Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
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Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I consider this fight as a tune-up fight for PBF
Just when I think your starting to become a bit more neutral and more of a fan of the sport itself and not just Pac or PI boxers you post this.
Any little way to take a stab at JMM and downgrade him from his stature.
Pac is #1 P4P and until he is beaten he will remain #1 isn't that enough now for Pac fans to be at ease and just move on and be a bit more neutral?
You would think right, but no. The initials JMM, or the name Marquez is such a big threat that any opp. to belittle him and push him away from Pacs P4P place is taken and pushed to the fullest.
JMM a tune up fight.
So in turn you are saying that if Pac faces SSM or Cotto they will be tune up fights for Pac?
Boxer (cause you really don't deserve to be called the 1st part of your name) you have for now fallen back into my troll list.
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
mainly due to fact that it's PBF's 1st fight after a year and a half in retirement, PBF will be the heavy favorite and PBF has all the advantages in this fight.
These things don't make a fight a tune up fight.
Curious to know where you got this info. from or could you go deeper into this as I would like to understand your brilliant boxing knowledge in regards to Tune Up fights.
I'm all ears :ears: whenever you are ready.
(You don't have to answer right away, you can think it through and if needed take a day or so to work out a reply)
I clearly stated why I consider this a tune-up fight... It maybe weird having the no. 2 P4P boxer as a tune-up fight but that's my opinion for this fight...
- 1st fight after a long layoff is usually considered a tune-up fight...
- PBF open up as a solid -380 favorite, it's almost a 4 to 1 favorite. You are a heavy favorite in your tune-up fight...
- I consider PBF having all the advantages, does JMM has any advantage? You choose your tune-up opponent where you have all the advantages and expected to win your tune-up fight...
Regarding PAC facing SSM or Cotto, I didn't say anything that it will be a tune-up... One thing is sure tho, PAC will always have at least 1 advantage over these boxers...
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Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
I consider Tyson: McNeely a tune up fight.
I consider Hatton: Lazcano a tune up fight.
I consider Cotto: Jennings a tune up fight.
Like Mick is saying, this is a little bit more than a tune up fight. PBF is playing all the cards in terms of making sure he has the advantages, but fighting JMM is no mere tune up.
Marquez has his back to the wall in this, but I really hope he manages to shock the world. I'm not making any predictions though because Bilbo says I'm the new Teddy Atlas, so I will stay away from that...:(:p
Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
It's my principle not to totally write off a boxer... I've given Hatton 1% chance to defeat PAC when the odds of that fight was almost 3 to 1 in favor of PAC...
PBF is enjoying an almost 4 to 1 favorite status and I give JMM 1% chance of winning...
I don't think JMM can outsmart, overpower, or outbox PBF... They're similar in style that mainly focuses on counterpunching... PBF is a faster, bigger and better version of JMM...
It's a tune-up fight for me... but who knows, there were upsets that happened in tune-up fights...
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Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
I give credit to Floyd for taking this fight. I see him winning by UD, but think JMM is a legitimate threat.
Floyd is most entertaining fighting at 140 or under. He's not a true welter IMO and should the fight the best at 140 or stay retire.
I don't think it will be a boring fight because Floyd feels like, and is, the slightly bigger man. When he has the size advantage he actually walks/side-skips down his opponent instead of running like he does against the bigger guys.
I think Floyd wins but i think his overconfidence will get him uglied up doing it.
Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
Both boxers are not in their primes.
Fights to consider.
Mayweather vs ODLH (before he gassed) / vs Castillo I (several people gave that to Castillo)
JMM vs Chris John :-\
Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
It's my principle not to totally write off a boxer... I've given Hatton 1% chance to defeat PAC when the odds of that fight was almost 3 to 1 in favor of PAC...
PBF is enjoying an almost 4 to 1 favorite status and I give JMM 1% chance of winning...
I don't think JMM can outsmart, overpower, or outbox PBF... They're similar in style that mainly focuses on counterpunching... PBF is a faster, bigger and better version of JMM...
It's a tune-up fight for me... but who knows, there were upsets that happened in tune-up fights...
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If JMM beats Mayweather, it will only be a minor upset in my eyes, not a huge one by any means.
As you have seen yourself, JMM is incredibly smart and knows how to find a way to win any fight. Floyd has weaknesses also. Last going off he has become more lazy in the ring and more defensive instead of offensive. He was able to let Ricky pound on his gloves for a few rounds to tire him out, but JMM will find a way to break through his defense. I have no question in my mind about that.
JMM will have to somehow make Floyd's counters miss in this fight to win it though. Floyd is bigger than him and will most likely have enough power to hurt JMM and cut him up.
If Floyd does win this, it will be hard fought. I have no question in my mind about that. If he comes in taking JMM lightly at all, he will lose.
-Does Floyd still have that desire that he used to?
-Does Floyd still have the reflexes that he used to?
-Does Floyd still have the heart to continue fighting if JMM hurts him?
To me those are the real questions surrounding the fight. I know that even going up in weight that JMM will still bring most of his game.
Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
Both boxers are not in their primes.
Fights to consider.
Mayweather vs ODLH (before he gassed) / vs Castillo I (several people gave that to Castillo)
JMM vs Chris John :-\
Or maybe even Marquez vs. Gainer....:-X
finger snap ...no he didnt ;D
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Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
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Originally Posted by
belakbox
I give credit to Floyd for taking this fight. I see him winning by UD, but think JMM is a legitimate threat.
Floyd is most entertaining fighting at 140 or under. He's not a true welter IMO and should the fight the best at 140 or stay retire.
I don't think it will be a boring fight because Floyd feels like, and is, the slightly bigger man. When he has the size advantage he actually walks/side-skips down his opponent instead of running like he does against the bigger guys.
