What do you think of Catch weights?

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Now I won't criticize Pacman for fighting Oscar at 147 because you can't expect Manny to jump 3 weight classes and meet him at 154, but for the Cotto fight where it's 1 weight class and Pacman in my opinion has a good shot of beating Cotto then fight him at 147, fighting someone that's weight drain is a very cowardly move. Don't make the fight if you think you can't beat an opponent at their best with your boxing skills. The fight if made at a catchweight is a farce.

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1. Cotto can't beat PAC at 140.
2. PAC can't beat Cotto at 147.
3. Cotto can beat PAC at 143/144 and PAC can beat Cotto at 143/144.

Make the fight at a catchweight of 143/144...
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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

If PAC and Cotto will agree to fight at a catchweight of 143, do you think there could be some group who can successfully protest that this fight should not happen at that catchweight?? :confused:

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No people will just accept it like all the other crap in Boxing (like the WBA).

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Now I won't criticize Pacman for fighting Oscar at 147 because you can't expect Manny to jump 3 weight classes and meet him at 154, but for the Cotto fight where it's 1 weight class and Pacman in my opinion has a good shot of beating Cotto then fight him at 147, fighting someone that's weight drain is a very cowardly move. Don't make the fight if you think you can't beat an opponent at their best with your boxing skills. The fight if made at a catchweight is a farce.

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Superb post. Maybe I was a little overly critical of the Oscar fight before, because he at least fought he at an actual weightclass limit and to be fair to Pacquiao, I didn't give him a prayer. But even at 147 against Cotto he'd be considered the favourite. He has fought at 147 before and he put on a clinic. Why can't he do it for Cotto or Mosley?

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Now I won't criticize Pacman for fighting Oscar at 147 because you can't expect Manny to jump 3 weight classes and meet him at 154, but for the Cotto fight where it's 1 weight class and Pacman in my opinion has a good shot of beating Cotto then fight him at 147, fighting someone that's weight drain is a very cowardly move. Don't make the fight if you think you can't beat an opponent at their best with your boxing skills. The fight if made at a catchweight is a farce.

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Assumptions:

1. Cotto can't beat PAC at 140.
2. PAC can't beat Cotto at 147.
3. Cotto can beat PAC at 143/144 and PAC can beat Cotto at 143/144.

Make the fight at a catchweight of 143/144...
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After seeing the fight against Oscar and how strong Pac looked as a Welter, why couldn't he beat Cotto at 147?

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

If PAC and Cotto will agree to fight at a catchweight of 143, do you think there could be some group who can successfully protest that this fight should not happen at that catchweight?? :confused:

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No people will just accept it like all the other crap in Boxing (like the WBA).

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You're absolutely right, people will accept the fight... happy that the fight was made... buy tickets... buy PPVs... and enjoy the fight...

So what's the fuzz all about?? :confused:
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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Now I won't criticize Pacman for fighting Oscar at 147 because you can't expect Manny to jump 3 weight classes and meet him at 154, but for the Cotto fight where it's 1 weight class and Pacman in my opinion has a good shot of beating Cotto then fight him at 147, fighting someone that's weight drain is a very cowardly move. Don't make the fight if you think you can't beat an opponent at their best with your boxing skills. The fight if made at a catchweight is a farce.

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Assumptions:

1. Cotto can't beat PAC at 140.
2. PAC can't beat Cotto at 147.
3. Cotto can beat PAC at 143/144 and PAC can beat Cotto at 143/144.

Make the fight at a catchweight of 143/144...
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After seeing the fight against Oscar and how strong Pac looked as a Welter, why couldn't he beat Cotto at 147?

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That's the general assumption that PAC can't beat Cotto at 147...
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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

If PAC and Cotto will agree to fight at a catchweight of 143, do you think there could be some group who can successfully protest that this fight should not happen at that catchweight?? :confused:

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No people will just accept it like all the other crap in Boxing (like the WBA).

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You're absolutely right, people will accept the fight... happy that the fight was made... buy tickets... buy PPVs... and enjoy the fight...

So what's the fuzz all about?? :confused:
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People accept it because there is too much money involved to change things. It doesn't make it right though.

