Should Jerry Quarry be in the HOF?

I would vote yes, Jerry fought in the HW divisions golden era, he has quality wins, people tend to forget that in that particular era the CONTENDERS were heads above the champions of most any other era....

Jerry holds wins over guys like Floyd Patterson, first man to beat Ron Lyle, Earnie shavers to name a few,...he was a top notch fighter with huge heart

Also he was a big part of that eras history...

People tend to forget that the HOF is not just for champions and not only for the truly elite...The HOF is for fighters who gave to the sport more then others...Jerry gave all he had....He was in some important bouts...It is about fighters who played important parts of history...Jerry fit those criteria

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I would vote yes, Jerry fought in the HW divisions golden era, he has quality wins, people tend to forget that in that particular era the CONTENDERS were heads above the champions of most any other era....

Jerry holds wins over guys like Floyd Patterson, first man to beat Ron Lyle, Earnie shavers to name a few,...he was a top notch fighter with huge heart

Also he was a big part of that eras history...

People tend to forget that the HOF is not just for champions and not only for the truly elite...The HOF is for fighters who gave to the sport more then others...Jerry gave all he had....He was in some important bouts...It is about fighters who played important parts of history...Jerry fit those criteria

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Could not have said it better. It's time to put Jerry where he belongs. In the HOF.

Really? I never thought of Jerry Quarry as an elite fighter. More of someone who hung in there with the best.

I wonder how Quarry would be doing in today's heavyweight picture...

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Originally Posted by C-Lo

Really? I never thought of Jerry Quarry as an elite fighter. More of someone who hung in there with the best.

I wonder how Quarry would be doing in today's heavyweight picture...

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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

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Is it really? I mean, I see your point, but I'm sure that there's more than a few fighters in there who can't really be considered elite by any stretch of the imagination.

I would tend to agree with you Mr Uppercut, but HOF is probably already kinda watered down. so why not for Quarry? He is famous, and an integral part of the Golden Era.

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Thank you. Let me add that the standerd has been set already by the HOF. With Braddock it's the story rather what he did in the ring. I'm going by what Quarry did in the ring against the very best in a era that was filled with very good fighters. Could Braddock beat Shavers,Lyle, or Foster? I don't think so.

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Not sure if Braddock could have beat those guys. Then again I don't remember them killing someone with a punch like Baer did. Baer in my mind was scarier than Mike Tyson. Not sure Baer would have beat Tyson, but if he fought Tyson before he killed a guy or two and started clowing around rather than really taking it out on guys it might have been a war.

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Sadly you are referring to Baer the Ron Howard creation rather than the true Max Baer. A great fighter for sure but hardly scary like Tyson. His biggest failing was that he was a clown, too good natured and happy go lucky to really dedicate himself to the sport. The Max Baer in the Cinderella Man film never existed.

Back on point though Jerry Quarry is not a Hall of Fame fighter. If you put him in then you need to argue a case for Frank Bruno as he had two encounters with Tyson and fought Lewis and Witherspoon too. :rolleyes:

What about George Chuvalo and Henry Cooper?

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I would vote yes, Jerry fought in the HW divisions golden era, he has quality wins, people tend to forget that in that particular era the CONTENDERS were heads above the champions of most any other era....

Jerry holds wins over guys like Floyd Patterson, first man to beat Ron Lyle, Earnie shavers to name a few,...he was a top notch fighter with huge heart

Also he was a big part of that eras history...

People tend to forget that the HOF is not just for champions and not only for the truly elite...The HOF is for fighters who gave to the sport more then others...Jerry gave all he had....He was in some important bouts...It is about fighters who played important parts of history...Jerry fit those criteria

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Not disagreeing with this but are there any Hall of Fame fighters who didn't win a world title? I'm talking post war here, not great black fighters like Sam Langford who never got a title shot in the old days on account of their colour.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

Thank you. Let me add that the standerd has been set already by the HOF. With Braddock it's the story rather what he did in the ring. I'm going by what Quarry did in the ring against the very best in a era that was filled with very good fighters. Could Braddock beat Shavers,Lyle, or Foster? I don't think so.

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Not sure if Braddock could have beat those guys. Then again I don't remember them killing someone with a punch like Baer did. Baer in my mind was scarier than Mike Tyson. Not sure Baer would have beat Tyson, but if he fought Tyson before he killed a guy or two and started clowing around rather than really taking it out on guys it might have been a war.

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Sadly you are referring to Baer the Ron Howard creation rather than the true Max Baer. A great fighter for sure but hardly scary like Tyson. His biggest failing was that he was a clown, too good natured and happy go lucky to really dedicate himself to the sport. The Max Baer in the Cinderella Man film never existed.

Back on point though Jerry Quarry is not a Hall of Fame fighter. If you put him in then you need to argue a case for Frank Bruno as he had two encounters with Tyson and fought Lewis and Witherspoon too. :rolleyes:

What about George Chuvalo and Henry Cooper?

