Vitali v Haye done deal for September 12th 2009

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Good points. I agree this is the toughest opponent he has faced barring Lennox.

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What? That is ridiculous! David Haye hasn't proven anything at heavyweight other than he likes to talk. He hasn't taken a punch from a heavyweight puncher and he hasn't KO'd a fighter who has never been down/hurt/KO'd before.

I guess David Haye has A chance but it's not a very good one...Vitali has KO'd all but 1 of the fighters he has beaten, he's lost 2 times due to injury/doctor intervention (both times he was up on the cards), and other than that he hasn't had any trouble at all with any fighters. Vitali has the height, reach, power, and experience over Haye and don't think he won't use all of them.

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P4P this is easily the best fighter Vitali Klitschko has fought, except for Lennox Lewis of course. We don't know how David Haye will take a punch off a Heavyweight true. But i think in the fights we have seen he has kept all his other attributes and he's a very dangerous opponent.

Lyle i know you like the Klitschko brothers which is fine i got nothing against that, but i do think Vitali Klitschko is overrated sorry i do. People overrate him because he gave a good effort against a bad version of Lennox Lewis.

Outside of that is his career that impressive ? quitting against a very undersized Heavyweight in Chris Byrd. Makes me question his heart because many fighters have gotten through worse. Yes you will say well he showed heart against Lennox Lewis, but fighters can show heart in some fights then completely do a U-Turn in other fights, depending on the situation.

And his victories over Corrie Sanders, Samuel Peter, Kirk Johnson, ETC. Just aren't that impressive, he has a high KO record because he's fought fighters like those. Corrie Sanders don't even take boxing seriously, Samuel Peter is a plodding joke, and Kirk Johnson was an overweight whale, who didn't even train for his fight with Vitali Klitschko.

Is Vitali Klitschko a good fighter ? yes he is but i think his brother shits all over him in every department, except for the chin department. I don't really think Vitali Klitschko is that good of a boxer, he relies alot on his leaning back style and his toughness.

Haye by KO, Vitali's breaking down, its gonna happen at some point even if it doesn't happen here.

I'd like to see Haye win and would give him a chance against Wlad because of
Wlads week chin, but unless Vitali has lost his punch resistance over night
I don't give Haye much of a chance, Hayes chin is poor and unless he can
catch Vitali early, Vitali will stop him early...

ICB, I have seen any number of really strong cruiserweights come to heavyweight and look less than average, I have a feeling that David Haye is one of those guys simply because he didn't want to really test himself before getting the title shots. Sure people can say "Well the Klitschko's gave him the shot" but in all honesty he talked his way into them and he's going to get flattened.

Vitali's chin is pretty solid, I've only seen him slightly hurt by Corrie Sanders and Lennox Lewis, both guys were really big punchers at heavyweight....David Haye isn't in their league. And the only times Vitali has lost have been because of a really bad cut and a torn rotator cuff.

To beat Vitali, given what we have seen of Haye's chin, David can't afford to get hit at all...do you think this is possible? All Vitali has to do is drop 1 power punch on him, get him in danger and then the fight is over, it's just as simple as that. It's not about Vitali being overrated it's about Haye being overmatched

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Originally Posted by Lyle

To beat Vitali, given what we have seen of Haye's chin, David can't afford to get hit at all...do you think this is possible? All Vitali has to do is drop 1 power punch on him, get him in danger and then the fight is over, it's just as simple as that. It's not about Vitali being overrated it's about Haye being overmatched

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It pains me to say it but I agree with Lyle on this one. Vitali is way more difficult to beat than Wlad, the man's fucking granite!

If Lennox Lewis couldn't knock him out then how the hell will David Haye? :o:confused:

This will be Vitali's third fight in nearly 4 years. Peter stood there and acted as a punching bag and lasted 8 rounds before he quit. Gomez lasted 9 rounds before he was "tko'd" but in reality it looked to me like he gave up. Gomez also gave Vitali a few good looks during the fight, but couldn't maintain it. I think in both these fights Vitali was breathing out of his mouth by the 4th round or so.

Vitali's right hand doesn't have the powerof Wlads and his jab isn't as good.


Don't think this is going to be a shut out by Vitali by any means. Both guys get cut. the one who gets cut first and worst will probably end up as the loser.