I think Floyd wins but i think his overconfidence will get him uglied up doing it.
Other than Oscar, when has PBF fought bigger guys? Guys with 2-3 inches of height and reach on him and that come into the ring weighing more. It's not a rhetorical question. I'm curious as to when.
PBF has every advantage in this fight. I don't see how JMM wins. 4-1 odds are fair. JMM deserves the coin. He'll finally be paid super elite fighter money. Good for him.
Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
I posted a topic more or less about these issues concerning the PBF and JMM fight, strangely, it get deleted, and I say strangely because it didn't contain anything scornful or vindicative. The thing that worries me about this fight is that I fear that the attraction of a potential PBF-PAcman will lure the judges to favor PBF for the rounds that might be tight, which would totally be unfair for a guy who's been overlooked and avoided as often as possible. Now, something that I would love to know (as I stated before in the deleted thread): What kind of ring size will they use and what kind of gloves? Winning gloves that will neutralize a part of JMM's strenght advantage to the profit of Floyd? An overzize ring that will allow PbF to dance anf to give as space as possible to avoid the fight or something more reasonable? Anybody has infos about these crucial details?
Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
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- 1st fight after a long layoff is usually considered a tune-up fight...
No, a tune up fight is vs a guy that has almost no possibility in winning at all. Remember David Diaz vs Pac? That is a tune-up fight. Floyd fighting the guy that "beat" Pac twice doesn't sound much like a tune-up to me.
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PBF open up as a solid -380 favorite, it's almost a 4 to 1 favorite. You are a heavy favorite in your tune-up fight...
Are you saying that Hatton was a tune-up fight for Pac?
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One thing is sure tho, PAC will always have at least 1 advantage over these boxers...
For you, many Filipinos, and PacFanBoys Pac will ALWAYS have more advantages vs ANYBODY who dares himself to get in the ring with Pac.
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It's my principle not to totally write off a boxer... I've given Hatton 1% chance to defeat PAC
*deep sigh*
Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
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Taeth
Sorry who is faster than Floyd that he has foughten? Pacquiao is fast, but Mayweather is a little faster because he has the same handspeed, but he isn't out of position after he throws something, nor are there openings which IMO means he is taking speed off to maintain perfect coordination.
I guess if anybody can step right back into form after over 1.5 years since their last fight, it will be PBF. Still historically, ring rust effects boxers who use their reflexes and skill, much more than power punchers. Then again, PBF enjoys the size advantage and JMM starts slow, so maybe that balances out in PBF's favor. Still, I think it's a possibility that PBF will try to do things that he used to be able to do, only to be slightly off. At this level, that's all it will take for JMM to capitalize.
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SaddoBoxer
I don't think JMM can outsmart, overpower, or outbox PBF... They're similar in style that mainly focuses on counterpunching... PBF is a faster, bigger and better version of JMM...
Other than both liking to counter punch how are they similar? I see them as totally different fighters. JMM is so very conventional, yet at an elite level, verses PBF's slick and improvisational, although still technically sound, style.
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Nameless
Now, something that I would love to know (as I stated before in the deleted thread): What kind of ring size will they use and what kind of gloves? Winning gloves that will neutralize a part of JMM's strenght advantage to the profit of Floyd?
How do you see JMM having the strength advantage?
I think if this fight was at 145 or higher and PBF hadn't had such a long lay off, PBF would just about be a complete no brainer to win. But that's not the case. I still favor him, but those factors in JMM's favor have to be taken into account.
Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
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Chino
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- 1st fight after a long layoff is usually considered a tune-up fight...
No, a tune up fight is vs a guy that has almost no possibility in winning at all. Remember David Diaz vs Pac? That is a tune-up fight. Floyd fighting the guy that "beat" Pac twice doesn't sound much like a tune-up to me.
Isn't it 1% chance same as "almost no possibility in winning" ??
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Chino
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PBF open up as a solid -380 favorite, it's almost a 4 to 1 favorite. You are a heavy favorite in your tune-up fight...
Are you saying that Hatton was a tune-up fight for Pac?
It's not a tune-up, PAC is only 3 to 1 favorite (started at 2 to 1) while PBF is a 4 to 1 favorite over JMM...
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Originally Posted by
Chino
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One thing is sure tho, PAC will always have at least 1 advantage over these boxers...
For you, many Filipinos, and PacFanBoys Pac will ALWAYS have more advantages vs ANYBODY who dares himself to get in the ring with Pac.
You're overblowing it... I only said at least 1 advantage and that advantage most probably be the speed...
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Originally Posted by
Chino
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It's my principle not to totally write off a boxer... I've given Hatton 1% chance to defeat PAC
*deep sigh*
Is it a sigh of relief?? ;)
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Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
Both boxers are not in their primes.
Fights to consider.
Mayweather vs ODLH (before he gassed) / vs Castillo I (several people gave that to Castillo)
JMM vs Chris John :-\
Before OScar gassed? Mayweather was still ahead, and it was more Mayweather actually started throwing punches than just Oscar gassing. Mayweather had that plan in mind the whole time which IMO didn't allow him dominate the way he could have because when he was throwing punches, he was too quick for Oscar to retaliate.
Re: Marquez Does Have A Few Things In His Favor
I know we're getting of topic here, but I really believe Oscar's pride ruined his best chance at victory against both PBF and PAC.
Against PBF it looked to me like he didn't want to win with just the jab; which he actually was IMO! I believe he just didn't think it looked good to the fans.
Against PAC he made the stupid and vain decision not to rehydrate. There were a couple of brief moments in the fight where he muscled PAC into the ropes and bullied him. If he hadn't been so vain, he could have used his size more to his favor.
Not that he would've won either of those fights, but I think he was maybe his own worst enemy.
