Re: I can see the future!!! Klitschko-Haye
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ElTerribleMorales
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porkypara
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ElTerribleMorales
when David Haye's head gets knocked off are you gonna admit that Wlad is better than Haye? and then not go downplay Wlad's win?
remember that Wlad didn't have to take this fight, there are plenty of other fighters that have a more significant role at heavy
Ruslan Chagaev (WBA)
Nikolay Valuev (WBA)
Chris Arreola
Alexander Povetkin
Eddie Chambers
Lets be honest.The names above dont mean very much to boxing fans and even less to Joe Public.
If Klitschko wins then I will accept that he is the better boxer and I made the wrong pick.
Its not like I make Haye a big favorate about 60/40 but I thinks its a fight he can win.
Howerver the other brother might be a fight to far for Haye but we will get a better idea after this fight.
well i know of plenty people that want to see either Klitschko fight Valuev, and also that would clear up the division a hell of a lot more, and i still stand by that W. Klitschko Vs Arreola would be a bigger fight
Klit v Valuev you serious?? Id rather watch paint dry, and as you thinking Arreola v Klit is the bigger fight how the hell do you work that out?? Klit fighting Haye was made by sacraficing fighting Arreola, Arreola Klit is nowhere near as big a fight.
Oh and Klit is such this brave man who could off fought so many other meaningful fights, whats with all these pathetic terms and rematches then with Haye?
Im no Haye fan but this is easily the biggest fight out there at heavyweight.
Re: I can see the future!!! Klitschko-Haye
So skel, you would NOT want to see Valuev get KO'd?!?!
As for the terms and rematch clauses, who's taking the risk here? David Haye is going to be making good money even if he did get shafted on the contract, but Wladimir is risking his titles and standing in the division to fight someone who has little experience at heavyweight and who has already been KO'd by an ancient cruiserweight....David Haye could be the best heavyweight out there but his record does leave doubts as to the extent of his skill and were Wladimir to lose to him it would stir up numerous doubts about his standing in the division.
This isn't the first time rematch clauses have been used, maybe the first that involved brothers but this is the first time two brothers have run the division. Are you telling me if Haye was to beat Wladimir that a fight with Vitali would not make sense and given Vitali's age and occasional health problems that an immediate fight between Haye and Vitali would be a bad thing???
This fight may be big right now but had Haye fought oh, I don't know a REAL contender and scored an impressive KO, then I certainly would be more worried about Wlad's chances, but right now it's as I said: If Haye wins then Wlad is a bum and if Wlad loses then Wlad is a bum and Haye is the greatest ever......it's lose-lose for Wladimir no matter how the fight ends, until he gets paid of course
Re: I can see the future!!! Klitschko-Haye
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Lyle
So skel, you would NOT want to see Valuev get KO'd?!?!
As for the terms and rematch clauses, who's taking the risk here? David Haye is going to be making good money even if he did get shafted on the contract, but Wladimir is risking his titles and standing in the division to fight someone who has little experience at heavyweight and who has already been KO'd by an ancient cruiserweight....David Haye could be the best heavyweight out there but his record does leave doubts as to the extent of his skill and were Wladimir to lose to him it would stir up numerous doubts about his standing in the division.
This isn't the first time rematch clauses have been used, maybe the first that involved brothers but this is the first time two brothers have run the division. Are you telling me if Haye was to beat Wladimir that a fight with Vitali would not make sense and given Vitali's age and occasional health problems that an immediate fight between Haye and Vitali would be a bad thing???
This fight may be big right now but had Haye fought oh, I don't know a REAL contender and scored an impressive KO, then I certainly would be more worried about Wlad's chances, but right now it's as I said: If Haye wins then Wlad is a bum and if Wlad loses then Wlad is a bum and Haye is the greatest ever......it's lose-lose for Wladimir no matter how the fight ends, until he gets paid of course
I agree with most you say Lyle and of course if Haye beat Wlad,obviously we would all want to see Vitali, but yes Haye is probably getting the biggest pay day ever and is getting a shot at an early stage of his heavyweight career. I think Wlad made the demands he has which i feel is over the top to be honest,becuase he has doubts even though the natural direction would probably be Vitali after the fight, but i think people forget that Haye was undisputed 200 Lb champion, hes not a nobody that has come from nowhere.
Also yes Lyle i would like to see Valuev get ko'd but can you honestly say you would rather see Wlad fight Valuev rather than Haye?
Re: I can see the future!!! Klitschko-Haye
I was extremly against haye in the onset but for every reason i've heard that Wlad will win i've also heard scenerios where haye can win as well, it's not like either guy hasn't shown in the past the ability to be taken out. If someone made a picture thingy exactly reverse of the one above i'd sorta agree with it as well probably, i just can't wait for the fight. I started off thinking it would just be haye getting his big mouth and ass kicked but now i just don't know i mean haye is going to give every god damn freakin thing he can in this thing cause he knows after all the talk and crap that this is his only shot at being taken serious , a loss and no one will belive any of the garbage that spews out of his mouth against future opponets and i just think wlad hasn't seen that from any of his opponets no matter what size in years. If he can withstand the intital wave there's no way haye with his horrible stamina will win a decsion but i'm just not thinking it's gonna last that long.
Re: I can see the future!!! Klitschko-Haye
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Also yes Lyle i would like to see Valuev get ko'd but can you honestly say you would rather see Wlad fight Valuev rather than Haye?
For the sake of the sport and the integrity of the heavyweight division YES. I would love to see each Klitschko brother hold 2 belts and eventually have Vitali retire and Wladimir hold all 4 belts.
However the timing isn't right currently and I welcome a fight with David Haye, but I just don't think David is ready and looking at Cris Arreola on the scales, I just think this fight could have been built up better....but it is what it is and I just hope that people can look past whatever they think about the actual contracts and just be happy that the fight got made.