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Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION

In the middle of first round, Haye will be thinking "how did I get myself into this? wtf was I thinking? This guy is strong". Vitali by brutal and inhumane 2nd round KO.

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Agreed. ;)

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Originally Posted by ICB

I think people are underrating David Haye a little bit, and overrating Vitali Klitschko, infact i've always thought Vitali Klitschko is a bit overrated. So he gave a good effort against an overweight/old Lennox Lewis.

Hell Ray Mercer done better against a younger Lennox Lewis, and Zeljko Mavrovic. Didn't do bad either so who else has Vitali Klitschko really beaten ? because the fact is and this is quite a sad comment, is that this could be the best opponent Vitali Klitschko has ever fought, except for Lennox Lewis.

A part time police officer and a man who takes golf more serious than boxing, AKA Corrie Sanders don't really cut it. Neither does the whale Kirk Johnson, or the mis-match fight with Danny Williams. Or quitting on a injury against Chris Byrd when many fighters have got through worse, hell Danny Williams won with a dislocated shoulder.

Im not saying David Haye will win, but i think people are far too much on the Vitali Klitschko band-wagon. Just because he gave a good effort against an overweight Lennox Lewis, outside of that who has he really beaten ? and he's so injury prone that theres no way i would 100 percent pick Vitali Klitschko.

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very good post! i always thought haye should keep away from viatli but who knows maybe it should be the other way round

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Originally Posted by Lyle

ICB, I have seen any number of really strong cruiserweights come to heavyweight and look less than average, I have a feeling that David Haye is one of those guys simply because he didn't want to really test himself before getting the title shots. Sure people can say "Well the Klitschko's gave him the shot" but in all honesty he talked his way into them

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because he was allowed to :rolleyes:. If he's flirting with Vitali and Wlad then I seriously doubt that he would have been afraid of all of the bums in the top 10. He didn't HAVE TO fight them else he probably would be... and who are the reasons he hasn't had to fight them?

Like I keep telling you calling out other fighters isn't exactly anything new... if the Kilitschos accept than that's their done deal... it' also not rare for a champion to move up straight into a title fight.

That being said although I think that Vitali was less than impressive last time out I still suspect that he will be too strong... unless he has gotten seriously old over night I can't see Haye wearing him down and I can't see him flattening the guy either... not with out getting caught.

Wlad is definetly the more vunerable of the too, somebody who fights terrifed of smaller guys than Haye was his best shot. Vitali won't be afraid to mix it up and will probably be too strong.

It seems like when god made the two of them he took Wla's chin and added onto Vitalis instead.

I always thought Haye's chance for beating a Klitschko was by fighting Wlad. Now he chooses to fight the one with the chin. Let's see if this fight even makes it. Vitali might get hurt or Haye might fake one again.

Wlad's the better Klitschko now, I think people are living in the past with Vitali. At least somebody's trying to rid the world of the curse, its like that Edmund Burke quote about evil flourishing because of the Klitchko's.

Haye is the man and will knock out the fragile one. :mad:

Haye's best chance against any of the Klitschkos was always Vladimir's somewhat suspect chin. Replace that with Vitali's considerably stronger chin, and you have a steeper uphill climb for Haye. 'Cause inactivity aside, Vitali's as heavyweight as they come. Haye had better bring his running shoes... he's gonna need them.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Wlad's the better Klitschko now, I think people are living in the past with Vitali. At least somebody's trying to rid the world of the curse, its like that Edmund Burke quote about evil flourishing because of the Klitchko's.

Haye is the man and will knock out the fragile one. :mad:

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Haye is going to get slaughtered

I say Haye has some success in the first 3 rds but Vitaly once he gets into the bout will beat him brutally, Vitaly has a real personal dislike for Haye and Vitaly has a hell of a mean streak for guys he doesnt like.

Anyone remember Sanders and Williams?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Wlad's the better Klitschko now, I think people are living in the past with Vitali. At least somebody's trying to rid the world of the curse, its like that Edmund Burke quote about evil flourishing because of the Klitchko's.

Haye is the man and will knock out the fragile one. :mad:

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Haye is going to get slaughtered

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Haha I smell a name change bet. What do you say groupie ? Haye massacres big Bitchsko.