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Whoever lands the first powershot that the other guy doesn't see coming. I have no doubt that Froch can spark Pavlik, but I'm also sure Pavlik can spark Froch. Both men are great finishers. Not that Pavlik has great defense, but it's better than Froch's. Froch is the bigger man. It's pretty much a pickem.
Pavlik by ko.Pavlik will work behind a solid jab then a straight right that will hit Froch all night.
Be a exciting fight but Froch will get finished off this time if he gets hurt as Pavlik is a much better finisher than Taylor.
This is a bit of a pick'em fight for me. Although Froch would be big for him, and we all saw how much he failed against a bigger guy in hopkins, I think Pavlik would land straight shots all night on Froch, and would probably throw alot more shots than Taylor.
Further, Froch definately has the power to stop him before the mid rounds though as Pavlik is one of the most stand up straight, no movement kind of guys out there so he wouldn't be hard to hit and nowhere near as hard to pin down as Taylor was. This will be a fun fight if it comes off, and probably more a battle of will and toe to toe punches rather than a boxing match for the purists.
Would love to see this fight. Although would like to see Froch beat a couple of genuine Super Mids....
Pavlik has a big right hand. Thudding, lethal power. He has a 90% KO ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
that alone is a bit of an absurd comment, seeing how Froch barely made it out of the 3rd himself, at least Pavlik was dropped early on in the round and managed to survive to then go on and stop Taylor, Froch had bout 30 seconds left in the round and Taylor didn't jump on himQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by clintuk
Sorry this is absurd. How is Pavliks chin more proven than Froch's when they were both floored by the same guy?
And Pavlik was hurt far more than Froch was, he barely made it out of the third round.
i'd say it's the type of fight that either man can win, Froch and Pavlik alike are both open to the right hand, but mostly overhand rights, neither man really has an overhand right, i'd give Froch the slight edge cause he has a good upper and he could land it on Pavlik while in close, but i'd have to gie Pavlik the slight edge in power and accuracy
Is froch really the bigger man? Pavlik is definitely taller, and has the reach advantage.. Are we talking bigger as in who has the broader shoulders? lol.. I'd say if anything they are pretty even, if not Kelly being bigger.. Froch is just way more ripped.. As far as power goes, no doubt in my mind that Kelly can bang at 168.. he was a KO machine at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Pavlik has a big STRAIGHT right hand, he shoots it down the pipe, Taylor was landing the OVERHAND right, Pavlik doesn't really have an overhand rightQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratPavlik has a big right hand. Thudding, lethal power. He has a 90% KO ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat alone is a bit of an absurd comment, seeing how Froch barely made it out of the 3rd himself, at least Pavlik was dropped early on in the round and managed to survive to then go on and stop Taylor, Froch had bout 30 seconds left in the round and Taylor didn't jump on himQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
i'd say it's the type of fight that either man can win, Froch and Pavlik alike are both open to the right hand, but mostly overhand rights, neither man really has an overhand right, i'd give Froch the slight edge cause he has a good upper and he could land it on Pavlik while in close, but i'd have to gie Pavlik the slight edge in power and accuracy
Froch
I thought Froch looked like the much bigger man against Taylor. Pavlik looked taller and longer than Taylor, but he didn't look like the much bigger man. I believe Kelly is taller, but I think the reach is about the same. I feel like Froch is a little thicker. He's not bigger my much.Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33Is froch really the bigger man? Pavlik is definitely taller, and has the reach advantage.. Are we talking bigger as in who has the broader shoulders? lol.. I'd say if anything they are pretty even, if not Kelly being bigger.. Froch is just way more ripped.. As far as power goes, no doubt in my mind that Kelly can bang at 168.. he was a KO machine at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
If I were Froch's team I would keep him out of the ring with Pavlik unless the money is off the charts good. I don't think it would be. I don't see that as a PPV card. It's just a really good, very desirable HBO Championship Boxing card. If Ward beats Miranda, Froch will probably fight Ward next, maybe Allen Green. If he can't pull of Bute, those are pretty good options.
Well have to go with Pavlik think he is a better version of Froch. Chins in my book are the same on both to me but i would have to give advantge to Kelly in Power and better def i mean he was picking alot of Taylor shot off. Some people are going to say why i would think Pavlik hits harder well look at the ko differents in there fights i mean Pavlik just knocks the guys out cold and sure he did not do it in the rematch wit Taylor but i thought he won that fight pretty solid and hell Taylor might beat Froch in a rematch. Pretty much comes down to i think that Pavlik while land first and also i that if Pavlik can pick off Taylors shots then he can pick off Froches shots as well.
Whichever one of them decides to go out and get a good trainer who can teach them how to use their feet properly will win the fight. I think that would more likely be Pavlik because Arum is keen to get Loew out of the way.
Froch took complete advantage of Taylor not being able to finish the fight on his feet. Pavlik on the other hand would not gass out like that, perhaps even get stronger as the fight progressed.
Hopkins had Pavlik in trouble because Hopkins is a defensive mastermind and countered at the right times. Froch is not like Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
Mate, forget the level of opposition. Obviously that's a factor when it comes to assessing relative boxing skill etc but when it comes to getting hit on the chin the power in the punch is more important than the guy's boxrec page.Quote:
Originally Posted by clintukOk, I realise that sounds silly, but I just meant in the way that he's been hit more times by more world class opposition than Froch has and more often than not has still come out on top. Carl can't, at the moment, claim to have taken on the opposition Pavlik has. But it'd still be a very competitive fight I reckon, if there's any way it can happen at the moment with Abraham pulling at Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by clintuk
Sorry this is absurd. How is Pavliks chin more proven than Froch's when they were both floored by the same guy?
And Pavlik was hurt far more than Froch was, he barely made it out of the third round.
Watch his fights and look at the punches that hit him. :)
Froch's problem is that we've got too good an idea of how good his chin is... the fucker blocks punches with his chin half the time.
Like I've said, fair enough when talking about his boxing skill and future prospects obviously the guy's records are going to come into it but you just have to look at the bloke to see that his chin is at worst solid and that he's extremely well conditioned (and fuck me he needs to be!!) and not boxrec.
And yeah Rozzy, Froch looked bigger. Much thicker legs (Taylor's calves looked almost non existent compared to Froch) and a much wider back span.
Good post, Froch has got all of the physical attributes to be the man at SMW but if he wants to maintain his success/have any type of longevity at this level he needs someone who can tighten his style up and give him a bit more ring generalship.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I don't know how well Pavlik would do at 168, I don't think he's the same fighter above 160. It'd be a hell of a fight though and another close one.
I would probably go with Pavlick on this one as he doesn't seem to blow out later as a fight progresses. BHOP was all wriong style wise for him and as a result he looked terrible . Him and Froch would be more of a slugfest and I would have Pavlick edging it. I would expect a couple of knock downs on the way too.
Froch showed what he was made of coming back the way he did and has gained more repect from some , myself included.
Someone mentioned the physical size of Froch and yes he does look much bigger, Pavlick doesn't look much but musculature doesn't always amount to being stronger, as for JT calf muscles it's well known that black athletes do not generally have good calves, look at Tysons and his small ankles !!