 175pound ring master when he looked completely past it against the likes of oquendo
The first thing I thought when I seen this was liposuction. There is no way in hell this man will make 185 lbs. F**K Toney.
It would generate a fair bit of money, I guess. Toney himself probably wont allow that he has slipped considerably too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by milesI dont think the fight can physically happen at 185 pounds. Not within this year anyway. Toney is probably floating around 250 pounds as we speak. I just think its utterly bizarre to be talking about Hopkins. It really makes me think that Toney is looking to talk his way into the only possible payday he can make after his recent crappy showings.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
probably true
it would beg the question why he is shouting his mouth off about a 175pound ring master when he looked completely past it against the likes of oquendo
On the contrary Toney is a slick counterpuncher, he is not Pavlik nor will he come in without a plan bQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
He is also 40 years of age, and would be losing over 20kg's in weight to face Hopkins. Hopkins is older, but always in shape. Im a long time Toney fan, but the whole proposition sounds absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockOn the contrary Toney is a slick counterpuncher, he is not Pavlik nor will he come in without a plan bQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Why so hostile:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Toney's never been stopped... although I haven't seen him rocked like he was against Oquendo a couple times. That was sorely disappointing to watch. ... and to think I call myself a Toney fan... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
It's pathetic how fat he let himself get. He was whooping Rahman's ass though in that fight before last! So I wouldn't go as far as to say he hasn't looked good in forever...
Granted that was only 3rnds, and it is Rahman we are talking about
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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
I hear you miles, but the point of my post was to show that obviously HTH knows little about Toney to say he is a straight forward fighter;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHe is also 40 years of age, and would be losing over 20kg's in weight to face Hopkins. Hopkins is older, but always in shape. Im a long time Toney fan, but the whole proposition sounds absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockOn the contrary Toney is a slick counterpuncher, he is not Pavlik nor will he come in without a plan bQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
To be honest i think he's knowledge is very little on alot of boxers, his post about Pernell Whitaker in the other thread was absurd. Now this one ain't much better, he needs to watch his fights against.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI hear you miles, but the point of my post was to show that obviously HTH knows little about Toney to say he is a straight forward fighter;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHe is also 40 years of age, and would be losing over 20kg's in weight to face Hopkins. Hopkins is older, but always in shape. Im a long time Toney fan, but the whole proposition sounds absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Michael Nunn
Iran Barkley
Vassiliy Jirov
Mike McCallum
Charles Williams
ETC.
James Toney is a throwback fighter he can box beautifully rolling with the punches, he can find angles brilliantly his countering skills are top notch. James Toney is like a boxer from the 1950's he really is the complete package, he just often didn't train enough which let him down.
"...by Hopkins I mean 14 hamburgers and by KO I mean eat."
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Originally Posted by JT RockI hear you miles, but the point of my post was to show that obviously HTH knows little about Toney to say he is a straight forward fighter;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHe is also 40 years of age, and would be losing over 20kg's in weight to face Hopkins. Hopkins is older, but always in shape. Im a long time Toney fan, but the whole proposition sounds absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
He`s a 40 year blob who would have to conceed an endless amount of muscle to get down to 185 and you seriously think he`s gonna do anything other than attempt to go straight to route 1???
PS:Ive seen a good dozen Toney fights so once again JT your accusations fall on death ears:rolleyes: