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We're talking about How Gomez will survive Pac!!! Not Survive Diaz or hatton!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
I don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2We're talking about How Gomez will survive Pac!!! Not Survive Diaz or hatton!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
You keep on bringing up Larios, but how come Barrera, Morales and JMM weren't able to take Pacquiao out? Or Oscar De La hoya or Hatton... p4p all time Pacquiao will rank higher than Sanchez, Gomez, and Nelson. You also forget that Pacquiao is one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing at the lower weights, once he started knocking guys out, he was knocking everyone out until he went up to 126-130ish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesGomez had trouble with long rangy fighters, something Pacquiao isn't, and if Manny was wobbled by Larios, Gomez would of left him laid out on the floor, only one sided beatings Gomez took were against Sanchez (who would have killed Pac as well) and Nelson, to say that one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing would of been no challenge to Pacquiao is a joke, Gomez would of rocked Manny badly in the 2nd and had him out by the next roundQuote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2
Sorry ICB, but how is Manny one dimensional? The same way Miguel Cotto and JMM are? Pacquiao can box, brawl, fight forwards and backwards, he is getting hard to hit, he has great movement, speed, power, and a really good chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2We're talking about How Gomez will survive Pac!!! Not Survive Diaz or hatton!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
Gomez had alright movement, but you can't compare his footwork to the greats he didn't move like Leonard, Ali, Hopkins, Roy Jones, Mayweather, etc., nor did he have the great in and out movement of prime Tyson, Calzaghe, Hagler, Duran, JMM, and yes Manny pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican PunchGomez had amazing foot work, great lateral movements. Something I liked is that when he had his opponent hurt he still was attacking from angles to destroy it. Not the type of hand speed like a Floyd, but great lateral movements, not to mention his deadly body attack. This is the type of fight that could be remembered for ever due to the type of boxers they are (Gomez was). I certainly feel lot of respect for both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Also people aren't giving the 122 pound Pacquiao enough credit, he was pretty one-dimensional, but he moved up and kicked Barrera's ass with that style, and gave Morales and JMM both all they could handle in their fights. His determination, speed, and heavyhands was enough to take on anyone. I mean all three of these mexicans are all heavy handed and were naturally bigger than Manny at that point in his career, and he still withstood their power fine, while Gomez was stopped by similar levels of competition. I rank Barrera, JMM, and Morales right up there with Sanchez and JCC, and above Azumah Nelson for sure.
To say the 122-126 pound version of manny would be out of his league, is just an example of the continual disrespect he gets on here because there are other retards who think he is a god. I think Gomez beats him more often than not, before Manny learns how to really fight, but it would be a really close fight everytime, and if either of them were to dominate a fight it would be Manny.
Gomez power was good only at 122. Pac was Good from 122-147. Remember that all Pac wins at 122 were all KO also. The only guy he never Ko was the Dirty Sanchez coz the fights was stopped because of the cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2We're talking about How Gomez will survive Pac!!! Not Survive Diaz or hatton!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
Gomez was Koed a number of times when he moved up in weight. Pac gets stronger & sturdier as he move up. Pac next opponent Cotto is the Supersized version of Gomez. He'll show you in November how it's done. I'll rebadge Pac's Monicker from Mexicutioner to Boriquacutioner come Nov 14th.
Well said Taeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethGomez had alright movement, but you can't compare his footwork to the greats he didn't move like Leonard, Ali, Hopkins, Roy Jones, Mayweather, etc., nor did he have the great in and out movement of prime Tyson, Calzaghe, Hagler, Duran, JMM, and yes Manny pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican PunchGomez had amazing foot work, great lateral movements. Something I liked is that when he had his opponent hurt he still was attacking from angles to destroy it. Not the type of hand speed like a Floyd, but great lateral movements, not to mention his deadly body attack. This is the type of fight that could be remembered for ever due to the type of boxers they are (Gomez was). I certainly feel lot of respect for both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Also people aren't giving the 122 pound Pacquiao enough credit, he was pretty one-dimensional, but he moved up and kicked Barrera's ass with that style, and gave Morales and JMM both all they could handle in their fights. His determination, speed, and heavyhands was enough to take on anyone. I mean all three of these mexicans are all heavy handed and were naturally bigger than Manny at that point in his career, and he still withstood their power fine, while Gomez was stopped by similar levels of competition. I rank Barrera, JMM, and Morales right up there with Sanchez and JCC, and above Azumah Nelson for sure.