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Bruno Id consider,Chuvalo borderline,no on Cooper

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I would vote yes, Jerry fought in the HW divisions golden era, he has quality wins, people tend to forget that in that particular era the CONTENDERS were heads above the champions of most any other era....

Jerry holds wins over guys like Floyd Patterson, first man to beat Ron Lyle, Earnie shavers to name a few,...he was a top notch fighter with huge heart

Also he was a big part of that eras history...

People tend to forget that the HOF is not just for champions and not only for the truly elite...The HOF is for fighters who gave to the sport more then others...Jerry gave all he had....He was in some important bouts...It is about fighters who played important parts of history...Jerry fit those criteria

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Not disagreeing with this but are there any Hall of Fame fighters who didn't win a world title? I'm talking post war here, not great black fighters like Sam Langford who never got a title shot in the old days on account of their colour.

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I understand what you are saying mate...was not referring to your post with mine just saying in general people tend to think that...

I had actually tackled that topic in my top 25 list in the top 100 of all time thread...When I put Sam Langford in my top 10 of all time

Tough one! Maybe because in pretty much any other era he would have been one of the major players. I'm not saying definite world champ but in this day and age he would more than likely at least pick up a strap.

Jess Wilard was known for beating a tired old Johnson and taking the worst beating in boxing history. He's in the HOF! Understand the standard has been set already. You can't unring a bell. Jerry Quarry is better than Braddock and Wilard. It's not like baseball where a player has to have 500 HR or 3,000 hits. There is no real standard. Jerry belongs in the hall.

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

Jess Wilard was known for beating a tired old Johnson and taking the worst beating in boxing history. He's in the HOF! Understand the standard has been set already. You can't unring a bell. Jerry Quarry is better than Braddock and Wilard. It's not like baseball where a player has to have 500 HR or 3,000 hits. There is no real standard. Jerry belongs in the hall.

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Yeah but as has already been noted both Wilard and Braddock meant much more to boxing history than Quarry did.

Also both Willard and Braddock were undisputed heavyweight champs, Quarrey never was.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

Jess Wilard was known for beating a tired old Johnson and taking the worst beating in boxing history. He's in the HOF! Understand the standard has been set already. You can't unring a bell. Jerry Quarry is better than Braddock and Wilard. It's not like baseball where a player has to have 500 HR or 3,000 hits. There is no real standard. Jerry belongs in the hall.

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Yeah but as has already been noted both Wilard and Braddock meant much more to boxing history than Quarry did.

Also both Willard and Braddock were undisputed heavyweight champs, Quarrey never was.

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Man come on. I think we both know Quarry would have been champion in their era. We must look at the era at which they fought. Quarry era was much,much tougher that Braddock or Wilard.

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

Jess Wilard was known for beating a tired old Johnson and taking the worst beating in boxing history. He's in the HOF! Understand the standard has been set already. You can't unring a bell. Jerry Quarry is better than Braddock and Wilard. It's not like baseball where a player has to have 500 HR or 3,000 hits. There is no real standard. Jerry belongs in the hall.

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Yeah but as has already been noted both Wilard and Braddock meant much more to boxing history than Quarry did.

Also both Willard and Braddock were undisputed heavyweight champs, Quarrey never was.

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Man come on. I think we both know Quarry would have been champion in their era. We must look at the era at which they fought. Quarry era was much,much tougher that Braddock or Wilard.

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I don't really see why at all to be honest. The Hall of Fame is for those fighters who best in their era or who occupied a cherished place in boxing history. You can't put someone in the Hall based on what you 'think' their acomplishments would have been in another era its ridiculous.

In that case Harry Simon should be in there because he would have definitely won world titles if he hadn't have ended up in jail, or maybe Davey Moore who would surely have gone on to do great things had not Roberto Duran ruined him.

The Hall is based on actual acomplishments not hypothetical matchups between fighters of different eras.

So using that logic Larry Bird shouldn't be in the basketball HOF because he was only the 2nd or 3rd best player at the time. Quarry being put in the hall is not only about him but the era in which he fought. Ali,Frazier,Foreman,Lyle,Shaver,or Norton. Larry Holmes once said that this era was the best from top to bottom in the history of the sport.

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

Jess Wilard was known for beating a tired old Johnson and taking the worst beating in boxing history. He's in the HOF! Understand the standard has been set already. You can't unring a bell. Jerry Quarry is better than Braddock and Wilard. It's not like baseball where a player has to have 500 HR or 3,000 hits. There is no real standard. Jerry belongs in the hall.

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Yeah but as has already been noted both Wilard and Braddock meant much more to boxing history than Quarry did.

Also both Willard and Braddock were undisputed heavyweight champs, Quarrey never was.

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Man come on. I think we both know Quarry would have been champion in their era. We must look at the era at which they fought. Quarry era was much,much tougher that Braddock or Wilard.

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No, we don't. Braddock was never KO'd and stopped only once on cuts and they were fighting without chambered gloves at the time. He fought half his career with a broken hand. Quarry was KO'd 6 times. There is no way you can say Quarry was TOUGHER than Braddock.