Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
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I don't like the idea. I think boxers with their traniers are going to always try to gain an edge, and will always cut to make weight. Lessening the rehydration period I think would cause a lot of fighters to try and do it in the shorter period of time, and put themselves at more risk and be fighting in a more weakened state.
It is good in theory. In that it might force boxers to come in closer to fighting weight, but think it would cause many others to try and manipulate it and end up in harms way.
But if we can see what danger the fighter would be in from using the current procedure of cutting weight for the new rules of making weight, then surely the fighters and trainer can aswell.
It's surely the trainers job and the fighters job to make sure the fighter is comfortable with the weight so they should be held responsible.
Stevie Wonder can see that there will be no advantage to be gained from dehydrating yourself on the day of a fight.
I would imagine trainers would have to take some form of exam where they can show that they have knowledge of the dangers of using the various weight making procedures.
Sure they'll know the risk...but it doesn't mean they won't try to exploit it. I mean, c'mon...there is so much on the line between winning a fight and losing in the pros, many I believe would be willing to take the risks. So by allowing a rule to have a more extreme risk associated with it, you are not factoring a neccesary component when rule making imo, that being human nature.
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
If we had the same day weigh-ins, Sure you might see a few fools try to loose ten pounds and even a few will be able to achieve it and come in competitive. But boxing is better off keeping the playing field even because the practice of fighting at a lower weight will fade away. You wont get guys who are obviously two weight classes over fighting down. We often see those that do dominate a weight class. Paul Williams comes to mind. Guys that have matured their bodies will be forced to move up in class sooner because they can't make weight. If same day weigh-ins were already in place, Hatton / Pacquiao might have happened last year And we probably never would have seen a Dream Match. As far as a guy getting killed, at first I might be inclined to think it's dangeriuos because it's many fighters norm, but it's just too hard to do for most fighters. So I have to disagree....
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
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Originally Posted by
ono
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
I don't like the idea. I think boxers with their traniers are going to always try to gain an edge, and will always cut to make weight. Lessening the rehydration period I think would cause a lot of fighters to try and do it in the shorter period of time, and put themselves at more risk and be fighting in a more weakened state.
It is good in theory. In that it might force boxers to come in closer to fighting weight, but think it would cause many others to try and manipulate it and end up in harms way.
But if we can see what danger the fighter would be in from using the current procedure of cutting weight for the new rules of making weight, then surely the fighters and trainer can aswell.
It's surely the trainers job and the fighters job to make sure the fighter is comfortable with the weight so they should be held responsible.
Stevie Wonder can see that there will be no advantage to be gained from dehydrating yourself on the day of a fight.
I would imagine trainers would have to take some form of exam where they can show that they have knowledge of the dangers of using the various weight making procedures.
Sure they'll know the risk...but it doesn't mean they won't try to exploit it. I mean, c'mon...there is so much on the line between winning a fight and losing in the pros, many I believe would be willing to take the risks. So by allowing a rule to have a more extreme risk associated with it, you are not factoring a neccesary component when rule making imo, that being human nature.
I honestly don't think there is much to exploit though. Given the short time frame you're only going to gain a few lbs and dehydrating and draining yourself on the day of the fight for this debatable advantage is pointless.
Whether or not the fighter agrees is a different matter. It's obvious to me that a fighter would have 'the real edge' by coming at his fighting weight and being nutritionally prepared. Like you say though, it's human nature to explore other ways to gain an advantage - even if those ways are dangerous.
Problem is now, with the current weigh-ins some fighters are dehydrating themselves to a point where 1 day isn't long enough to re-hydrate. You're looking at 2-4 days depending on the degree of dehydration. It could be argued that the fighters are dehydrating to this degree because they feel a 24 hour window is plenty of time to re-fuel and rehydrate...which isn't always the case.
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
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Originally Posted by
ono
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
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Originally Posted by
ono
But if we can see what danger the fighter would be in from using the current procedure of cutting weight for the new rules of making weight, then surely the fighters and trainer can aswell.
It's surely the trainers job and the fighters job to make sure the fighter is comfortable with the weight so they should be held responsible.
Stevie Wonder can see that there will be no advantage to be gained from dehydrating yourself on the day of a fight.
I would imagine trainers would have to take some form of exam where they can show that they have knowledge of the dangers of using the various weight making procedures.