To say the 122-126 pound version of manny would be out of his league, is just an example of the continual disrespect he gets on here because there are other retards who think he is a god. I think Gomez beats him more often than not, before Manny learns how to really fight, but it would be a really close fight everytime, and if either of them were to dominate a fight it would be Manny.
This is the reason why I hate comparing boxers from different eras. You'll argue to the death and no one actually wins the debate.
If there's one good thing that comes out from this debate, it's the fact that you can distinguish people here who have solid knowledge in boxing and those who has nothing to say ( including but not limited to VD-type of posters who will immediately burst out nonsensical one-liners).
ICB made some points but then again scrutinizing his arguments would only aggravate the situation as his arguments are based on fights which he had mostly seen probably from youtube clips. No offense meant ICB but when you immediately discounted Pac's chances of winning against Gomez, it means that you haven't actually seen Pac's fights at the lower weights.
Again, I shall rest my case by not engaging in this futile what-if scenario.:cool:
See again your talking like you haven't a clue about Wilfredo Gomez, i already told you he was KO'ed by Salvador Sanchez, Azumah Nelson. Would a Featherweight version of Manny Pacquiao, beat either of those 2 ? i think not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2Gomez power was good only at 122. Pac was Good from 122-147. Remember that all Pac wins at 122 were all KO also. The only guy he never Ko was the Dirty Sanchez coz the fights was stopped because of the cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2
Gomez was Koed a number of times when he moved up in weight. Pac gets stronger & sturdier as he move up. Pac next opponent Cotto is the Supersized version of Gomez. He'll show you in November how it's done. I'll rebadge Pac's Monicker from Mexicutioner to Boriquacutioner come Nov 14th.
And i already told you the cirumstances, surronding those 2 fights, and how great they are. Yet you totally ignore my comment, and just keep stating Wilfredo Gomez was KO'ed a number of times at Featherweight.
When he was only stopped twice by arguably, two of the finest Featherweights in atleast a good 50 years or so. And the Alfredo Layne fight does not count, because he was long gone by then.
Be honest you have hardly seen any of Wilfredo Gomez fights, you really lose any credibility when you compare. Wilfredo Gomez to David Diaz, Ricky Hatton. Which is absolute ridiculous, and anyone who knows anything about Wilfredo Gomez would call you an idiot.
But i'll just say your seriously reaching, which you are because you have limited. Knowledge on Wilfredo Gomez, and again Wilfredo Gomez is nothing like Miguel Cotto either. And i don't see what he has to do with this debate either.
Wilfredo Gomez had good upper body movement. And had some very good boxing skills, along with his great power. And i don't think anyone who has watched Wilfredo Gomez, would consider him just a come-forawrd brawler. And when you state that it really leaves me with my mouth wide open.
Manny Pacquiao has never really shown, one punch KO power. Except in the Ricky Hatton fight, he has always mostly had to beat down an opponent with an accumulation of punishment to stop an opponent.
Lastly you say Wilfredo Gomez's power was only at Super Bantamweight, and you look at his record and see he had decision wins over fighters like Rocky Lockridge, but let me tell you something now fighters like Juan La Porte, Rocky Lockridge, Salvador Sanchez, Azumah Nelson, had granite chins if Wilfredo Gomez would of stopped them it of been considered a shock.
Bruce are you seriously questioning my boxing knowledge ? when i have proven in the past i have more knowledge. Than you on boxing, i've seen countless Manny Pacquiao fights. And i've seen all of his Super Bantamweight fights, and his Featherweight fights. All the way up to his last 11 fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeWell said Taeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethGomez had alright movement, but you can't compare his footwork to the greats he didn't move like Leonard, Ali, Hopkins, Roy Jones, Mayweather, etc., nor did he have the great in and out movement of prime Tyson, Calzaghe, Hagler, Duran, JMM, and yes Manny pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
Also people aren't giving the 122 pound Pacquiao enough credit, he was pretty one-dimensional, but he moved up and kicked Barrera's ass with that style, and gave Morales and JMM both all they could handle in their fights. His determination, speed, and heavyhands was enough to take on anyone. I mean all three of these mexicans are all heavy handed and were naturally bigger than Manny at that point in his career, and he still withstood their power fine, while Gomez was stopped by similar levels of competition. I rank Barrera, JMM, and Morales right up there with Sanchez and JCC, and above Azumah Nelson for sure.
