Re: GBP claiming Mayweather vs Marquez will do more than 1M PPV Buys
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Taeth
I think this just shows how uneducated the boxing public is or rather the public is of boxing. I give Marquez a way better chance than I would have Oscar or Hatton. He was able walk roughly even with PACquiao twice and the boxing fans should realize weight isn't going to be a big factor in Mayweather's favor. He isn't a real welterweight, and he's counter puncher who doesn't fight the type of fight that is dictated with size and strength.
I disagree with you on that point. Out of the three, without knowing the outcomes of the ODLH and Hatton fights, I would give ODLH the best chance of beating PBF. His size and the fact that the fight was at 154 are what influence my opinion most. When all is said and done, I believe his split decision loss to PBF as opposed to Hatton's knockout (and Marquez's knockout imo) will be the closest fight with Floyd and will validate that opinion.
Weight will be a big factor although not in the way you are describing. In terms of size, Floyd is an average welterweight - there is a reason he has fought at that weight the last three years. However, that isn't why size will play the role. Size will play a role because Marquez isn't a welterweight or a junior welterweight. At his biggest, I believe him to be a big lightweight. Recall that Juan Diaz buzzed him a couple of times and he isn't known as a big punching lightweight (less than 50% knockout percentage). I believe Floyd chose Marquez as an opponent when there were better welterweight opponents out there with bigger names because he wanted a fighter he could impose his size and strength to create a knockout. He could have fought Cotto and he could have fought Shane. Both would have much bigger fights than Marquez, but he wouldn't have knocked out either of those fighters. In those fights, Floyd would probably fight his usual counter-punching style (what sense would it make to stand toe-to-toe with Shane?), but with Marquez he can afford to fight a "rougher" fight, which will do more for him in negotiations with Pacquiao if Pacquiao wins his upcoming fight.
Re: GBP claiming Mayweather vs Marquez will do more than 1M PPV Buys
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The insult is you are expected to believe that this was a news worthy story that transcends the normal bounds of the boxing world.
Promoting is one thing and propaganda is another. If fans are genuinely not interested in watching the fight, is lying to them going to make them more interested? Maybe, If your the type that stays up all night watching infomercials buying products that don't work.
I just think it is very naive of anyone to feel insulted by this. This isn't tailored for those of us on this board, or in the know who have a handle on what is what. It is marketing, as you suggested. Aimed at bringing people to purchase the fight, and who knows, maybe even new people to the sport. Simple as. And you don't sell anything by being negative. You create hype and hopefully interest. The insult of intelligence imo is not seeing it for what it is and taking it as some kinda personal insult.
They were, umm, optimistic. oh noes.
Your application is misconstrued, boxing fans are the buyers. If I walked into a car dealership looking for a muscle car and a salesman offered me a commute car (because that is what he had) telling me it was a sports car as a buyer I'd be insulted and leave. A person doesn't have to be naive to know what they want. It's not my intention to be negative about the fight. It's just part of my character to be honest and for me it crosses the line when it's a lie. I can do with out the BS.
As for marketing, I agree and think it's a very smart idea from HBO & GBP, and I'm sure they will reach some audiences with it, including those boxing fans that jump on the band wagon. If it breaks 1M PPV's, I'm happy for boxing! If it does less than 300K, I'll be happy for Marquez and very sad for boxing because the blame will likely go to the UFC. I'll also have some pity for Mayweather if it does that poorly but only a little.
You guys are so nauseating and tiring... really now you fukwits feel insulted??? Gimme a break! Youngblood hit it right on the head... The Unretired former PFP#1 Fighter in the world vs the reigning#2 A match between 2 of the greatest tacticians ever to lace them up. One coming off a 2 year layoff the other storming up a few weight classes and surging thru previous opponents and knocking them out for the 1 time.
Seriously I dont need to watch the video, judging by the detractors insinuating they feel INSULTED is enough to tell me where your brains are.. UP YOUR ARSES!!!!!
It's a made up 'megafight'
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Re: GBP claiming Mayweather vs Marquez will do more than 1M PPV Buys
I will go with Youngblood on that one; They are trying to promote the fight so they have to say the usual routine stuff, will break records, incredibly fight, perhaps one of the best of the century and so on.
Personally, I am not insulted by it... neither am I naive enough to buy their predictions, I would say that this fight will turn more around 372 000 buys, maybe 400K if they are lucky but not more than this, not for Mayweather or Marquez.
Re: GBP claiming Mayweather vs Marquez will do more than 1M PPV Buys
I'd put the over/under at about half a million. I just can't see massive enthusiasm for this fight among the HBO subscription base.
