Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lance Uppercut
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
kingfrnk
agree with all of it. especailly the words in bold. Cotto has taken all of the toughest fights at welter and no else has done this. i dont see how anybody cant be a fan of Cotto he takes on the toughest fights possible. im pretty sure if Paul Williams was still at 147 Cotto would be the only one who has the balls to take him on. anyways i think its pretty close but i would probably have shane 1st. but thats only because Margacheato beat Cotto (which is a questionable win now ) who was the #1 welter then Mosley beat Margacheato who was the #1 welter.
IMO shane and cotto should fight for the ring welterweight title
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.
Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.
We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.
It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.
neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...
Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...
cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.
Imageshack - margaritocotto.jpg
Imageshack - movieclipping5.jpg
That doesn't prove anything. Marga-cheato was putting plaster into his wraps i
n front of the state inspectors, and no one ever noticed. It took a streetwise Nazeem Richardson to spot the "plastered Bastard's" secrete weapon.
Of course it doesn't prove anything to someone who can't believe cotto simply got his ass whooped because of bad strategy and not some bullshit cheat tactic. Anyone that paid attention could tell after the mosley fight that cotto was going to be in trouble against Tony.
"i kept hitting him but he just kept coming so i decided to win the fight the easy way" - cotto after the mosley fight
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Because he slaughtered the guy who butchered the guy who beat him, but he did this MOST RECENTLY. My guess is Mosley is fresher than Cotto and that's why I have have him ranked higher--that and the fact I saw Margo's ghost in his fight with Clottey.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
Cotto fought the best out there. The speculation on whether or nor Margarito used handwraps in that fight will always be there.
Cotto is a warrior, he got into a ring with a guy suspected of using illegal handwraps and he got into the ring with a guy known to be a HGH user.
HGH makes you just as good as you are in your athletic prime and in many cases better than you are in your athletic prime.
Mosley used the same sort of illegal drugs that Barry Bonds used. Barry Bonds was better in his late 30s using HGH than when he was natural and in his athletic prime, the same thing also applies to Roger Clemens.
Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.
HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.
If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?
Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.
And what are you Mosley Publicist?:rolleyes:
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Maybe its on longevity.Overall view.I mean technically and maybe anally :-X,Mosley has beaten just as many Ring top 10 ranked Welters over a span of years as Cotto has recently.....but of course lost to Forrest twice there as well.Maybe its the what have you done for me lately point of view.
For me I think his last two wins were more impressive than Cottos and since Cottos close win over Mosley....Mosley has Ko'd the man in Margarito who had previously Ko'd the man...Cotto.Whatever the opinion of did he or didn't he regarding Tony,The ring has obviously not let that into its decision as they still have him ranked as well.What I know for fact is that Mosley beat Tonys azz as if he owed him money :shinner:.I do think Cotto is an improved boxer and was willing to bet all that they would have rematched by now.Love to see it
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
Cotto fought the best out there. The speculation on whether or nor Margarito used handwraps in that fight will always be there.
Cotto is a warrior, he got into a ring with a guy suspected of using illegal handwraps and he got into the ring with a guy known to be a HGH user.
HGH makes you just as good as you are in your athletic prime and in many cases better than you are in your athletic prime.
Mosley used the same sort of illegal drugs that Barry Bonds used. Barry Bonds was better in his late 30s using HGH than when he was natural and in his athletic prime, the same thing also applies to Roger Clemens.
Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.
HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.
If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?
Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.
And what are you Mosley Publicist?:rolleyes:
Mosley supposedly used them in the second fight...he clearly beat de la hoya in the first fight. What I don't understand is if the man he "used" them against believes him to be innocent of wrong doing, why are you trying to make a case against him? I don't remember Oscar demanding a fair and square rematch or going public about it..oh wait he did go public..stating that he knows mosley and believes that he wouldn't cheat. So let it go dude.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.
HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.
If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?
Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.
And what are you Mosley Publicist?:rolleyes:
Mosley supposedly used them in the second fight...he clearly beat de la hoya in the first fight. What I don't understand is if the man he "used" them against believes him to be innocent of wrong doing, why are you trying to make a case against him? I don't remember Oscar demanding a fair and square rematch or going public about it..oh wait he did go public..stating that he knows mosley and believes that he wouldn't cheat. So let it go dude.
For one thing if De La Hoya went out and didn't act or pretend to act all gracious it hurts his public image. There is a reason why he's called the "golden boy". the image the guy has to lived up to.
And it's not supposedly, Mosley admitted to a grand jury that was prosecuting the Balco Labs that he used HGH. It's not "supposedly".
