Is Manny Pacquiao Bad For Boxing?

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Originally Posted by markb018

Wasn't there a section just for Manny for people to post??

The nuthuggers and haters are both equally annoying

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:spongebob: It wasnt just a section it was a nut net!
A few nut huggers got tangled up in it. So it got rolled up and piffed overboard ;D.

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Originally Posted by markb018

Wasn't there a section just for Manny for people to post??

The nuthuggers and haters are both equally annoying

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Word.

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Originally Posted by CFH

What a ridiculous, trolling thread.

Yes, a likeable, marketable, exciting, extremely popular fighter with massive mainstream appeal to both hardcore, casual, and less than casual fans is bad for the sport.

After the Pacquiao - Hatton fight, people (and I mean almost everyone) was talking about it on a hockey forum I sometimes post on. That's how popular he is.

Edit: At worst, Pacquiao stimulates discussion amongst hardcore fans (ohhhhhhh, how terrible) and at best he draws in new fans to the sport and increases the profile of boxing in the mainstream sports world.

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Pacman is only known to the boxing world and maybe just maybe to some of the casual sports fan. Most people don't know who he is outside of those 2 demographics. He's not oscar De la hoya in terms of widespread appeal or a young 80s Tyson that people knew.

Pacman f-ucked over his mainstream popularity by bailing out on shows like the Tonight Show, Regis - Kelly, Good Morning America, etc. And he almost bailed out on the Boxing Writers Association of America for presenting him fighter of the year. The guy wants money like how he wanted it to be 60-40 in contract talks with Hatton, but sure doesn't understand how to market himself to an wider audience. More exposure=more cash, which is good for him and boxing.

It's only the boxing fans and fans of other combat sports that knows who he is. Most fans of other sports are saying who? The general publics sure doesn't know who he is.



So basically my question is this. If Manny Pacquiao is hardly known outside of the boxing world and he greatly divides the boxing fans, is he good for boxing?

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Manny "Pacman" Pacquaio has greatly divided the boxing community into different factions. Those for him and against him. Many of those fans in his camp think he's the greatest thing since slice bread. And then there are those fans that just don't like him for whatever reason.

This is a serious question because of many boxing fans have called Manny Pacquiao a pussy and coward for wanting to fight Cotto at a catchweight, which would be his first. To be fair I never considered the Oscar fight a catchweight because you can't expect someone to jump 3 weight classes from 135 to fight you when you called him out and it was at the 147 ww limit. So there are endless discussions about the Pacman for or against him in every boxing forum.

So is Manny Pacquiao bad for boxing? Would boxing be better if Manny Pacquiao never picked up the sport?

Discuss.

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you're starting to be quite transparent, just like FagBoxer

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Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION

"Is Manny bad for boxing?" Lmfao! If he is then Mayweather is 10x worse.

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neither are bad for boxing, Manny is an explosive entertaining fighter, and Mayweather is the pure essence of boxing when it comes to skill and technique, what both do in the ring is amazing in their own right, this thread is stupid

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NO need to come with personal attacks.
Dont' be pissed off because I said Roberto Duran was not a great Macho warrior that you think for saying No mas to Leonard and quitting.

I can't believe I'm really responding to this but oh well

He's either the number 1 or number 2 most well known fighter to casual fans that boxing has today. Also either the number 1 or 2 draw. Floyd being the other in both cases.

Did you watch ESPN after the Hatton fight, he was all over it unlike any fighter I've seen in a while. He's a global star, or as much one can be in what is a niche sport.

What exactly is the tangible negative result of him supposedly dividing boxing fans? Is there one?

I'm going to attempt to waterboard myself now, thanks.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

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Originally Posted by CFH

What a ridiculous, trolling thread.

Yes, a likeable, marketable, exciting, extremely popular fighter with massive mainstream appeal to both hardcore, casual, and less than casual fans is bad for the sport.

After the Pacquiao - Hatton fight, people (and I mean almost everyone) was talking about it on a hockey forum I sometimes post on. That's how popular he is.

Edit: At worst, Pacquiao stimulates discussion amongst hardcore fans (ohhhhhhh, how terrible) and at best he draws in new fans to the sport and increases the profile of boxing in the mainstream sports world.

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Pacman is only known to the boxing world and maybe just maybe to some of the casual sports fan. Most people don't know who he is outside of those 2 demographics. He's not oscar De la hoya in terms of widespread appeal or a young 80s Tyson that people knew.

Pacman f-ucked over his mainstream popularity by bailing out on shows like the Tonight Show, Regis - Kelly, Good Morning America, etc. And he almost bailed out on the Boxing Writers Association of America for presenting him fighter of the year. The guy wants money like how he wanted it to be 60-40 in contract talks with Hatton, but sure doesn't understand how to market himself to an wider audience. More exposure=more cash, which is good for him and boxing.