Re: GBP claiming Mayweather vs Marquez will do more than 1M PPV Buys
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Rantcatrat
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Taeth
I think this just shows how uneducated the boxing public is or rather the public is of boxing. I give Marquez a way better chance than I would have Oscar or Hatton. He was able walk roughly even with PACquiao twice and the boxing fans should realize weight isn't going to be a big factor in Mayweather's favor. He isn't a real welterweight, and he's counter puncher who doesn't fight the type of fight that is dictated with size and strength.
I disagree with you on that point. Out of the three, without knowing the outcomes of the ODLH and Hatton fights, I would give ODLH the best chance of beating PBF. His size and the fact that the fight was at 154 are what influence my opinion most. When all is said and done, I believe his split decision loss to PBF as opposed to Hatton's knockout (and Marquez's knockout imo) will be the closest fight with Floyd and will validate that opinion.
Weight will be a big factor although not in the way you are describing. In terms of size, Floyd is an average welterweight - there is a reason he has fought at that weight the last three years. However, that isn't why size will play the role. Size will play a role because Marquez isn't a welterweight or a junior welterweight. At his biggest, I believe him to be a big lightweight. Recall that Juan Diaz buzzed him a couple of times and he isn't known as a big punching lightweight (less than 50% knockout percentage). I believe Floyd chose Marquez as an opponent when there were better welterweight opponents out there with bigger names because he wanted a fighter he could impose his size and strength to create a knockout. He could have fought Cotto and he could have fought Shane. Both would have much bigger fights than Marquez, but he wouldn't have knocked out either of those fighters. In those fights, Floyd would probably fight his usual counter-punching style (what sense would it make to stand toe-to-toe with Shane?), but with Marquez he can afford to fight a "rougher" fight, which will do more for him in negotiations with Pacquiao if Pacquiao wins his upcoming fight.
Mayweather has foughten at welterweight and higher because he was chasing De La Hoya and titles in different weight classes, there is no other reason. Had he wanted to FLoyd could still be a lightweight. People have talked about him having a hard time making 130 and 135, but Mayweather was already lifting weights and increasing his size to move up.
I honestly saw Hatton as a bigger challenge than Oscar for Mayweather because Oscar didn't look super fast against Mayorga, he looked good, but not very fast. I also thought Mayweather would have used his speed more, but he stood right there a lot more against Oscar, he could have made it an easy night, but I honestly think he was trying to knock Oscar out.
Re: GBP claiming Mayweather vs Marquez will do more than 1M PPV Buys
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JT Rock
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fan johnny
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Youngblood
I just think it is very naive of anyone to feel insulted by this. This isn't tailored for those of us on this board, or in the know who have a handle on what is what. It is marketing, as you suggested. Aimed at bringing people to purchase the fight, and who knows, maybe even new people to the sport. Simple as. And you don't sell anything by being negative. You create hype and hopefully interest. The insult of intelligence imo is not seeing it for what it is and taking it as some kinda personal insult.
They were, umm, optimistic. oh noes.
Your application is misconstrued, boxing fans are the buyers. If I walked into a car dealership looking for a muscle car and a salesman offered me a commute car (because that is what he had) telling me it was a sports car as a buyer I'd be insulted and leave. A person doesn't have to be naive to know what they want. It's not my intention to be negative about the fight. It's just part of my character to be honest and for me it crosses the line when it's a lie. I can do with out the BS.
As for marketing, I agree and think it's a very smart idea from HBO & GBP, and I'm sure they will reach some audiences with it, including those boxing fans that jump on the band wagon. If it breaks 1M PPV's, I'm happy for boxing! If it does less than 300K, I'll be happy for Marquez and very sad for boxing because the blame will likely go to the UFC. I'll also have some pity for Mayweather if it does that poorly but only a little.
You guys are so nauseating and tiring... really now you fukwits feel insulted??? Gimme a break! Youngblood hit it right on the head... The Unretired former PFP#1 Fighter in the world vs the reigning#2 A match between 2 of the greatest tacticians ever to lace them up. One coming off a 2 year layoff the other storming up a few weight classes and surging thru previous opponents and knocking them out for the 1 time.
Seriously I dont need to watch the video, judging by the detractors insinuating they feel INSULTED is enough to tell me where your brains are.. UP YOUR ARSES!!!!!
It's a made up 'megafight'
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Now that's insulting!
Might reach 500K-600K with all the hype.
