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Yeah but it was never mentioned until after the weigh in was it? But you already knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
The CONTRACTED weight was 147 with the stipulation that Mayweather would pay money for every pound he was over 144. So it wasn't mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Cotto is CONTRACTED to come in at 145 so he won't but if it wasn't mandatory he would.
Well if i am honest about it i would rather see a fighter come in over. Reason why is who wants to see a fight when the other guy is drained. I mean i never want to see what happen to Oscar Dela Hoya happen to anyone. Just pay the money and move on, he couldn't make the weight o well i guess. Thats half the reason i dont like catch weights, if Cotto can not make it health. Then i dont care if he comes in at a pound over, I dont care for either fighter Pac or Cotto. But i dont want to see a skelton come in like Dela Hoya did so a pound doesnt bother me that much i guess.
Yeah no one wants a replay of the Oscar fight, if he really can't make 145 in a healthy way I doubt he would have agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Yea i understand Kell not saying no one should make weight. Just if they cant make the extra pound then dont do it and pay the money needed.
Miguel came in at 146 for the Clottey weigh-in, and I have to believe that he can take that one pound off safely, otherwise I don't think he would have agreed to it.
That is also why he started training camp earlier than normal, so that he can take it off safely, and not have to drain himself the last week before the fight. He also did not allow himself to gain alot of weight after the Clottey fight, because he didn't want to have to lose a lot of weight before the fight.
Actually the contracted weight for Marquez/Mayweather was 144, the weight didn't get changed until the day of the weigh-in when it became clear that he wouldn't make weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYeah but it was never mentioned until after the weigh in was it? But you already knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThe CONTRACTED weight was 147 with the stipulation that Mayweather would pay money for every pound he was over 144. So it wasn't mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Cotto is CONTRACTED to come in at 145 so he won't but if it wasn't mandatory he would.
Here is all the details about what happened.
Mayweather disrespected Marquez, boxing - ESPN
He should and I think he will.He's a professional and respects the sport.
If a fighter cannot will not make the weight,it should not be made regardless of status and names involved.No slight of hand gimmicks.
Well said Diane. I'm sick of hearing excuses for Mayweathers weight antics. He cheated, end of story. Even his supporters should have their eyebrows more than raised by the carry on that took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent DActually the contracted weight for Marquez/Mayweather was 144, the weight didn't get changed until the day of the weigh-in when it became clear that he wouldn't make weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYeah but it was never mentioned until after the weigh in was it? But you already knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Here is all the details about what happened.
Mayweather disrespected Marquez, boxing - ESPN
As for Cotto. Well, he should make the weight like he agreed to in the contract. A fighter should have honour in what they do and making weight is an important part of that. I always look at Cotto as a no bullshit kind of guy.
Cotto has honor, and is always professional, you can't say that about Mayweather. Cotto will honor the agreed upon weight, and make the 145.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWell said Diane. I'm sick of hearing excuses for Mayweathers weight antics. He cheated, end of story. Even his supporters should have their eyebrows more than raised by the carry on that took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent DActually the contracted weight for Marquez/Mayweather was 144, the weight didn't get changed until the day of the weigh-in when it became clear that he wouldn't make weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Here is all the details about what happened.
Mayweather disrespected Marquez, boxing - ESPN
As for Cotto. Well, he should make the weight like he agreed to in the contract. A fighter should have honour in what they do and making weight is an important part of that. I always look at Cotto as a no bullshit kind of guy.
Obviously he should look at the 2 outcomes:
1) Cotto's last fight he weighed in @ 146 come in 1 lb lighter at 145 and fight
2)gain 1 lb and come in @ 147 and lose money
seems obvious to me
No. Except if he has 90% of the purse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Besides, to go back to the question as if Cotto will respect the weight, I would say: it depends of what was written in the contract and about the penalty that goes with it; if it is a ludicrous one, what is the purpose to respect the weight? too much money at stake, the fight will happen indeed and it would give him the chance to shine and to reduce the chances to get injured. If the fine is too high though, I guess that it would be a good reason to respect the weight.... if I would be Bobby Arum, you can make sure that I would negociate something horrible against Mayweather to make sure he'd respect the weight.
Where are the good ol days when Henry Armstrong won the welterweight title weighing 130some pounds and the only stipulation was that he weigh OVER a certain weight because he was the featherweight chanpion at the time.
think a couple of hundred Gs doesnt really matter to someone like floyd for not making weight where as cottos concerned he would be far more worried about how the loss of earnings would effect those around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent DCotto has honor, and is always professional, you can't say that about Mayweather. Cotto will honor the agreed upon weight, and make the 145.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWell said Diane. I'm sick of hearing excuses for Mayweathers weight antics. He cheated, end of story. Even his supporters should have their eyebrows more than raised by the carry on that took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent D
As for Cotto. Well, he should make the weight like he agreed to in the contract. A fighter should have honour in what they do and making weight is an important part of that. I always look at Cotto as a no bullshit kind of guy.
Miguels getting screwed here we can all see it, the fight was signed and agreed and now half way into training theyre trying to change the boundary ropes. Cotto will make 143,144,145 if need be but i seriously fear he`ll have to sacrifice that odd meal a day before the weigh in which could be a vital factor in how this goes. Sounds stupid i know but boxers often resort to these measures to strip 2-3pounds away in the 24hours leading up to the fight!!
I say Cotto will honor the contract. and the major word there is Honor, and that can also be accompanied by the word Respect. Cotto is a different personality altogether compared to mayweather. Mayweather has respect for the size of his head alone, where as Cotto has respect for other fighters and the sport that is boxing so will, in my mind, not pick and choose what he weighs in at and will not be calling Bob Arum the day before the fight to try and change the contracted weight agreement....
Floyd will not fight anyone his own size, it's too equal for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He wants to fight at his division and train for 147.
But only if he can fight guys comming up from jr. lightweight, lightweight, or jr WW.
That's the criteria to be p4p king..lol