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

Assumptions:

1. Cotto can't beat PAC at 140.
2. PAC can't beat Cotto at 147.
3. Cotto can beat PAC at 143/144 and PAC can beat Cotto at 143/144.

Make the fight at a catchweight of 143/144...
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After seeing the fight against Oscar and how strong Pac looked as a Welter, why couldn't he beat Cotto at 147?

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That's the general assumption that PAC can't beat Cotto at 147...
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Who assumes that? I haven't heard that from anyone.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

No people will just accept it like all the other crap in Boxing (like the WBA).

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You're absolutely right, people will accept the fight... happy that the fight was made... buy tickets... buy PPVs... and enjoy the fight...

So what's the fuzz all about?? :confused:
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People accept it because there is too much money involved to change things. It doesn't make it right though.

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Boxing fans are happy... That's what count most... If it's not really right, somebody could successfully stop it by legal means or otherwise...
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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

After seeing the fight against Oscar and how strong Pac looked as a Welter, why couldn't he beat Cotto at 147?

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That's the general assumption that PAC can't beat Cotto at 147...
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Who assumes that? I haven't heard that from anyone.

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Really?? Try to browse more threads/postings here...

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

That's the general assumption that PAC can't beat Cotto at 147...
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Who assumes that? I haven't heard that from anyone.

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Really?? Try to browse more threads/postings here...

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Experts though? Many fans on here assumed Pacquiao couldn't beat Hatton.

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

If PAC and Cotto will agree to fight at a catchweight of 143, do you think there could be some group who can successfully protest that this fight should not happen at that catchweight?? :confused:

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No people will just accept it like all the other crap in Boxing (like the WBA).

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You're absolutely right, people will accept the fight... happy that the fight was made... buy tickets... buy PPVs... and enjoy the fight...

So what's the fuzz all about?? :confused:
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The fuzz is that an opponent is weakened. People have given Manny a lot of respect and attention for beating bigger guys like Oscar and Hatton, he can do it again or at least has a good shot of doing it again. In my opinion Manny has Superior boxing skills, hand speed, foot movement compared to Cotto, isn't that enough of an advantage? If he shows up and fights Cotto with a good game plan and great boxing skills like he did against Oscar his chances are very good against Cotto.

Manny fought Oscar at the 147 limit, why not Cotto?

People are now using the odlh fight why pac should fight cotto at 147. But they seem to ignore the fact that pac started fighting at 106.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

No people will just accept it like all the other crap in Boxing (like the WBA).

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You're absolutely right, people will accept the fight... happy that the fight was made... buy tickets... buy PPVs... and enjoy the fight...

So what's the fuzz all about?? :confused:
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The fuzz is that an opponent is weakened. People have given Manny a lot of respect and attention for beating bigger guys like Oscar and Hatton, he can do it again or at least has a good shot of doing it again. In my opinion Manny has Superior boxing skills, hand speed, foot movement compared to Cotto, isn't that enough of an advantage? If he shows up and fights Cotto with a good game plan and great boxing skills like he did against Oscar his chances are very good against Cotto.

Manny fought Oscar at the 147 limit, why not Cotto?

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Because Hoya is a 154 boxer and PAC a 135 boxer so they met in the middle of 147...

Cotto a 147 boxer and PAC a 140 boxer now so they will meet in the middle which is 143/144...
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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Who assumes that? I haven't heard that from anyone.

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Really?? Try to browse more threads/postings here...

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Experts though? Many fans on here assumed Pacquiao couldn't beat Hatton.

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We have experts here too... What can you label to those guys who said PAC will inflict the worst beating ever to Hatton??
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Originally Posted by Quinito

People are now using the odlh fight why pac should fight cotto at 147. But they seem to ignore the fact that pac started fighting at 106.

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What's your point? Roberto Duran started his career at 122, but that didnt' stop him from being a jr. middleweight and middleweight champion. Roy Jones JR. started his career at 154 and that didn't stop him from being heavyweight champion.

Stop with the excuses for catch weights. It seems like only Pac fans are defending catch weights almost everyone else disapproves of it.