To say the 122-126 pound version of manny would be out of his league, is just an example of the continual disrespect he gets on here because there are other retards who think he is a god. I think Gomez beats him more often than not, before Manny learns how to really fight, but it would be a really close fight everytime, and if either of them were to dominate a fight it would be Manny.
This is the reason why I hate comparing boxers from different eras. You'll argue to the death and no one actually wins the debate.
If there's one good thing that comes out from this debate, it's the fact that you can distinguish people here who have solid knowledge in boxing and those who has nothing to say ( including but not limited to VD-type of posters who will immediately burst out nonsensical one-liners).
ICB made some points but then again scrutinizing his arguments would only aggravate the situation as his arguments are based on fights which he had mostly seen probably from youtube clips. No offense meant ICB but when you immediately discounted Pac's chances of winning against Gomez, it means that you haven't actually seen Pac's fights at the lower weights.
Again, I shall rest my case by not engaging in this futile what-if scenario.:cool:
Its you who doesn't know much about Wilfredo Gomez, i have seen pretty much all of Wilfredo Gomez's fights at Super Bantamweight. Aswell as his fights at the higher weightclasses, i doubt you have seen many of his fights.
All i was saying is that Manny Pacquiao, was still one dimensional at the lower weightclasses. Which he was you can't honestly tell me, that Manny Pacquiao was the fighter he was at the higher weightclasses, the Manny Pacquiao of today would of destroyed the younger Manny Pacquiao P4P.
And im sorry but i don't think a one dimensional, Manny Pacquiao at Super Bantamweight, Featherweight. Would be able to handle Wilfredo Gomez's power.
We are talking about the Manny Pacquiao, at Super Bantamweight, Featherweight, here. Which is where this fight would take place. Were not on about the Manny Pacquiao of today, im not calling the Manny Pacquiao of today one dimensional.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethSorry ICB, but how is Manny one dimensional? The same way Miguel Cotto and JMM are? Pacquiao can box, brawl, fight forwards and backwards, he is getting hard to hit, he has great movement, speed, power, and a really good chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2
When Gomez moved up in weight to challenge Sanchez, et. al. he didn't demand any catchweights either or demand any other weight restrictions. He took on the challenge like a true warrior.
at super-bantam gomez is unbeatable he beats pac .but at feather and super-feather pac wins by stoppage
Ok, that makes sense, but you can't say that Manny isn't/wasn't extremely effective at 122/126 because he was, and he would have been a great opponent for Gomez. I honestly think he would also give Sanchez and Azumah Nelson all they could handle if not more, they aren't any better than Barrera and company. I think they wouldn't have the power to stop Pacquiao like Gomez would, and that would play a huge factor, but then again they could also take a lot more punishment than Gomez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWe are talking about the Manny Pacquiao, at Super Bantamweight, Featherweight, here. Which is where this fight would take place. Were not on about the Manny Pacquiao of today, im not calling the Manny Pacquiao of today one dimensional.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethSorry ICB, but how is Manny one dimensional? The same way Miguel Cotto and JMM are? Pacquiao can box, brawl, fight forwards and backwards, he is getting hard to hit, he has great movement, speed, power, and a really good chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
As for the person who said Gomez didn't ahve power above 122? Where is the proof of that? He didn't have the blinding speed to move like Pacman did which is the main reason for Manny's success at the higher weights. Nor did Gomez imo have Manny's chin. I just think Manny has adapted the right style to fight bigger guys and he properly uses his attributes. Because he uses so much movement and he has such quick feet he can avoid on coming damage against bigger slower guys that other guys like JMM who are at his level couldn't.
Manny has had one catch weight fight, he went up to face Barrera, Morales, Hatton, De La Hoya, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
The Miguel Cotto fight is the first fight he has done at a catch weight where Miguel has to lose two more pounds than usual? One more pound than his last fight?
Gomez, along with a lot of other greats, wouldn't even dreamed of acclompishing what Manny has done in terms of the success he has had at higher weights.
Gomez would convincingly beat him. Maybe even stop him. Lotta ppl forget that Gomez at 122 is one of the best boxer ever, period.