It's only the boxing fans and fans of other combat sports that knows who he is. Most fans of other sports are saying who? The general publics sure doesn't know who he is.



So basically my question is this. If Manny Pacquiao is hardly known outside of the boxing world and he greatly divides the boxing fans, is he good for boxing?

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ive got so much to say to this post but i really cant be assed to waste my time, i think most people will agree ur wrong, stop being stupid man, every man and is dog nos who manny pacquiao is

Pac is absolutly horrible for boxing.....he brings stupid paying fans which boxing don't need. Also if everyone in the boxing world doesn't like you, then you can't be champion. Another thing is he can't fight worth a shit, he only beats the guys put in front of him, a real good for boxing athleate would be champ in boxing, mma, and cricket. He's bad cause a fighter is a direct reflection of thier fans, they all hang around pac, advise him and everything on the net they write has to be true and has to be exactly how pac feels. They should strip pac of his belts ban him and let someone like say margarito be champ, now there's a good guy for the sport. All the pac hate is just as silly as the floyd hate. Don't like the guy...then strap on some gloves and beat him otherwise watch the sport be a fan and play your role. None of us know the guy so there is no reason to hate him. One more thing pac sucks cause he's only one race and that divides us, now if his mother was half american half irish an a little german and his dad part iranian and polish then maybe boxing could use him....other than that being involved in a sport and being named by the sport as it's pfp best aint shit......the goal of this sport isn't to win it's to, shit i don't even know anymore.

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Originally Posted by Mar

Pac is absolutly horrible for boxing.....he brings stupid paying fans which boxing don't need. Also if everyone in the boxing world doesn't like you, then you can't be champion. Another thing is he can't fight worth a shit, he only beats the guys put in front of him, a real good for boxing athleate would be champ in boxing, mma, and cricket. He's bad cause a fighter is a direct reflection of thier fans, they all hang around pac, advise him and everything on the net they write has to be true and has to be exactly how pac feels. They should strip pac of his belts ban him and let someone like say margarito be champ, now there's a good guy for the sport. All the pac hate is just as silly as the floyd hate. Don't like the guy...then strap on some gloves and beat him otherwise watch the sport be a fan and play your role. None of us know the guy so there is no reason to hate him. One more thing pac sucks cause he's only one race and that divides us, now if his mother was half american half irish an a little german and his dad part iranian and polish then maybe boxing could use him....other than that being involved in a sport and being named by the sport as it's pfp best aint shit......the goal of this sport isn't to win it's to, shit i don't even know anymore.

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:smilie_whisper: You left out political and Catholic.;D

I guess Manny won't be winning the 2009 ESPY afterall because of this thread. Lol

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Manny "Pacman" Pacquaio has greatly divided the boxing community into different factions. Those for him and against him. Many of those fans in his camp think he's the greatest thing since slice bread. And then there are those fans that just don't like him for whatever reason.

This is a serious question because of many boxing fans have called Manny Pacquiao a pussy and coward for wanting to fight Cotto at a catchweight, which would be his first. To be fair I never considered the Oscar fight a catchweight because you can't expect someone to jump 3 weight classes from 135 to fight you when you called him out and it was at the 147 ww limit. So there are endless discussions about the Pacman for or against him in every boxing forum.

So is Manny Pacquiao bad for boxing? Would boxing be better if Manny Pacquiao never picked up the sport?

Discuss.

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you're starting to be quite transparent, just like FagBoxer

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Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION

"Is Manny bad for boxing?" Lmfao! If he is then Mayweather is 10x worse.

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neither are bad for boxing, Manny is an explosive entertaining fighter, and Mayweather is the pure essence of boxing when it comes to skill and technique, what both do in the ring is amazing in their own right, this thread is stupid

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NO need to come with personal attacks.
Dont' be pissed off because I said Roberto Duran was not a great Macho warrior that you think for saying No mas to Leonard and quitting.

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personal attacks? i'm stating the truth you've already made a handful of threads all just trying to diss Manny, and if it's gotta mean something if i'm the one complaining about it seeing how it's already been noted that i'm not the biggest Pacquiao fan, i think he's overrated when it comes to his place in boxing history, and also in his standing right now, but he's definately not bad for boxing, he puts it all on the line when he fights, and aside from this catchweight nonsense and the retarded excuses he's come up with after some losses, he's been a good sportsman overall

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Manny "Pacman" Pacquaio has greatly divided the boxing community into different factions. Those for him and against him. Many of those fans in his camp think he's the greatest thing since slice bread. And then there are those fans that just don't like him for whatever reason.