Sure they'll know the risk...but it doesn't mean they won't try to exploit it. I mean, c'mon...there is so much on the line between winning a fight and losing in the pros, many I believe would be willing to take the risks. So by allowing a rule to have a more extreme risk associated with it, you are not factoring a neccesary component when rule making imo, that being human nature.
I honestly don't think there is much to exploit though. Given the short time frame you're only going to gain a few lbs and dehydrating and draining yourself on the day of the fight for this debatable advantage is pointless.
Whether or not the fighter agrees is a different matter. It's obvious to me that a fighter would have 'the real edge' by coming at his fighting weight and being nutritionally prepared. Like you say though, it's human nature to explore other ways to gain an advantage - even if those ways are dangerous.
Problem is now, with the current weigh-ins some fighters are dehydrating themselves to a point where 1 day isn't long enough to re-hydrate. You're looking at 2-4 days depending on the degree of dehydration.
It could be argued that the fighters are dehydrating to this degree because they feel a 24 hour window is plenty of time to re-fuel and rehydrate...which isn't always the case.
I agree. And I think if anything was changed to keep it safer, it should be to lengthen the weigh in/rehydration process, not shorten it.
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
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Originally Posted by
ono
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
Sure they'll know the risk...but it doesn't mean they won't try to exploit it. I mean, c'mon...there is so much on the line between winning a fight and losing in the pros, many I believe would be willing to take the risks. So by allowing a rule to have a more extreme risk associated with it, you are not factoring a neccesary component when rule making imo, that being human nature.
I honestly don't think there is much to exploit though. Given the short time frame you're only going to gain a few lbs and dehydrating and draining yourself on the day of the fight for this debatable advantage is pointless.
Whether or not the fighter agrees is a different matter. It's obvious to me that a fighter would have 'the real edge' by coming at his fighting weight and being nutritionally prepared. Like you say though, it's human nature to explore other ways to gain an advantage - even if those ways are dangerous.
Problem is now, with the current weigh-ins some fighters are dehydrating themselves to a point where 1 day isn't long enough to re-hydrate. You're looking at 2-4 days depending on the degree of dehydration.
It could be argued that the fighters are dehydrating to this degree because they feel a 24 hour window is plenty of time to re-fuel and rehydrate...which isn't always the case.
I agree. And I think if anything was changed to keep it safer, it should be to lengthen the weigh in/rehydration process, not shorten it.
Yep,9 for 10 the promoter isnt going to pull the show,he's had to fly people in etc etc etc.
He wants his show,so he'll do whatever he can to make sure the fights still sanctioned. But he will pull a bunch of the fighters money for not being at weight,same days will only further encourage fighters to lose an unhealthy amount of weight in a hurry.
We really dont need to encourage going back to the old days of chewing tobacco and a spit cup while wearing a sauna suit.
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
Day before weigthins, are getting people Killed. More so than before it seems.
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
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Scrap
Day before weigthins, are getting people Killed. More so than before it seems.
This is what i believe aswell. 24 hours isn't long enough to rehydrate somebody effectively enough to compete for 12 hard rounds after a period of severe dehydration.
Go any longer on the window and the weigh in comes pointless.
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
...boxers taking advantage of the weigh in's to fight little guys will get someone killed. You take the risk to gain the advantage you take a chance...
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
Do we want to see Better Fighters or look at the work of better Scientist take your pick. ;D
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
what do folks propose?
How ever you work it people are going to try and work the system to get the most advantage over the other guy. I'm not suggesting we stop trying to improve safety.
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
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Scrap
Do we want to see Better Fighters or look at the work of better Scientist take your pick. ;D
Both.:cool:
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
Heres something to think about, which weight class has the seriuos KOs which weightclass get hit the Hardest. Which weightclass has the least serious injurys, the question is WHY. :rolleyes:
Re: Same day weigh ins will get people killed
I can see how same day weigh ins might make it more dangerous for guys cutting a load of weight to try and fight in a weight class they are too big for but to be honest I think that's fair enough.
Is it really fair that some of these massive wiry type guys can get be allowed to get down to a weightclass where they will be fighting much smaller men and then having the benefit of rehydrating with a 14 lb fight night weight advantage.
My attititude is that this makes the sport safer for the little guy, or more accurately the guy who is in his natural weight class and is fighting someone who really shouldn't be fighting in the division at all.
My biggest concern with same day weigh ins would not be fighter safety (fight in your own damn weight class you cowards!) but rather the fact that many more fights might get pulled on the morning of the fight becuase one fighter doesn't make the limit :-\
