Same day weigh ins will get people killed

[Youngblood]

But if we can see what danger the fighter would be in from using the current procedure of cutting weight for the new rules of making weight, then surely the fighters and trainer can aswell.

It's surely the trainers job and the fighters job to make sure the fighter is comfortable with the weight so they should be held responsible.

Stevie Wonder can see that there will be no advantage to be gained from dehydrating yourself on the day of a fight.

I would imagine trainers would have to take some form of exam where they can show that they have knowledge of the dangers of using the various weight making procedures.

Sure they'll know the risk...but it doesn't mean they won't try to exploit it. I mean, c'mon...there is so much on the line between winning a fight and losing in the pros, many I believe would be willing to take the risks. So by allowing a rule to have a more extreme risk associated with it, you are not factoring a neccesary component when rule making imo, that being human nature.

I honestly don't think there is much to exploit though. Given the short time frame you're only going to gain a few lbs and dehydrating and draining yourself on the day of the fight for this debatable advantage is pointless.

Whether or not the fighter agrees is a different matter. It's obvious to me that a fighter would have 'the real edge' by coming at his fighting weight and being nutritionally prepared. Like you say though, it's human nature to explore other ways to gain an advantage - even if those ways are dangerous.

Problem is now, with the current weigh-ins some fighters are dehydrating themselves to a point where 1 day isn't long enough to re-hydrate. You're looking at 2-4 days depending on the degree of dehydration. It could be argued that the fighters are dehydrating to this degree because they feel a 24 hour window is plenty of time to re-fuel and rehydrate...which isn't always the case.

I agree. And I think if anything was changed to keep it safer, it should be to lengthen the weigh in/rehydration process, not shorten it.

[Trainer Monkey]

Sure they'll know the risk...but it doesn't mean they won't try to exploit it. I mean, c'mon...there is so much on the line between winning a fight and losing in the pros, many I believe would be willing to take the risks. So by allowing a rule to have a more extreme risk associated with it, you are not factoring a neccesary component when rule making imo, that being human nature.

I honestly don't think there is much to exploit though. Given the short time frame you're only going to gain a few lbs and dehydrating and draining yourself on the day of the fight for this debatable advantage is pointless.

Whether or not the fighter agrees is a different matter. It's obvious to me that a fighter would have 'the real edge' by coming at his fighting weight and being nutritionally prepared. Like you say though, it's human nature to explore other ways to gain an advantage - even if those ways are dangerous.

Problem is now, with the current weigh-ins some fighters are dehydrating themselves to a point where 1 day isn't long enough to re-hydrate. You're looking at 2-4 days depending on the degree of dehydration. It could be argued that the fighters are dehydrating to this degree because they feel a 24 hour window is plenty of time to re-fuel and rehydrate...which isn't always the case.

I agree. And I think if anything was changed to keep it safer, it should be to lengthen the weigh in/rehydration process, not shorten it.

Yep,9 for 10 the promoter isnt going to pull the show,he's had to fly people in etc etc etc.
He wants his show,so he'll do whatever he can to make sure the fights still sanctioned. But he will pull a bunch of the fighters money for not being at weight,same days will only further encourage fighters to lose an unhealthy amount of weight in a hurry.
We really dont need to encourage going back to the old days of chewing tobacco and a spit cup while wearing a sauna suit.

[Scrap]

Day before weigthins, are getting people Killed. More so than before it seems.

[ono]

Day before weigthins, are getting people Killed. More so than before it seems.

This is what i believe aswell. 24 hours isn't long enough to rehydrate somebody effectively enough to compete for 12 hard rounds after a period of severe dehydration.

Go any longer on the window and the weigh in comes pointless.

[Mar]

...boxers taking advantage of the weigh in's to fight little guys will get someone killed. You take the risk to gain the advantage you take a chance...

[Scrap]

Do we want to see Better Fighters or look at the work of better Scientist take your pick.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

what do folks propose?

How ever you work it people are going to try and work the system to get the most advantage over the other guy. I'm not suggesting we stop trying to improve safety.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Do we want to see Better Fighters or look at the work of better Scientist take your pick.

Both.