This is a serious question because of many boxing fans have called Manny Pacquiao a pussy and coward for wanting to fight Cotto at a catchweight, which would be his first. To be fair I never considered the Oscar fight a catchweight because you can't expect someone to jump 3 weight classes from 135 to fight you when you called him out and it was at the 147 ww limit. So there are endless discussions about the Pacman for or against him in every boxing forum.

So is Manny Pacquiao bad for boxing? Would boxing be better if Manny Pacquiao never picked up the sport?

Discuss.

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Of course it wouldn't be better off with out manny Pacquiao, he's a nice guy with a pleasing style who likes to stay active and take big fights and he has achieved a lot. That doesn't mean that his actions can't and won't be scrutinised or criticised though and I get the feeling that this thread is a knee jerk reaction from you to that. Sort of trolling (as has been said) I guess.

Trying to make us stop and appreciate the guy for the brilliant boxer that he is isn't going to stop us from telling a few home truths when it comes to his recent business/negotiation actions I'm afraid... ;)

and yeah... ODLH was at Welterweight... not a catchweight... so he gets credit for beating him... only at Welterweight and not at his normal Light Middle. Same as if he beats Cotto at a catchweight then he just gets credit for beating him at a catchweight... not Welterweight. It really is that simple.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Manny "Pacman" Pacquaio has greatly divided the boxing community into different factions. Those for him and against him. Many of those fans in his camp think he's the greatest thing since slice bread. And then there are those fans that just don't like him for whatever reason.

This is a serious question because of many boxing fans have called Manny Pacquiao a pussy and coward for wanting to fight Cotto at a catchweight, which would be his first. To be fair I never considered the Oscar fight a catchweight because you can't expect someone to jump 3 weight classes from 135 to fight you when you called him out and it was at the 147 ww limit. So there are endless discussions about the Pacman for or against him in every boxing forum.

So is Manny Pacquiao bad for boxing? Would boxing be better if Manny Pacquiao never picked up the sport?

Discuss.

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Manny is one of the better things to take this sport by the neck in a very long time.He is very good for boxing but a percentage of his 'fans' bring all the insight & fever of a grade school girl screaming with glee at his very mention.

This divisive carrot and stick of a thread on the other hand?It feeds huggers need for warmth,widens divides already existing in those that are exhausted with them and generally narrows the view of the sport.Both camps loose.No offense brother but I just ran out of Tp and am hitting print :-X.Might be a bit scratchy but will serve a purpose :cwm13:

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Originally Posted by LEGION

Always going to be fans and haters of a fighter. I started liking Pac after the Diaz and De La Hoya fights; never disliked him but wasn't pleased JMM lost twice to him; so I'm not really a fanboy.

Personally I can't help but think he is an absolute asset to the game. When he climbs through those ropes that is one serious dude and is worth paying $$$ to watch{which is saying something} This 143 Cotto thing is f#cked tbh, but isn't it his promoter really who's trying to do this? And if Cotto and his charge take the fight just for the $$$ at a detrimental weight, then maybe they are bad for boxing. I can think of alot worse for boxing than Manny imo.

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Very much agreed on all points....

The guy is worth every dollar to see him in action, he goes all out in the ring, he is willing to fight anyone...

As for the catchweights I am not a big fan of them and wish they would not happen but as long as no title is involved and the fights are worth the price of a ticket then why not I guess...

People have to realize that Manny is a 135lb fighter that everyone is coming to him for the bouts he is not seeking them out....Why step into the lions den and allow bigger disadvantages?

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by LEGION

Always going to be fans and haters of a fighter. I started liking Pac after the Diaz and De La Hoya fights; never disliked him but wasn't pleased JMM lost twice to him; so I'm not really a fanboy.

Personally I can't help but think he is an absolute asset to the game. When he climbs through those ropes that is one serious dude and is worth paying $$$ to watch{which is saying something} This 143 Cotto thing is f#cked tbh, but isn't it his promoter really who's trying to do this? And if Cotto and his charge take the fight just for the $$$ at a detrimental weight, then maybe they are bad for boxing. I can think of alot worse for boxing than Manny imo.

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Very much agreed on all points....

The guy is worth every dollar to see him in action, he goes all out in the ring, he is willing to fight anyone...

As for the catchweights I am not a big fan of them and wish they would not happen but as long as no title is involved and the fights are worth the price of a ticket then why not I guess...

People have to realize that Manny is a 135lb fighter that everyone is coming to him for the bouts he is not seeking them out....Why step into the lions den and allow bigger disadvantages?

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cuz thats what all the greats in history have done

I didn't think Cotto had even talked about fighting Pacman prior to this?