Actually his bullshit excuse just like many other athletes that got caught doping was, "I didn't know what I was taking." That's the same bullshit excuse that when an athlete gets caught cheating is, "I didn't know." Same thing with Margarito using the excuse, "I didn't know my trainer did that to my wraps." Sounds familiar?
And HGH makes you stronger, faster, it increases your stamina, why do you think so many athletes use it? If Mosley is so much better than De La Hoya, why use it?
And one last thing, the guys that uses HGH are actually just as good in their late 30s or early 40s like they were in their physical prime.
It's kind of funny that a guy like Shane Mosley is just as fast, strong, durable, and has great stamina just like in his twenties. Shit we all know the reason.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lance Uppercut
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...
Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...
cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.
Imageshack - margaritocotto.jpg
Imageshack - movieclipping5.jpg
That doesn't prove anything. Marga-cheato was putting plaster into his wraps i
n front of the state inspectors, and no one ever noticed. It took a streetwise Nazeem Richardson to spot the "plastered Bastard's" secrete weapon.
Of course it doesn't prove anything to someone who can't believe cotto simply got his ass whooped because of bad strategy and not some bullshit cheat tactic. Anyone that paid attention could tell after the mosley fight that cotto was going to be in trouble against Tony.
"i kept hitting him
but he just kept coming so i decided to win the fight the easy way" - cotto after the mosley fight
Wow you have the worst excuses ever. How did anything you said prove Margarito didn't use plaster in his wraps? Those pictures proved absolutely nothign, your logic is terrible.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lance Uppercut
That doesn't prove anything. Marga-cheato was putting plaster into his wraps in front of the state inspectors, and no one ever noticed. It took a streetwise Nazeem Richardson to spot the "plastered Bastard's" secrete weapon.
Of course it doesn't prove anything to someone who can't believe cotto simply got his ass whooped because of bad strategy and not some bullshit cheat tactic. Anyone that paid attention could tell after the mosley fight that cotto was going to be in trouble against Tony.
"i kept hitting him
but he just kept coming so i decided to win the fight the easy way" - cotto after the mosley fight
Wow you have the worst excuses ever. How did anything you said prove Margarito didn't use plaster in his wraps? Those pictures proved absolutely nothign, your logic is terrible.
Uhh in the picture you can clearly see the ref holding his hand with the wrap still on it and another one with his around cotto...now if it was hard like plaster wouldn't cotto and bayless have noticed immediately?
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.
If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?
Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.
And what are you Mosley Publicist?:rolleyes:
Mosley supposedly used them in the second fight...he clearly beat de la hoya in the first fight. What I don't understand is if the man he "used" them against believes him to be innocent of wrong doing, why are you trying to make a case against him? I don't remember Oscar demanding a fair and square rematch or going public about it..oh wait he did go public..stating that he knows mosley and believes that he wouldn't cheat. So let it go dude.
For one thing if De La Hoya went out and didn't act or pretend to act all gracious it hurts his public image. There is a reason why he's called the "golden boy". the image the guy has to lived up to.
And it's not supposedly, Mosley admitted to a grand jury that was prosecuting the Balco Labs that he used HGH. It's not "supposedly".
Actually his bullshit excuse just like many other athletes that got caught doping was, "I didn't know what I was taking." That's the same bullshit excuse that when an athlete gets caught cheating is, "I didn't know." Same thing with Margarito using the excuse, "I didn't know my trainer did that to my wraps." Sounds familiar?
And HGH makes you stronger, faster, it increases your stamina, why do you think so many athletes use it? If Mosley is so much better than De La Hoya, why use it?
And one last thing, the guys that uses HGH are actually just as good in their late 30s or early 40s like they were in their physical prime.
It's kind of funny that a guy like Shane Mosley is just as fast, strong, durable, and has great stamina just like in his twenties. Shit we all know the reason.
You must've never seen mosley in his twenties? because he's no where near that fast. And he only seems to have the stamina because he doesn't move as much as he used to. He's a veteran now that basically stands and trades.
If the grand jury and athletic commission felt shane was innocent what's your point? Why keep calling him a willing cheater? Because the fight decision wasn't overturned, and neither was the margo win over cotto so you and everyone else that wants to make excuse as to why cotto got his ass sandblasted can keep reaching because isn't going to change a thing. Cotto got blasted plain and simple and after manny possibly knocks his ass out then the excuse will be something new.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Mosley supposedly used them in the second fight...he clearly beat de la hoya in the first fight. What I don't understand is if the man he "used" them against believes him to be innocent of wrong doing, why are you trying to make a case against him? I don't remember Oscar demanding a fair and square rematch or going public about it..oh wait he did go public..stating that he knows mosley and believes that he wouldn't cheat. So let it go dude.
