Should Jerry Quarry be in the HOF?

[mrbig1]

Absolutely not. The HOF is reserved for the truely elite fighters; not people who fought the elite fighters.

Is it really? I mean, I see your point, but I'm sure that there's more than a few fighters in there who can't really be considered elite by any stretch of the imagination.

I would tend to agree with you Mr Uppercut, but HOF is probably already kinda watered down. so why not for Quarry? He is famous, and an integral part of the Golden Era.

Thank you. Let me add that the standerd has been set already by the HOF. With Braddock it's the story rather what he did in the ring. I'm going by what Quarry did in the ring against the very best in a era that was filled with very good fighters. Could Braddock beat Shavers,Lyle, or Foster? I don't think so.

[Jody Lane]

Absolutely not. The HOF is reserved for the truely elite fighters; not people who fought the elite fighters.

Is it really? I mean, I see your point, but I'm sure that there's more than a few fighters in there who can't really be considered elite by any stretch of the imagination.

I would tend to agree with you Mr Uppercut, but HOF is probably already kinda watered down. so why not for Quarry? He is famous, and an integral part of the Golden Era.

Thank you. Let me add that the standerd has been set already by the HOF. With Braddock it's the story rather what he did in the ring. I'm going by what Quarry did in the ring against the very best in a era that was filled with very good fighters. Could Braddock beat Shavers,Lyle, or Foster? I don't think so.

Not sure if Braddock could have beat those guys. Then again I don't remember them killing someone with a punch like Baer did. Baer in my mind was scarier than Mike Tyson. Not sure Baer would have beat Tyson, but if he fought Tyson before he killed a guy or two and started clowing around rather than really taking it out on guys it might have been a war.

[Lance Uppercut]

I agree that fighters have be accepted into the HOF that were not elite(i.e. Jess Willard) however, I dont think that we should should just lower the standard. Instead the boxing writers should be more vigilant not to let it happen again.

[Kev]

Is it really? I mean, I see your point, but I'm sure that there's more than a few fighters in there who can't really be considered elite by any stretch of the imagination.

I would tend to agree with you Mr Uppercut, but HOF is probably already kinda watered down. so why not for Quarry? He is famous, and an integral part of the Golden Era.

Thank you. Let me add that the standerd has been set already by the HOF. With Braddock it's the story rather what he did in the ring. I'm going by what Quarry did in the ring against the very best in a era that was filled with very good fighters. Could Braddock beat Shavers,Lyle, or Foster? I don't think so.

Not sure if Braddock could have beat those guys. Then again I don't remember them killing someone with a punch like Baer did. Baer in my mind was scarier than Mike Tyson. Not sure Baer would have beat Tyson, but if he fought Tyson before he killed a guy or two and started clowing around rather than really taking it out on guys it might have been a war.

Sadly you are referring to Baer the Ron Howard creation rather than the true Max Baer. A great fighter for sure but hardly scary like Tyson. His biggest failing was that he was a clown, too good natured and happy go lucky to really dedicate himself to the sport. The Max Baer in the Cinderella Man film never existed.

Back on point though Jerry Quarry is not a Hall of Fame fighter. If you put him in then you need to argue a case for Frank Bruno as he had two encounters with Tyson and fought Lewis and Witherspoon too.

What about George Chuvalo and Henry Cooper?

[Trainer Monkey]

Thank you. Let me add that the standerd has been set already by the HOF. With Braddock it's the story rather what he did in the ring. I'm going by what Quarry did in the ring against the very best in a era that was filled with very good fighters. Could Braddock beat Shavers,Lyle, or Foster? I don't think so.

Not sure if Braddock could have beat those guys. Then again I don't remember them killing someone with a punch like Baer did. Baer in my mind was scarier than Mike Tyson. Not sure Baer would have beat Tyson, but if he fought Tyson before he killed a guy or two and started clowing around rather than really taking it out on guys it might have been a war.

Sadly you are referring to Baer the Ron Howard creation rather than the true Max Baer. A great fighter for sure but hardly scary like Tyson. His biggest failing was that he was a clown, too good natured and happy go lucky to really dedicate himself to the sport. The Max Baer in the Cinderella Man film never existed.

Back on point though Jerry Quarry is not a Hall of Fame fighter. If you put him in then you need to argue a case for Frank Bruno as he had two encounters with Tyson and fought Lewis and Witherspoon too.

What about George Chuvalo and Henry Cooper?

Bruno Id consider,Chuvalo borderline,no on Cooper

[RozzySean]

Absolutely not. The HOF is reserved for the truely elite fighters; not people who fought the elite fighters.

Is it really? I mean, I see your point, but I'm sure that there's more than a few fighters in there who can't really be considered elite by any stretch of the imagination.

I would tend to agree with you Mr Uppercut, but HOF is probably already kinda watered down. so why not for Quarry? He is famous, and an integral part of the Golden Era.

Thank you. Let me add that the standerd has been set already by the HOF. With Braddock it's the story rather what he did in the ring. I'm going by what Quarry did in the ring against the very best in a era that was filled with very good fighters. Could Braddock beat Shavers,Lyle, or Foster? I don't think so.

Let's put his talent in perspective. Quarry fought in one of the great eras for HW, but Braddock fought in one of the most competitive eras for LHW's. Most of his losses happened during the period when his right hand was injured. At LWH, he had wins of Tuffy Griffiths and Pete Latzo. He lost to HoF's like Maxie Rosenblum and Tommy Loughran and lost a close fight to Lomsky (a quality fighter with a win over Maxie to his credit). After time off to heal his injury, where he developed his left hand, he came back to beat Corn Griffin on 48 hours notice after working on the docks for 9 months. He then beat two very good fighters in John Henry Lewis and Art Lasky. Based on these wins and Baer not being able to make a deal with for a rematch (who he beat) with Schmelling, Braddock gets a shot at Max Baer. Braddock beats Baer.

