Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
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Violent Demise
Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
One thing you can say about Taylor that you cannot say about many other fighters is Taylor never ducked anyone and always fought the best.......Joe didnt always fight the best.....Was Taylor a better fighter than Joe, maybe.....Taylor has better skills and power but he lacks great stamina.....
Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
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gudnite vienna
and how is that?
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Darth_Simasu
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Violent Demise
Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
NONSENSE - you're speaking out of your rear end there pal.
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miles
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Violent Demise
Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
No, he doesn't. :rolleyes:
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Violent Demise
Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks
Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
If someone comes through this group undefeated then Yes.
Likely to be Froch or Kessler.
Jermain Taylor is done, Dirrell got a shaky jaw and Andre Ward is average.(His best win is over an empty Miranda) Abraham is abit too inconsistant for me with his punch output and I think he can be outboxed.
Kessler will probably win the whole thing but then Joe's already beaten him.
Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
Nope Joe Calzaghe Is A Class On His Own And He Well And Truly Defeated Kessler In A Beautiul Fight....which He Won Easily... Joes Undeafted Status Will Go Down In History And That Is Wat Makes Him Greater Then Any Of These Wannabe Greats.....joe Was A Absolutely Brilliant Fighter And His Resume Will Remain Unmatched 50 Years From Now
Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
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Nope Joe Calzaghe Is A Class On His Own And He Well And Truly Defeated Kessler In A Beautiul Fight....which He Won Easily... Joes Undeafted Status Will Go Down In History And That Is Wat Makes Him Greater Then Any Of These Wannabe Greats.....joe Was A Absolutely Brilliant Fighter And His Resume Will Remain Unmatched 50 Years From Now
I'm sure it'll be up there with Sven Ottke's
Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
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Violent Demise
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gudnite vienna
and how is that?
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Darth_Simasu
NONSENSE - you're speaking out of your rear end there pal.
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porkypara
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Violent Demise
Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks
Yea maybe the list of names you mention on Taylor's resume are more impressive than Calzaghe's list, but considering of those names he lost to Froch, and Pavlik x 2, it doesn't really stack up. Surely you have to beat the guys on your resume to make it an impressive resume. If not its probably some journeyman with the best resume, having fought a load of big names that were on their way up.
Anyway, should Taylor go unbeaten throughout the comp, he would probably have a better resume. But definately not now.
Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
VD's right, everyone remembers how terrifying Ouma and Spinks were at middleweight. Those were great wins.
Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
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gudnite vienna
If the winner of this tournement does not get defeated in the group stages, i say yes...
Joe seemes to have missed to golden generations, now and just before his career started at SMW..
In reality yes, but on paper no. Joe beat Hokins and Jones which are both huge names for Calzaghe but they were both ancient!
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VD's right, everyone remembers how terrifying Ouma and Spinks were at middleweight. Those were great wins.
And they never accomplished the great achievement of reaching the Contender final like the great Peter Manfredo
Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
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gudnite vienna
and how is that?
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Darth_Simasu
NONSENSE - you're speaking out of your rear end there pal.
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porkypara
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Violent Demise
Jermain Taylor already has a better resume than Calzaghe
Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks
I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.
Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.
I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.
Re: does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??
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gudnite vienna
If the winner of this tournement does not get defeated in the group stages, i say yes...
Joe seemes to have missed to golden generations, now and just before his career started at SMW..
In reality yes, but on paper no. Joe beat Hokins and Jones which are both huge names for Calzaghe but they were both ancient!
Hardly call now a golden generation, it's great that they're all fighting each other but are these 6 really worthy of that tag? a few belt holders, couple undefeated novices and a guy who's what 1-3 in recent fights.
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Violent Demise
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gudnite vienna
and how is that?
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porkypara
Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.
He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.
Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks
I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.
Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.
I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.
Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler
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Violent Demise
Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks
I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.
Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.
I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.
Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler
Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.
As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.
I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.
Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.
Joe's resume is better.
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I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.
Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.
I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.
Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler
Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.
As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.
I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.
Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.
Joe's resume is better.
Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did
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Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler
Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.
As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.
I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.
Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.
Joe's resume is better.
Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did
I don't know, aside from Hopkins and Pavlik he hasn't faced anybody great.
Calzaghe beat Hopkins so they cancel each other out. Winky is certainly no better than Roy Jones, both are old and past their best of course. Of the others like Spinks and Ouma, they were joke fights really, Taylor had no business fighting them.
Pavlik was a great opponent, but comparable to Kessler, I'm not sure, maybe equal, maybe not, personally I prefer Kessler.
