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I don't see Ricky winning this fight.. Didn't we basically see the same fight with Margarito/Cotto? Except Ricky isn't as big, has smaller arms and less power?
Definitely quicker feet, but c'mon, we saw how many times Cotto landed at WILL on Margarito. I don't see Ricky withstanding that type of beating over 8-9 rounds.
At 147 Hatton gets stopped within 6 Cotto to big and strong.At 140 i fink it favours Hatton imo but doubt Cotto can'nt make that weight now.Dont think Cotto would be willing to do a catch weight when there is big fights at welterweight still.
i don't think cotto will ever fight at 140 againQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
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Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
If Hatton wins against Pac, Cotto vs Hatton may happen at 140.:cool:
It's not gonna happen at 140. Cotto would surgically dismantle Hatton at 147.
Let's watch how Hatton murders Pac first, eh Trev?Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
We wont see Cotto down at 140 again he was poor against Paulie Malignaggi at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott22i don't think cotto will ever fight at 140 againQuote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
If Hatton wins against Pac, Cotto vs Hatton may happen at 140.:cool:
Well see. Pac destroyed your beloved MAB twice, and now he's about to destroy your homeboy Hatton too. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milesLet's watch how Hatton murders Pac first, eh Trev?Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
I'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair to Hatton he was ill on fight night against Urango. He had a chest infection the week of the fight. There was an interview a few days before the fight and he looked and sounded like shit. IMO he shouldn't have fought, plus Urango is a decent puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
At 147 there would be no point but at a catch weight i think it's 50-50. At 140 i think the weight drain and Hatton's work-rate would be far too big a hurdle for Cotto to overcome.
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
Let's see how Hatton looks in his next couple of fights. I've a feeling the Cotto fight won't be so distant.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair to Hatton he was ill on fight night against Urango. He had a chest infection the week of the fight. There was an interview a few days before the fight and he looked and sounded like shit. IMO he shouldn't have fought, plus Urango is a decent puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
At 147 there would be no point but at a catch weight i think it's 50-50. At 140 i think the weight drain and Hatton's work-rate would be far too big a hurdle for Cotto to overcome.
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
You say Hatton should fight at 147 and Cotto should'nt go to 140.Hatton isnt big enough for 147 so Cotto would be beating up a Light welter would'nt he,Cotto is to big for lightwelter,simple if it happens it should be on a level playing ground do it at a catch weight 143/144.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair to Hatton he was ill on fight night against Urango. He had a chest infection the week of the fight. There was an interview a few days before the fight and he looked and sounded like shit. IMO he shouldn't have fought, plus Urango is a decent puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
At 147 there would be no point but at a catch weight i think it's 50-50. At 140 i think the weight drain and Hatton's work-rate would be far too big a hurdle for Cotto to overcome.
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
I don't think Hatton should go to 147 to fight anybody, least of all Cotto. However, making Cotto come down to a weight where he was so weight-drained that Paulie Malignaggi was wobbling him is ludicrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifYou say Hatton should fight at 147 and Cotto should'nt go to 140.Hatton isnt big enough for 147 so Cotto would be beating up a Light welter would'nt he,Cotto is to big for lightwelter,simple if it happens it should be on a level playing ground do it at a catch weight 143/144.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
I am of the opinion that this fight shouldn't happen at all, but if it does, it should definitely take place at, or very near, 147. I don't see why Hatton should get any credit if he beats a weight-drained and ineffective version of Cotto. Why should Cotto have to come down in weight? While I have no doubt that a fight with Hatton (provided he doesn't get absolutely destroyed by Pac) would make a lot of money, Cotto is a huge draw by himself and there are some big fights to be made at 147 that, in my opinion, negate the benefits of hurting his body and perhaps his career by dropping weight to an unsafe level to take on a very good opponent.
My sentiments exactly. A shame that there isn't a weight where it would be competitive, since Ricky has shown he does not belong in the same ring with Cotto at 147... but in boxing 7 pounds is a world of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair to Hatton he was ill on fight night against Urango. He had a chest infection the week of the fight. There was an interview a few days before the fight and he looked and sounded like shit. IMO he shouldn't have fought, plus Urango is a decent puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
At 147 there would be no point but at a catch weight i think it's 50-50. At 140 i think the weight drain and Hatton's work-rate would be far too big a hurdle for Cotto to overcome.
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
What is with these weight limits and catch weights? I just don't get it when people say Hatton is not the same at welterweight. Maybe he is not as sharp at 147 but he doesn't have to weigh exactly at 147. If the diet and training of making 140 makes him the best he can possibly then why not train like a junior welter. If he's a couple of pounds over 140 he'll still be a welterweight. In that way he will be at his best shape during weigh-ins and at fight night the weight would be pretty much the same with Cotto as Ricky gains 13-15 lbs.
Or you folks think the other way around? do you think this welters are too big for Ricky that's why they have to shed some muscles to make it a more even fight? That's just not right..I think it's just an unfair and unreasonable thing to do.,Ricky has a 7 pound margin to work with. If he wants he can drop all the way down to 140 and eat a box of pizza before the weigh-in cuz he's gonna feast himself with food after it anyway. But for Cotto to starve himself is just unfair. He wouldn't be the same fighter.
I think the best Ricky against best Cotto is a helluva match. Both has KO power but I give Cotto the advantage because he has a good jab to keep Ricky at bay.
He doesn't necessarily have to weigh 147. Again like what I said he has a margin of 7 pounds to work with. That's why there is no rule that a fighter should weigh exactly as what the limit says. It all evens out at fight night anyway. I think the problem with Ricky is that when the weight is easier to reach he would slack off. He looks sloppy, he's not that sharp.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifYou say Hatton should fight at 147 and Cotto should'nt go to 140.Hatton isnt big enough for 147 so Cotto would be beating up a Light welter would'nt he,Cotto is to big for lightwelter,simple if it happens it should be on a level playing ground do it at a catch weight 143/144.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'd forgotten that Hatton was ill, but Urango was still buckling him with body shots, and I'd wager that Cotto hits significantly harder than Urango. Collazo also had him badly hurt at 147. I'm a Hatton fan, but I don't see any way he beats Cotto at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Is there any real point in this fight occurring at 140? If Hatton needs Cotto to be badly weight-drained for him to have a chance, what's that point? It would be absolutely pathetic IMO and I would hope that pundits and fans would heap scathing criticism on the fight for that reason. Why not fight at 147 and only let Cotto throw with his left hand or something like that, he'd be just as handicapped as he would be fighting at 140.
Why not train as hard as he does at 140? and I thin he should chow on 7 pounds of cheesesteak before the weigh in to shut the 'narrow minded' fans who would surely say he overtrained or he came in too small.
Good point.. This is what Mayweather did against Oscar.. he weighed in at 149 or 150 for the 154 limit.. just because you're moving up doesn't mean you have to meet the limit.. Granted if you are a fighter with a decent enough sized frame that you can gain some muscle and use it to your advantage, then that's what you would want to do.. but the smaller guys who need speed, have to be smart about it. YES, you're fighting someone who is probably in general a bit bigger than you, but bulking up and losing speed is not the way to put yourself in the best position to win the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_PRODIGY
I'd say the lowest Cotto would ever go would be 145 for a catchweight.. That would be more than reasonable i would think.. You would still hear the Hatton fans saying, "Hatton just wasn't big enough!! Give him a break" As if the entire universe didn't know that BEFORE the fight..