So Braddock beat a guy who beat Schmeling, who beat Joe Louis.

People don't give Braddock enough credit. If fought in an era when you fought every month or two and you fought injured. When healthy, he ate aggressive big punchers for lunch, even early in his career. He was always a good counterpuncher. Pure boxers, like Rosenblum and Loughran gave him trouble. He had one of the great chins of all time. In his losses, he lost only two by stoppage - one was because of a cut and the other was his last fight against Joe Louis. Quarry was stopped 6 times out of 9 losses. Once he developed his left, he had that nice run leading up to his championship.

Which heavyweight champ would you favor Quarry over? We know he lost to Ali, Foreman, and Frazier. Would he have beaten Paterson in his PRIME? Probably not. Liston? Marciano? Could he have beaten Max Baer? Shavers and Max Foster (Foster especially) would be taylor-made for Braddock.

Quarry is a top ten fighter in any era, but he would have never been undisputed champion. He could be a beltholder today or unified CW champ, today, but he just ain't HoF material.

[mrbig1]

To use that logic we should throw Willard and Braddock out of the HOF. The standard has been set. You can't unring a bell. I had Quarry beating Ellis in a very close fight. He is most noted for two losses to Ali which was the greatest champion of all time. Frazier loss to Ali and Foreman two times each. Does that mean he shouldn't be in the hall? The bottom line is we must look at the era in which he fought. To let other fighters in the hall with spoty records in a much weaker era is a crime.

[Trainer Monkey]

If I had a vote Id put him in,the guys he had to fight just to stay a top 5 fighter was insane,and while he lost some of those fights,he hung tough in every one

[Lance Uppercut]

I Quarry had 1 win over any of the great heavyweights of his era then I might say yes, but the fact remains that he lost every big fight.

[ICB]

No he lost every big fight.

[RozzySean]

To use that logic we should throw Willard and Braddock out of the HOF. The standard has been set. You can't unring a bell. I had Quarry beating Ellis in a very close fight. He is most noted for two losses to Ali which was the greatest champion of all time. Frazier loss to Ali and Foreman two times each. Does that mean he shouldn't be in the hall? The bottom line is we must look at the era in which he fought. To let other fighters in the hall with spoty records in a much weaker era is a crime.

Keep in mind as you read this that I'm talking about the Braddock that emerged from his days working on the docks. The other version is a different story (though still a quality fighter).

No, not really. Willard and Braddock actually won the undisputed championship. Quarry never did. I wouldn't like Quarry's chances against Max Baer. If you had a gun to my head and asked who has a better chance against Marciano, Quarry or Braddock, I would give Braddock the better chance, and heads up Quarry vs Braddock, I would pick Braddock.

Quarry also lost lots of other big fights, and he was beaten soundly by three totally different styles. It's not like one type of boxer was his downfall.

I give all love and respect to Quarry, I really do. He's a guy who really suffered for the lack of a cruiserweight division. Heavyweights were getting bigger at his time - most were 210-220 and he rarely came in at over 200. He would mop the floor with any of the current cruisers and the old CW's I can see beating him at CW are Toney and Holyfield.

Actually, if you going to make a case for Quarry in the hall, that is the best argument you can make. He was cursed with being a 'tweener (too big for LHW, too small for HW), but he made a great career staying in the top 5-10 for so long fighting bigger men.

[DaxxKahn]

I would vote yes, Jerry fought in the HW divisions golden era, he has quality wins, people tend to forget that in that particular era the CONTENDERS were heads above the champions of most any other era....

Jerry holds wins over guys like Floyd Patterson, first man to beat Ron Lyle, Earnie shavers to name a few,...he was a top notch fighter with huge heart

Also he was a big part of that eras history...

People tend to forget that the HOF is not just for champions and not only for the truly elite...The HOF is for fighters who gave to the sport more then others...Jerry gave all he had....He was in some important bouts...It is about fighters who played important parts of history...Jerry fit those criteria

[mrbig1]

I would vote yes, Jerry fought in the HW divisions golden era, he has quality wins, people tend to forget that in that particular era the CONTENDERS were heads above the champions of most any other era....

Jerry holds wins over guys like Floyd Patterson, first man to beat Ron Lyle, Earnie shavers to name a few,...he was a top notch fighter with huge heart

Also he was a big part of that eras history...

People tend to forget that the HOF is not just for champions and not only for the truly elite...The HOF is for fighters who gave to the sport more then others...Jerry gave all he had....He was in some important bouts...It is about fighters who played important parts of history...Jerry fit those criteria

Could not have said it better. It's time to put Jerry where he belongs. In the HOF.

[C-Lo]

Really? I never thought of Jerry Quarry as an elite fighter. More of someone who hung in there with the best.

I wonder how Quarry would be doing in today's heavyweight picture...

[Kev]

I would vote yes, Jerry fought in the HW divisions golden era, he has quality wins, people tend to forget that in that particular era the CONTENDERS were heads above the champions of most any other era....

Jerry holds wins over guys like Floyd Patterson, first man to beat Ron Lyle, Earnie shavers to name a few,...he was a top notch fighter with huge heart

Also he was a big part of that eras history...

People tend to forget that the HOF is not just for champions and not only for the truly elite...The HOF is for fighters who gave to the sport more then others...Jerry gave all he had....He was in some important bouts...It is about fighters who played important parts of history...Jerry fit those criteria

Not disagreeing with this but are there any Hall of Fame fighters who didn't win a world title? I'm talking post war here, not great black fighters like Sam Langford who never got a title shot in the old days on account of their colour.