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maybe you should try playing football, there is no way you can tackle like that if oyu weren't wearing pads, in highschool there were many dislocated shoudlers because your body can't take hitting somebody htat hard without pads, the contact PSI is about 3x as hard as an average pro heavyweight, I believe its around 3500 psi, which is as powerful as crocodile closing its mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Enough about rugby, I'm an American, I know about rugby, and it's like football the same way bareknuckle boxing is the same as today's boxing. Football IS a hardcore sport...the pads only encourage you to hit harder. The forward pass and other football plays also create higher impact collisions than rugby. If you lined up our greatest football players against your greatest rugby players and told them to play rugby or football, we'd clean your clocks....and I'm not talking about just the Greatest English Rugby Players or the Greatest Australian Rugby Players, I'm talking about THE Greatest Rugby Players regardless of what country they came from....that ought to stir the pot a bit ;D
As per the American heavyweights, I think the amateur boxing system just got a little too full of itself and got lazy when it came to recruiting talented young fighters. Not every good American heavyweight is doing something else, there are DECENT American heavyweights who didn't get the training they needed to become good, there are guys out there right now who could have been trained up into something pretty good. Our problem right now is our guys get into boxing too late or they burn out too soon.
A difference between Football and rugby is fitness. Football players are nowhere near as fit. They play for 10 seconds and have a minute break. Rugby players play for 40 minutes straight, have a 10 - 15 minute break and play another 40 minutes.
As football players stop every 10 seconds it gives them time to plan moves and for the other team to set up their defence. In rugby you need to work to get back if you are in defence. You also have to support you own team mates when they get tackled as if you don’t you’ll lose the ball.
Rugby is far superior IMO.
As for the boxing, it is probably true. There is more money to be made in football then boxing. Its only the super star boxers who make more money that football players.
PS
Jonah lomu would have been an ATG if he had played football. Look him up. 6' 6". 125 KG (20st). 100m in 10.88.
To get back to the point of the post, it may be true for the heavyweights and to a lesser extent the cruiser weights, but not true for any weight class below. There are very few players in the NFL who weigh less than 190 pounds. No one fighting at welterweight, middleweight, or super middleweight would have been big enough to play in the NFL or the NBA.
Boxing gyms are hard to come by these days in the states, with the other sports they are shoved down your throat in High School. Unless boxing runs in your family like Mayweather, Roy Jones, Berto you are very unlikely to take the sport up seriously.
Judging by the brawl between Indiana and Detroit i'd say no.
It's a good job they are not covered in teeth then they would hurt each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taethmaybe you should try playing football, there is no way you can tackle like that if oyu weren't wearing pads, in highschool there were many dislocated shoudlers because your body can't take hitting somebody htat hard without pads, the contact PSI is about 3x as hard as an average pro heavyweight, I believe its around 3500 psi, which is as powerful as crocodile closing its mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
What I never understand about these types of statements is it always seems to be exclusively America's problem... As if there aren't any other sports in the world that might be taking away from other nations' boxing?!
give me ray any day of the week and twice on sunday...no way in hell i rather take a punch from a heavy weight than a tackle from a football player...with pads on? please that's not even close...brain damage is far worse than having the wind knocked out of you. Also in the nfl they get fined for helmet to helmet hits ,so there is far less chance of a severe head injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnki rather be in a ring with Wlad than be on a field with Ray Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky Balboa
So boxing>football in terms of danger, and long term effects.
Just because you get fined for helmet to helmet hits doesn't mean they don't happen anymore.
Tell me football isn't dangerous when Troy Aikman has pads and a helmet on and gets concussion after concussion....it's not because Troy is soft either.
Boxing is dangerous but so is football.
I would love to see these hard ass rugby players try and tackle Barry Sanders or Jim Brown
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Originally Posted by Lyle
in britain american football is considered lightweight because they wear all those pads unlike rugby when your getting properly hit with no protection.
But often in rugby you get guys that are either the runners and are too short or the defensive liners who are too big.
In the NFL almost everyone other than the QB is built like a monster and designed to hit and hurt an opponent at maximum impact and indeed some of the potential heavyweight superstars of yesteryear have been lost to the sport!!
No one said football isn't dangerous, but compared to boxing it's less. When was the last time a player was "hit" by another player and killed or paralyzed? It's been a while. Not saying boxer are killed on regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Yeah troy aikman had a concussion....but he's still making money from broadcasting...I'll take that hit from lavar arrington that ended troy's career over the hits gerald mclellan, muhammed ali, meldtrick taylor, all took any day...
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherNo one said football isn't dangerous, but compared to boxing it's less. When was the last time a player was "hit" by another player and killed or paralyzed? It's been a while. Not saying boxer are killed on regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Yeah troy aikman had a concussion....but he's still making money from broadcasting...I'll take that hit from lavar arrington that ended troy's career over the hits gerald mclellan, muhammed ali, meldtrick taylor, all took any day...
boxings always been a bloodthirsty sport hence the reason it isnt seen to be watched by children/women and you dont get daytime fights.
But that in itself is pretty unique. I think lyle was talking in terms of contact sport aggression!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9RfJwSkMU8Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
....Id rather be punched than take that, Anquan Boldin had screws and plates put in his face on account of that. When was the last time that happened to a boxer???
That's not a fist coming at you that's a BODY coming at you.
I'm not saying boxing isn't dangerous, but football isn't just a "contact sport" it's a COLLISION sport
Boxing is more dangerous because you have to fight, if you're in the NFL you can be the kicker. ;D