For one thing if De La Hoya went out and didn't act or pretend to act all gracious it hurts his public image. There is a reason why he's called the "golden boy". the image the guy has to lived up to.
And it's not supposedly, Mosley admitted to a grand jury that was prosecuting the Balco Labs that he used HGH. It's not "supposedly".
Actually his bullshit excuse just like many other athletes that got caught doping was, "I didn't know what I was taking." That's the same bullshit excuse that when an athlete gets caught cheating is, "I didn't know." Same thing with Margarito using the excuse, "I didn't know my trainer did that to my wraps." Sounds familiar?
And HGH makes you stronger, faster, it increases your stamina, why do you think so many athletes use it? If Mosley is so much better than De La Hoya, why use it?
And one last thing, the guys that uses HGH are actually just as good in their late 30s or early 40s like they were in their physical prime.
It's kind of funny that a guy like Shane Mosley is just as fast, strong, durable, and has great stamina just like in his twenties. Shit we all know the reason.
You must've never seen mosley in his twenties? because he's no where near that fast. And he only seems to have the stamina because he doesn't move as much as he used to. He's a veteran now that basically stands and trades.
If the grand jury and athletic commission felt shane was innocent what's your point? Why keep calling him a willing cheater? Because the fight decision wasn't overturned, and neither was the margo win over cotto so you and everyone else that wants to make excuse as to why cotto got his ass sandblasted can keep reaching because isn't going to change a thing. Cotto got blasted plain and simple and after manny possibly knocks his ass out then the excuse will be something new.
How the hell can you be innocent from cheating when you admit to using HGH? lol Actually it's "unknowingly." If Shane Mosley is innocent than Margarito should be innocent too right? He wasn't prosecuted from the feds because he didn't lie to them like Barry Bonds. But best believe he would have been prosecuted if he lied to them.
I've watched Mosley since he beat Phillip Holiday for the lightweight title in the 90s. And it looks like he's still just as fast, strong, better than when he was in his prime. It's HGH.
In the history of boxing almost every boxer was shot or on the serious decline at Shane Mosley's age, with the exception of Hopkins, but he uses his craftiness more than anything.
In fact name me one boxer in the history of the game that was just as strong, fast, sharp, and conditioned in his late 30s as he was in his 20s?
Can you do it?
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
For one thing if De La Hoya went out and didn't act or pretend to act all gracious it hurts his public image. There is a reason why he's called the "golden boy". the image the guy has to lived up to.
And it's not supposedly, Mosley admitted to a grand jury that was prosecuting the Balco Labs that he used HGH. It's not "supposedly".
Actually his bullshit excuse just like many other athletes that got caught doping was, "I didn't know what I was taking." That's the same bullshit excuse that when an athlete gets caught cheating is, "I didn't know." Same thing with Margarito using the excuse, "I didn't know my trainer did that to my wraps." Sounds familiar?
And HGH makes you stronger, faster, it increases your stamina, why do you think so many athletes use it? If Mosley is so much better than De La Hoya, why use it?
And one last thing, the guys that uses HGH are actually just as good in their late 30s or early 40s like they were in their physical prime.
It's kind of funny that a guy like Shane Mosley is just as fast, strong, durable, and has great stamina just like in his twenties. Shit we all know the reason.
You must've never seen mosley in his twenties? because he's no where near that fast. And he only seems to have the stamina because he doesn't move as much as he used to. He's a veteran now that basically stands and trades.
If the grand jury and athletic commission felt shane was innocent what's your point? Why keep calling him a willing cheater? Because the fight decision wasn't overturned, and neither was the margo win over cotto so you and everyone else that wants to make excuse as to why cotto got his ass sandblasted can keep reaching because isn't going to change a thing. Cotto got blasted plain and simple and after manny possibly knocks his ass out then the excuse will be something new.
How the hell can you be innocent from cheating when you admit to using HGH? lol Actually it's "unknowingly." If Shane Mosley is innocent than Margarito should be innocent too right? He wasn't prosecuted from the feds because he didn't lie to them like Barry Bonds. But best believe he would have been prosecuted if he lied to them.
I've watched Mosley since he beat Phillip Holiday for the lightweight title in the 90s. And it looks like he's still just as fast, strong, better than when he was in his prime. It's HGH.
In the history of boxing almost every boxer was shot or on the serious decline at Shane Mosley's age, with the exception of Hopkins, but he uses his craftiness more than anything.
In fact name me one boxer in the history of the game that was just as strong, fast, sharp, and conditioned in his late 30s as he was in his 20s?