Re: GBP claiming Mayweather vs Marquez will do more than 1M PPV Buys
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Taeth
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
I think this just shows how uneducated the boxing public is or rather the public is of boxing. I give Marquez a way better chance than I would have Oscar or Hatton. He was able walk roughly even with PACquiao twice and the boxing fans should realize weight isn't going to be a big factor in Mayweather's favor. He isn't a real welterweight, and he's counter puncher who doesn't fight the type of fight that is dictated with size and strength.
I disagree with you on that point. Out of the three, without knowing the outcomes of the ODLH and Hatton fights, I would give ODLH the best chance of beating PBF. His size and the fact that the fight was at 154 are what influence my opinion most. When all is said and done, I believe his split decision loss to PBF as opposed to Hatton's knockout (and Marquez's knockout imo) will be the closest fight with Floyd and will validate that opinion.
Weight will be a big factor although not in the way you are describing. In terms of size, Floyd is an average welterweight - there is a reason he has fought at that weight the last three years. However, that isn't why size will play the role. Size will play a role because Marquez isn't a welterweight or a junior welterweight. At his biggest, I believe him to be a big lightweight. Recall that Juan Diaz buzzed him a couple of times and he isn't known as a big punching lightweight (less than 50% knockout percentage). I believe Floyd chose Marquez as an opponent when there were better welterweight opponents out there with bigger names because he wanted a fighter he could impose his size and strength to create a knockout. He could have fought Cotto and he could have fought Shane. Both would have much bigger fights than Marquez, but he wouldn't have knocked out either of those fighters. In those fights, Floyd would probably fight his usual counter-punching style (what sense would it make to stand toe-to-toe with Shane?), but with Marquez he can afford to fight a "rougher" fight, which will do more for him in negotiations with Pacquiao if Pacquiao wins his upcoming fight.
Mayweather has foughten at welterweight and higher because he was chasing De La Hoya and titles in different weight classes, there is no other reason. Had he wanted to FLoyd could still be a lightweight. People have talked about him having a hard time making 130 and 135, but Mayweather was already lifting weights and increasing his size to move up.
I honestly saw Hatton as a bigger challenge than Oscar for Mayweather because Oscar didn't look super fast against Mayorga, he looked good, but not very fast. I also thought Mayweather would have used his speed more, but he stood right there a lot more against Oscar, he could have made it an easy night, but I honestly think he was trying to knock Oscar out.
yet you constantly try to say that Oscar looked great against Forbes when you're trying to blow up Pacquiao's win :rolleyes:
Re: GBP claiming Mayweather vs Marquez will do more than 1M PPV Buys
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ER-101
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JT Rock
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fan johnny
Your application is misconstrued, boxing fans are the buyers. If I walked into a car dealership looking for a muscle car and a salesman offered me a commute car (because that is what he had) telling me it was a sports car as a buyer I'd be insulted and leave. A person doesn't have to be naive to know what they want. It's not my intention to be negative about the fight. It's just part of my character to be honest and for me it crosses the line when it's a lie. I can do with out the BS.
As for marketing, I agree and think it's a very smart idea from HBO & GBP, and I'm sure they will reach some audiences with it, including those boxing fans that jump on the band wagon. If it breaks 1M PPV's, I'm happy for boxing! If it does less than 300K, I'll be happy for Marquez and very sad for boxing because the blame will likely go to the UFC. I'll also have some pity for Mayweather if it does that poorly but only a little.
You guys are so nauseating and tiring... really now you fukwits feel insulted??? Gimme a break! Youngblood hit it right on the head... The Unretired former PFP#1 Fighter in the world vs the reigning#2 A match between 2 of the greatest tacticians ever to lace them up. One coming off a 2 year layoff the other storming up a few weight classes and surging thru previous opponents and knocking them out for the 1 time.
Seriously I dont need to watch the video, judging by the detractors insinuating they feel INSULTED is enough to tell me where your brains are.. UP YOUR ARSES!!!!!
It's a made up 'megafight'
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Now that's insulting!
Might reach 500K-600K with all the hype.
Glad I could help;D
You guys act like this fight is an overpriced screwing and colossal waste of time, but yet Pac's minions and most others were happy to pony up $49.95 last year to see him smack around that tomato can David Diaz which was 10x the horseshit matchup:rolleyes:
Re: GBP claiming Mayweather vs Marquez will do more than 1M PPV Buys
Is anybody saying this shouldn't be PPV? (I didn't read the first page and a half. ) Both Floyd and Pac have had worse PPV's than this.
I wouldn't be shocked by 750. Of course I have given it like 2 seconds of thought.