Can you do it?
That's what I said, he's not a "willing cheater", the conti guy spiked his water or how ever it happened. Shane didn't know so calling him a cheater is unjust. And Shane was cleared by both the feds and the state athletic commission so let that go. And reason the feds aren't involved with Margo is because he wasn't involved with Balco he was trying to use plaster AGAINST SHANE, he was suspended for his actions before his fight with SHANE. I emphasize SHANE because you can't link that fight to his others. And just because you won't accept the decisions by both NSAC and the Grand Jury regarding Shane not being a cheater for whatever reason doesn't change a thing. Like I said let it go, he was cleared twice.
In the history of the sport most fighters go up in weight because its harder or they lack motivation to maintain the prime weight. Mosley added years to his career by one,he's never taken a serious beating and two by going up 154 so early and staying there now that he's back down to 147 he looks much better by comparison to the fights at 154. But by no means is he as fast, quick, or punch out like he did when first got to WW and certainly not when he was at 135.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Wow, this has been quite a thread. I seen good points from different sides. Mosley is my favorite fighter of all time but I am not about to lie or be in denial. The truth is the trught. Mosley is not as fast or as fluid as he once was. But Mosley did take HGH so he did cheat. He never got any charges because he said it was unknowingly. Don't be fooled. Many boxers have gotten caught in the steroid era and never got charged. The feds aren't wasting their time on the users unless they lie under oath. They want the dealers. Vargas tested positive once, James Toney tested positive twice and got suspended but neither one got charges. Mosley never tested positive but he admitted he was taking HGH and maybe EPO but he said it was told to him to be supplements.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
You must've never seen mosley in his twenties? because he's no where near that fast. And he only seems to have the stamina because he doesn't move as much as he used to. He's a veteran now that basically stands and trades.
If the grand jury and athletic commission felt shane was innocent what's your point? Why keep calling him a willing cheater? Because the fight decision wasn't overturned, and neither was the margo win over cotto so you and everyone else that wants to make excuse as to why cotto got his ass sandblasted can keep reaching because isn't going to change a thing. Cotto got blasted plain and simple and after manny possibly knocks his ass out then the excuse will be something new.
How the hell can you be innocent from cheating when you admit to using HGH? lol Actually it's "unknowingly." If Shane Mosley is innocent than Margarito should be innocent too right? He wasn't prosecuted from the feds because he didn't lie to them like Barry Bonds. But best believe he would have been prosecuted if he lied to them.
I've watched Mosley since he beat Phillip Holiday for the lightweight title in the 90s. And it looks like he's still just as fast, strong, better than when he was in his prime. It's HGH.
In the history of boxing almost every boxer was shot or on the serious decline at Shane Mosley's age, with the exception of Hopkins, but he uses his craftiness more than anything.
In fact name me one boxer in the history of the game that was just as strong, fast, sharp, and conditioned in his late 30s as he was in his 20s?
Can you do it?
That's what I said, he's not a "willing cheater", the conti guy spiked his water or how ever it happened. Shane didn't know so calling him a cheater is unjust. And Shane was cleared by both the feds and the state athletic commission so let that go. And reason the feds aren't involved with Margo is because he wasn't involved with Balco he was trying to use plaster AGAINST SHANE, he was suspended for his actions before his fight with SHANE. I emphasize SHANE because you can't link that fight to his others. And just because you won't accept the decisions by both NSAC and the Grand Jury regarding Shane not being a cheater for whatever reason doesn't change a thing. Like I said let it go, he was cleared twice.
In the history of the sport most fighters go up in weight because its harder or they lack motivation to maintain the prime weight. Mosley added years to his career by one,he's never taken a serious beating and two by going up 154 so early and staying there now that he's back down to 147 he looks much better by comparison to the fights at 154. But by no means is he as fast, quick, or punch out like he did when first got to WW and certainly not when he was at 135.
Fine, I'll let that go on whether or not he knowingly used HGH even though Victor Conte told the feds that Shane Mosley knew what he was doing. But one thing that cannot be denied is that Shane Mosley had HGH in his body.
And HGH users in their late 30s had better career performances than they did when their body was in their physical prime, see guys like Bonds and Clemens as prime examples.
As for Mosley being just as good in his late 30s as late 20s I stand by my observation. He fought ODLH in 2000 for the 1st time at the age of 28, he had no problem fighting at WW in that fight and was incredibly fast, strong, and had great stamina. Fast forward to when Shane is in his late 30s, he still looks like he's still in his prime. Nothing has changed in his performances, he may have lost a few times but that was based on a poor game plan more than anything else.
Every boxer in his late 30s was either shot or in the decline, except for Hopkins who's crafty as hell but no where near what he was in his physical prime, he uses his smarts more than anything, but most fans can tell he's not as fast or have great reflexes like he once did. Not so with Shane.
Ali, Robinson, Chavez, Pryor, Tyson, Leonard, De La Hoya, all were shot or in major decline in their mid to late 30s. They were no where near as good as when they were in their prime.
Shane Mosley on the other hand defies that logic and still has the same speed, power, quick reflexes, chin today at age 37 just like at age 28 fighting DLH for the first time at Welterweight. I've watched Shane Mosley too much over his career to see that there was no major change in his physical skills, while every other boxer started to lose it after the age of 30.
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
kingfrnk
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.
Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.
We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.
It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.
agree with all of it. especailly the words in bold. Cotto has taken all of the toughest fights at welter and no else has done this. i dont see how anybody cant be a fan of Cotto he takes on the toughest fights possible. im pretty sure if Paul Williams was still at 147 Cotto would be the only one who has the balls to take him on. anyways i think its pretty close but i would probably have shane 1st. but thats only because Margacheato beat Cotto (which is a questionable win now ) who was the #1 welter then Mosley beat Margacheato who was the #1 welter.
IMO shane and cotto should fight for the ring welterweight title
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
Quote:
Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
Mosely should be ranked ahead of Cotto.
1. Margarito (plaster or not) completely broke Cotto down. In fact, it remains to be seen if he will ever recover. The bottom line is Cotto ate a bunch of leather.
2. Mosely put on a clinic against Margarito. Mosely did not get hit much at all.
3. Cotto did beat Mosely. But I wish people would go back and watch that fight. No way in hell was it a blow out and in no way did Cotto dominate. In a rematch I would def wager on Mosely.
4. Mosely has a real record that is very established. Not too many Urangos in recent time with him.
I actually don't think if you had to ask anyone who the man to beat at WW, it would really be that close of a question. Hands down, Sugar Shane is the man.
Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.
Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.
We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.
It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.
neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...
Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...
cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.
Imageshack - margaritocotto.jpg
Imageshack - movieclipping5.jpg
I know you already have your mind made up but don't be offended. Lets just be factual. The pictures you link are of Margarito hugging Cotto. How would Cotto know there is plaster in the wraps from Margarito's palms being on his back??? Second picture, the ref is holding Margarito's wrist. What does that prove??? Try to see what we are seeing about your argument. In the Cotto fight there was nothing to be suspicious of so who is even looking for plaster? Let alone feeling for it. No one in either of these pics is feeling the knuckles and the plaster would be in the wraps on the knuckle part. You do realize that your pics prove nothing now, right? Actually, its makes your argument look silly by showing those pics and then saying proof. And remember before the Mosley bout, Nazeem Richardson had to feel and pat the knuckles of Margarito's wraps to know there was something not right. Also, Margarito already had one of his hands pass the inspection and checked off by the Commission by the time Richardson even got in the Margarito locker room. So Margarito is no slouch at getting away. Those wraps obviously were not visually catchable. And one more thing my man. How could anyone else know there was plaster in Margarito's handwraps when Margarito didn't even know?http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ons/icon10.gif
Re: Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.
If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?
Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.
And what are you Mosley Publicist?:rolleyes:
Human Growth Hormone does not bring back ones prime.
It merely induces a state of growth that allows the body to grow in mass and strength.
Shane Mosley in search of bigger purses, made the jump from Lightweight to Welterweight, bypassing the 140lb duivsion.
To help him do so, Mosley sought out BALCO. A pharmecutical company which had been affiliated with the success of other athletes such as Evander Holyfield and Marion Jones.
At this time Balco were seen to be a perfectly legitimate supplementation company which also came highly advised by Mosley's strength and conditioining coach.
Mosley underwent a course of "boosters" from BALCO before the ODLH fight.
To the best of Mosley's knowledge he was being administered "revolutionary" new supplements that would help him forge a legacy in the Welterweight division.
In reality BALCO injected Shane with HGH "the cream and the clear."
Upon testing Shane strongly denied accusations and even went as far as to file defamation claims. Investigations were ongoing, Mosley vehemently denied steroid usage.
When suited with the results Shane held his hands up and admitted that these substances were indeed found.
He then filed a suit against BALCO.
Shane utilised BALCO's products to gain size, hardly a massive injustice as he would have gained very little in terms of performance other than the bulk of a man at 147.
Shane to this day is injecting supplementation, although now I believe he is more guarded and utilises primarily anti-oxidants.