Re: GBP claiming Mayweather vs Marquez will do more than 1M PPV Buys
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JT Rock
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ER-101
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JT Rock
You guys are so nauseating and tiring... really now you fukwits feel insulted??? Gimme a break! Youngblood hit it right on the head... The Unretired former PFP#1 Fighter in the world vs the reigning#2 A match between 2 of the greatest tacticians ever to lace them up. One coming off a 2 year layoff the other storming up a few weight classes and surging thru previous opponents and knocking them out for the 1 time.
Seriously I dont need to watch the video, judging by the detractors insinuating they feel INSULTED is enough to tell me where your brains are.. UP YOUR ARSES!!!!!
It's a made up 'megafight'
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Now that's insulting!
Might reach 500K-600K with all the hype.
Glad I could help;D
You guys act like this fight is an overpriced screwing and colossal waste of time, but yet Pac's minions and most others were happy to pony up $49.95 last year to see him smack around that tomato can David Diaz which was 10x the horseshit matchup:rolleyes:
It's not? :headscratch:
;)
:-*
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Diane
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JT Rock
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ER-101
Now that's insulting!
Might reach 500K-600K with all the hype.
Glad I could help;D
You guys act like this fight is an overpriced screwing and colossal waste of time, but yet Pac's minions and most others were happy to pony up $49.95 last year to see him smack around that tomato can David Diaz which was 10x the horseshit matchup:rolleyes:
It's not? :headscratch:
;)
:-*
Of course it is, we need more tough competitive PPVs like the much heralded, fan friendly Cotto-Jennings/Pavlik-Rubio double header ;);D
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JazMerkin
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Diane
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JT Rock
Glad I could help;D
You guys act like this fight is an overpriced screwing and colossal waste of time, but yet Pac's minions and most others were happy to pony up $49.95 last year to see him smack around that tomato can David Diaz which was 10x the horseshit matchup:rolleyes:
It's not? :headscratch:
;)
:-*
Of course it is, we need more tough competitive PPVs like the much heralded, fan friendly Cotto-Jennings/Pavlik-Rubio double header ;);D
I didn't pay for it, and I never said it was a good PPV card, because it wasn't PPV worthy. ;D
Anything with Mayweather is a waste of my money, and I refuse to line his pockets.
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Diane
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JazMerkin
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Diane
It's not? :headscratch:
;)
:-*
Of course it is, we need more tough competitive PPVs like the much heralded, fan friendly Cotto-Jennings/Pavlik-Rubio double header ;);D
I didn't pay for it, and I never said it was a good PPV card, because it wasn't PPV worthy. ;D
Anything with Mayweather is a waste of my money, and I refuse to line his pockets.
apparently not when he helps hold the record for most PPV buys, DLH didn't do it alone, other DLH fights that were already expected to have lots more entertainment value didn't sell as much as that fight
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ElTerribleMorales
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Diane
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JazMerkin
Of course it is, we need more tough competitive PPVs like the much heralded, fan friendly Cotto-Jennings/Pavlik-Rubio double header ;);D
I didn't pay for it, and I never said it was a good PPV card, because it wasn't PPV worthy. ;D
Anything with Mayweather is a waste of my money, and I refuse to line his pockets.
apparently not when he helps hold the record for most PPV buys, DLH didn't do it alone, other DLH fights that were already expected to have lots more entertainment value didn't sell as much as that fight
I never said that Floyd didn't bring some of the numbers in, I know he has his fans, but the truth is, before he fought Oscar or Hatton, his highest ppv number was 374,000 against Zab Judah. He did 365,000 against Gatti, and 325,000 against Baldomir, so yeah he can claim that he's part of the ppv record, but it was mostly Oscar's doing.
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Diane
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ElTerribleMorales
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Diane
I didn't pay for it, and I never said it was a good PPV card, because it wasn't PPV worthy. ;D
Anything with Mayweather is a waste of my money, and I refuse to line his pockets.
apparently not when he helps hold the record for most PPV buys, DLH didn't do it alone, other DLH fights that were already expected to have lots more entertainment value didn't sell as much as that fight
I never said that Floyd didn't bring
some of the numbers in, I know he has his fans, but the truth is, before he fought Oscar or Hatton, his highest ppv number was 374,000 against Zab Judah. He did 365,000 against Gatti, and 325,000 against Baldomir, so yeah he can claim that he's part of the ppv record, but it was mostly Oscar's doing.
i say it has to do evenly with both, Oscar just being The Golden Boy and Mayweather knowing how to sell a fight
